BP MEDS

[willl]

probably has been done hundreds of times over but you never know if somebody on here has a bit more (updated) info on this subject.

I'd like to know which blood pressure meds you've tried and which ones worked best (and allowed optimal bbing training)

i've tried diuretics, ace inhibitors, calcium channel blockers and sartans

for me:
ace inhibitors didnt work and made me feel exhausted
calcium channel blockers (even at high doses) didn't work, less strength
diuretics work for a couple of days (reduction of BP), then stops working and it rises again
sartans work, especially the strongest of the lot, olmesartan. no sides during workout, lets me get real bloated while keeping low bp
the only side i guess is risk in fetal development disease


beta blockers i've never tried but don't they make you lazy or incapable of lifting like usual?

anything else out there?

[robcguns]

I tried lisonipril which I believe is a beta blocker and it gave me an allergic reaction in my throat and I couldn’t breathe so I decided to eat better and drop some weight and relax and it brought my bp down to normal.

[bAF1]

Carditone

[G_Thang]

Hydrochlorothiazide

[El Diablo Blanco]

Doc prescribed me Losartan and Amlodipine.  Works great. BP is always normal.

[deadz]

I tried lisonipril which I believe is a beta blocker and it gave me an allergic reaction in my throat and I couldn’t breathe so I decided to eat better and drop some weight and relax and it brought my bp down to normal.

Exactly! Op, lose some weight ya fat fuck.

[Flexacon]

Exactly! Op, lose some weight ya fat fuck.

I think OP is on the sauce, hence getting all excited about being able to get all bloated.

But wtf is this  fetal development disease about? Is OP a woman?

[willl]

i'm not at liberty to disclose but yes i'm an obese pregnant woman on the sauce  

carditone: herbal supplement
hydrochlorothiazide: diuretic
amlodipine: calcium antagonist  (have u tried losartan and amlodipine separately and have you experienced different results?)


men using sartan therapy are at risk of inducing alteration in sperm parameters, which in case of pregnancy could lead to problems during fetal development
but this is the case with so many drugs.....

[Van_Bilderass]

carditone: herbal supplement

I'm sure you know this but many bodybuilders and other users don't:  the main active ingredient in it is Rauwolfia serpentina, which contains Reserpine, also know as alpha-yohimbine IIRC. It was used as BP drug in the past, I think it was one of the first pharmaceutical BP drugs.
Many people have this weird notion that if something is "natural" or a herbal then it must be safer or better for you than synthetics. Himalaya, the makers of Liv52, have a product called Serpina and when I tried it it made me real dizzy. Point is that all effective dugs have side effects, and Carditone should be seen as a "real drug", not just as a supplement.

[Moontrane]

probably has been done hundreds of times over but you never know if somebody on here has a bit more (updated) info on this subject.

I'd like to know which blood pressure meds you've tried and which ones worked best (and allowed optimal bbing training)

i've tried diuretics, ace inhibitors, calcium channel blockers and sartans

for me:
ace inhibitors didnt work and made me feel exhausted
calcium channel blockers (even at high doses) didn't work, less strength
diuretics work for a couple of days (reduction of BP), then stops working and it rises again
sartans work, especially the strongest of the lot, olmesartan. no sides during workout, lets me get real bloated while keeping low bp
the only side i guess is risk in fetal development disease

beta blockers i've never tried but don't they make you lazy or incapable of lifting like usual?

anything else out there?

I tried lisonipril which I believe is a beta blocker and it gave me an allergic reaction in my throat and I couldn’t breathe so I decided to eat better and drop some weight and relax and it brought my bp down to normal.

Lisinopril is an ACE inhibitor not a beta blocker.

One effect of beta blockers is to limit heart rate, so it's not for you if you're an endurance athlete.
My friend's father was on one when he got a Nordic Track.  He just couldn't get a great workout.

[Van_Bilderass]

willl, I know you asked me about BP meds in another thread. I was put on beta blockers and sartans a year ago after pneumonia which landed me in the ICU for 7 weeks. My heart took a beating so now I'm on 200mg metoprolol and 32mg candesartan. I haven't gotten any real sides and training hasn't been affected negatively from the beta blockers, if anything I feel better in training. But I just powerlift, no endurance training. I maybe have cold hands sometimes. Docs said sleep can be affected negatively but I didn't really notice that.
I did get in a fight the other day and my pulse didn't increase at all lol

I read some fascinating stuff about beta blockers and memory formation as well as emotions and things like that. Different drugs can affect so many things other than what they are prescribed for.

[Moontrane]

willl, I know you asked me about BP meds in another thread. I was put on beta blockers and sartans a year ago after pneumonia which landed me in the ICU for 7 weeks. My heart took a beating so now I'm on 200mg metoprolol and 32mg candesartan. I haven't gotten any real sides and training hasn't been affected negatively from the beta blockers, if anything I feel better in training. But I just powerlift, no endurance training. I maybe have cold hands sometimes. Docs said sleep can be affected negatively but I didn't really notice that.
I did get in a fight the other day and my pulse didn't increase at all lol

I read some fascinating stuff about beta blockers and memory formation as well as emotions and things like that. Different drugs can affect so many things other than what they are prescribed for.

That's some Hannibal Lecter shit right there. 

[pellius]

I tried lisonipril which I believe is a beta blocker and it gave me an allergic reaction in my throat and I couldn’t breathe so I decided to eat better and drop some weight and relax and it brought my bp down to normal.

It's an ACE inhibitor that relaxes and opens up your veins and arteries allowing more blood flow. I don't think it would be a bad thing to take a small dose (5-10mg) just before training to help with blood flow, pumps, and keep the blood pressure low. I would sometimes get nose bleeds doing squats and leg presses back in the day when I would really push myself. My BP would skyrocket and stay that way for hours. A tab of lisinopril took care of that. Now I use Cialis for the nitrex oxide and to keep the veins and arteries dilated. My family has a history of high blood pressure but I'm still good but I keep a close watch on it.

[Van_Bilderass]

That's some Hannibal Lecter shit right there.  

It's a weird feeling when you don't get that adrenaline rush.

I had some 20 years old propranolol that I got from a doc for anxiety symptoms. It is very commonly prescribed off label for things like stage freight and public speaking. I gave some to my gf before presentations at work and she said it worked well keeping her calm, it reduces the sweating, palpitations and face flush and other symptoms of an adrenaline dump.

Regarding sartans it seems like bodybuilders favor Telmisartan. I haven't read up on it but I think it's supposed to increase nitric oxide unlike other sartans and has other benefits I forgot about. Many steroided bodybuilders are self prescribing this to protect the heart. I don't know how good of an idea this is but many are doing it. My doc favored metoprolol for me since he thought it had more data and had been in use longer.

[willl]

allright, all this is solid information for me, thanks a lot

no i didnt know anything about carditone, this is the first time i hear of it

i'm not so much into bp meds, but they are vital to reduce renal damage while on
my kidneys are absolutely perfect today, this wasn't the case when i was 24 with more gear, kidneys got enlarged back then with some damage
astonishingly, they have fully regenerated since then, just by living clean

reminds me of that FSGS article where that bber was late stage renal failure and his kidneys also regenerated completely after treatment and cleansing
strange because a lot of research articles claim low glomerular filtration rate following kidney damage cannot be reversed
kidney damage itself would be irrevirsible, but maybe this doesn't apply to everyone

[Van_Bilderass]

allright, all this is solid information for me, thanks a lot

no i didnt know anything about carditone, this is the first time i hear of it

i'm not so much into bp meds, but they are vital to reduce renal damage while on
my kidneys are absolutely perfect today, this wasn't the case when i was 24 with more gear, kidneys got enlarged back then with some damage
astonishingly, they have fully regenerated since then, just by living clean

reminds me of that FSGS article where that bber was late stage renal failure and his kidneys also regenerated completely after treatment and cleansing
strange because a lot of research articles claim low glomerular filtration rate following kidney damage cannot be reversed
kidney damage itself would be irrevirsible, but maybe this doesn't apply to everyone

A lot of bodybuilders are using Astragalus as a kidney protectant nowadays. Supposedly almost everyone sees lower creatinine and other kidney markers when on it. My creatinine was a little high a while back, and while my doc wasn't concerned, I decided to try astragalus and my values came down after a week of supplementing.
Not a lot of data but I guess it shouldn't hurt.

https://examine.com/supplements/astragalus-membranaceus/

[willl]

i wonder how astragalus works...
did you feel any changes in pains or aches (inflammation) following training?

let's say your creatinine levels are 1,6 (healthy kidneys) before taking it and after 1 week of taking astragalus they're 1,3
by itself this is a drastic change, imo one that cannot be the result of an improved kidney function
a high creatinine level in healthy kidneys isn't bad, provided BP is normal

i would think astragalus acts at the source of creatinine (and similars) production (decreasing it, perhaps with its anti-inflammatory actions) rather than improving filtration in an already healthy kidney
too much filtration is actually bad as well

it would be different if the kidneys are unhealthy, then probably it could have an anti inflammatory effect locally..

i'm guessing you could find out through a nephrologist, provided you establish a full base analysis before the astragalus experiment and completing one after a another given period using the supplement

but who cares anyways  
if it works, it works
i'll remember astragalus from now on

[harmankardon1]

It's a weird feeling when you don't get that adrenaline rush.

I had some 20 years old propranolol that I got from a doc for anxiety symptoms. It is very commonly prescribed off label for things like stage freight and public speaking. I gave some to my gf before presentations at work and she said it worked well keeping her calm, it reduces the sweating, palpitations and face flush and other symptoms of an adrenaline dump.

Regarding sartans it seems like bodybuilders favor Telmisartan. I haven't read up on it but I think it's supposed to increase nitric oxide unlike other sartans and has other benefits I forgot about. Many steroided bodybuilders are self prescribing this to protect the heart. I don't know how good of an idea this is but many are doing it. My doc favored metoprolol for me since he thought it had more data and had been in use longer.

Yep beta blockers make you ice man lol...

i have used them for public speaking but honestly i am considering going back on a low dose just for the calmness they give.

[Van_Bilderass]

i wonder how astragalus works...
did you feel any changes in pains or aches (inflammation) following training?

let's say your creatinine levels are 1,6 (healthy kidneys) before taking it and after 1 week of taking astragalus they're 1,3
by itself this is a drastic change, imo one that cannot be the result of an improved kidney function
a high creatinine level in healthy kidneys isn't bad, provided BP is normal

i would think astragalus acts at the source of creatinine (and similars) production (decreasing it, perhaps with its anti-inflammatory actions) rather than improving filtration in an already healthy kidney
too much filtration is actually bad as well

it would be different if the kidneys are unhealthy, then probably it could have an anti inflammatory effect locally..

i'm guessing you could find out through a nephrologist, provided you establish a full base analysis before the astragalus experiment and completing one after a another given period using the supplement

but who cares anyways  
if it works, it works
i'll remember astragalus from now on

I wondered about the mechanism as well. I kind of doubt a regenerative effect too, but who knows. Maybe my creatinine coming down was a fluke but many others report the same.

I only took one bottle and didn't feel it in any way. Guys on forums are taking like 4-8 grams, I did less than 2 grams.

[sync pulse]

Get checked for sleep apnea/excessive snoring.
My pressure dropped like a stone when I was fitted with a CPAP...

[willl]

 Maybe my creatinine coming down was a fluke but many others report the same.

I only took one bottle and didn't feel it in any way. Guys on forums are taking like 4-8 grams, I did less than 2 grams.

from how much to how much creatinine and over what period?

mine was 1,1 in 2003 (low musculature) and steadily rose to 1.7 ( clinically hypermuscular lol) over the years
mine will ONLY drop after considerable muscle loss (during muscle loss it's still high..ofcourse)
blood test egfr (etc) simulations are a total fluke for us bbers
24hr urine analysis (along with blood test in same period) is a good marker for real clearance rate

[willl]

Get checked for sleep apnea/excessive snoring.
My pressure dropped like a stone when I was fitted with a CPAP...

how are u coping with the facial grooves induced by that device?
 

[mazrim]

Telmisartan gets a ton of pub on bbing boards as Pellius posted.

[mazrim]

Hydrochlorothiazide

How is your glucose/insulin resistance with that? Aren't those diuretics known for increasing insulin resistance?

[sync pulse]

how are u coping with the facial grooves induced by that device?
 

I don't have such a problem.  I use a "nasal pillows" head set.  I just feel the pressure lightly holding the air passages open.

The first night was bliss.