Why Is BIG RAMY Apologizing To ANYONE?????

[SAMSON123]

Ramy can't hold Markus Ruhl's posing trunks!

Why would he want to?

[pellius]

More pics.

Morgan Aste probably had the freakiest conditioning on stage. This is another case of a certain genetic look to the skin, not just leanness or perfect loading protocols, though he probably is leaner than everyone else. This kind of physique can actually hold some subcucatenous water and still look crazy conditioned.

Kucklo looks worn out and watery to me but many thought he looked crazy good.

Maxx Charles everyone thought was in insane shape. But from the back is he more conditioned than Ramy or was it more like people didn't expect as much from him?

Johnnie - now he was just plain fat, should never have competed.

Guys, let me know what you think. Am I full of shit in my analysis? My bottom line is that Ramy has much higher expectations than most others. Guys who were in worse shape were praised for their insane conditioning. People jump on a bandwagon of saying Ramy can't come in in shape but it's not based on objective analysis.

One other thing. Ramy and Bonac had the "healthiest" looking muscle in the show. It doesn't look worn out, it looks "young" and healthy, even if Ramy has used plenty of site enhancement. Ramy hasn't yet hit that spot where he has started to obviously go backwards. Bonac is just on the cusp of that starting to happen, you can tell the quads are starting to downsize.

You nailed it as usual. The expectations for Ramy is off the charts. He is always looked at with a negative and overly critical eye. I think it's because he was so hyped after the New York pro (remember when Morel just shook his head and walked away from Ramy during the pose down). I disagree that Ramy is using site enhancements on his quads. Why on earth would he do that when the only criticizism regarding his quads are that they are too big?

I think Ramy won the show. He has better lines than Bonac and no one had that type of abs at that size. Bonac is way more blockier and wider in the waist than Ramy and also is on the narrow side. People criticize Ramy's calves but again they just grade him but much higher standards than anybody else. His calves are way better than both Bonac and Dex. Ramy has the same problem Jay had with his lower back. OK, so he's not perfect. But still better than Dex by far and Bonac.

Sure size isn't everything, but it should count for something. Ramy is so big that it's just the new normal for him and seems to be disregarded. Bonac disappears when he stand next to Ramy.

[pellius]

"Big Ramy" is what he is, an attraction and nothing more. He lacks the structure and foundation to go further. He is clueless which is sad, I doubt anyone close to him will tell him the truth. In the back of his.mind though he knows the question is will he bow out gracefully or slide down the ranks.

What is wrong with his structure? Wide shoulders, flaring quads, making his waist look small, the tightest abs of anyone at the weight. Certainly tighter than Bonac who is very blocky and has narrow clavicles.

[Methyl m1ke]

What is wrong with his structure? Wide shoulders, flaring quads, making his waist look small, the tightest abs of anyone at the weight. Certainly tighter than Bonac who is very blocky and has narrow clavicles.

He has trex arms dude look at his fls in fact look at most of his shots and its super obvious and a glaring flaw.

He could actually possibly maybe win the olympia but i dont think he can take his foot off the gas pedal anymore. He is on too much shit to prep correctly and hes afraid he will deflate without 7 grams of test a week (long ester probably adds prop contest time.)

But *IF* lets say hypothetically IF Ramy wanted to actually win the Mr. Olympia he needs to diet down further and drop his doses weeks out so he can dry out properly and in the off season he needs to stop giving a fuck what he weighs and look in the damn mirror and start trying to get some balance to his physique. Calves are small so reduce quad size, arms are short so reduce overall size until they look like theyre not. Back lacks depth....i dont have an answer for that BUT i am confident if he says hes going to compete in dorian esque shape the depth and detail in his back will explode.

Hes probably sitting on a killer once in a lifetime physique but bodybuilding is complicated and like i said once your foot is on the gas its hard toslow down. BUT RAMY OUTWEIGHS HIS NEAREATST COMPETITORS BY LIKE 60 FUCKING POUNDS so in my opinion if he cant figure out all the things i just mentioned and actually address them and one day retires without a sandow i would say thats a real tragedy. Right now hes just a sideshow another dillet ruhl etc. But he could be so much more.

[Methyl m1ke]

Also I hate to say this but Ramy lacks foundation. Hes part of the new gen of bodybuilding where guys juice and megadose way too early on. 90s guys were soooo much better because back in (my) day we lifted for years because we loved it. Steroids werent supposed to be used until you maxed out your potential at least 5-6 years or more training 110% and hard heavy basic consistent training. It used to be gym pass and whey protein now its steroids or guys wont even go theyll sit at home.

If you look at Heath yes later in his career he switched 5o mostly machines which was actually the correct play. His foundation he built in the beginning, he has muscle mass he will not lose until he gets old. I dont think ramy has this foundation and he knows it. Without all the gear he probably shrinks but thats ok because he is still 60 pounds bigger than most.

I think his best bet is to stop being the biggest and become the BEST guy onstage and he will be rewarded I guarantee (almost) it.

[pellius]

He has trex arms dude look at his fls in fact look at most of his shots and its super obvious and a glaring flaw.

He could actually possibly maybe win the olympia but i dont think he can take his foot off the gas pedal anymore. He is on too much shit to prep correctly and hes afraid he will deflate without 7 grams of test a week (long ester probably adds prop contest time.)

But *IF* lets say hypothetically IF Ramy wanted to actually win the Mr. Olympia he needs to diet down further and drop his doses weeks out so he can dry out properly and in the off season he needs to stop giving a fuck what he weighs and look in the damn mirror and start trying to get some balance to his physique. Calves are small so reduce quad size, arms are short so reduce overall size until they look like theyre not. Back lacks depth....i dont have an answer for that BUT i am confident if he says hes going to compete in dorian esque shape the depth and detail in his back will explode.

Hes probably sitting on a killer once in a lifetime physique but bodybuilding is complicated and like i said once your foot is on the gas its hard toslow down. BUT RAMY OUTWEIGHS HIS NEAREATST COMPETITORS BY LIKE 60 FUCKING POUNDS so in my opinion if he cant figure out all the things i just mentioned and actually address them and one day retires without a sandow i would say thats a real tragedy. Right now hes just a sideshow another dillet ruhl etc. But he could be so much more.

T-Rex arms that is super obvious and a glaring flaw? Why has no one ever mentioned this before except you if it is that obvious? I certainly don't see it. Look at the picture of him standing relax next to Dexter. His arms hang just below his hips just like Dexter. Notice when Bonac does that standing straight up most muscular his chest disappears like Health does because of his narrow clavicles. Bonac has more structural flaws than Ramy does.

[Van_Bilderass]

Also I hate to say this but Ramy lacks foundation. Hes part of the new gen of bodybuilding where guys juice and megadose way too early on. 90s guys were soooo much better because back in (my) day we lifted for years because we loved it. Steroids werent supposed to be used until you maxed out your potential at least 5-6 years or more training 110% and hard heavy basic consistent training. It used to be gym pass and whey protein now its steroids or guys wont even go theyll sit at home.

I've said this before many times, but this "natural foundation" is largely is myth. All the past bodybuilding great juiced up as young teens - pretty much from the moment they started training. Arnold started at 13 or 15, depending on who you believe, Shawn Ray, Flex Wheeler, Cutler, Dorian, Gaspari, Haney, Levrone, Lee Priest - all early juicers. It is a myth that the champs built natural foundations. Fuck, Levrone, that liar, claimed he didn't even know how to lift weights at the time he turned pro, actually claimed he only knew 6 exercises total, and knew even less about diet which was hot dogs and chocolate milk. So even if exaggerated it means he juiced his ass up before knowing how to lift and eat 

[pellius]

Also I hate to say this but Ramy lacks foundation. Hes part of the new gen of bodybuilding where guys juice and megadose way too early on. 90s guys were soooo much better because back in (my) day we lifted for years because we loved it. Steroids werent supposed to be used until you maxed out your potential at least 5-6 years or more training 110% and hard heavy basic consistent training. It used to be gym pass and whey protein now its steroids or guys wont even go theyll sit at home.

If you look at Heath yes later in his career he switched 5o mostly machines which was actually the correct play. His foundation he built in the beginning, he has muscle mass he will not lose until he gets old. I dont think ramy has this foundation and he knows it. Without all the gear he probably shrinks but thats ok because he is still 60 pounds bigger than most.

I think his best bet is to stop being the biggest and become the BEST guy onstage and he will be rewarded I guarantee (almost) it.

Never understood this "foundation" thing. Arnold and Jay started juicing while in their teens.

[AbrahamG]

You nailed it as usual. The expectations for Ramy is off the charts. He is always looked at with a negative and overly critical eye. I think it's because he was so hyped after the New York pro (remember when Morel just shook his head and walked away from Ramy during the pose down). I disagree that Ramy is using site enhancements on his quads. Why on earth would he do that when the only criticizism regarding his quads are that they are too big?

I think Ramy won the show. He has better lines than Bonac and no one had that type of abs at that size. Bonac is way more blockier and wider in the waist than Ramy and also is on the narrow side. People criticize Ramy's calves but again they just grade him but much higher standards than anybody else. His calves are way better than both Bonac and Dex. Ramy has the same problem Jay had with his lower back. OK, so he's not perfect. But still better than Dex by far and Bonac.

Sure size isn't everything, but it should count for something. Ramy is so big that it's just the new normal for him and seems to be disregarded. Bonac disappears when he stand next to Ramy.

I agree that Ramy is judged to harshly.  Not quite sure why.  This particular contest I did think he was off at pre-judging.  His lower back is usually tighter than it was with out the skin roll.  Still, his skin roll was less than Jay Cutlers and it never seemed to count against him.  I think the night show, Ramy probably was the best on stage.  I'd have no problem if he had won but I also am not outraged at 2nd or 3rd. 

[pellius]

I agree that Ramy is judged to harshly.  Not quite sure why.  This particular contest I did think he was off at pre-judging.  His lower back is usually tighter than it was with out the skin roll.  Still, his skin roll was less than Jay Cutlers and it never seemed to count against him.  I think the night show, Ramy probably was the best on stage.  I'd have no problem if he had won but I also am not outraged at 2nd or 3rd. 

I really think it was all the hype when he first arrived on the scene and the impression he made at the New York pro. Now everyone has a new standard just for him. He has to be perfect. When people look at him they are just looking for flaws or something that they think is not perfect. No one talks about Dexter's calves or Ronnies calves, Ramy has better calves than both of them. Sure he doesn't have Dorian's back and his lower back isn't as shredded as some of the others but neither was Jay's. They call him blocky although he has the widest shoulders of anyone on stage and the most flaring thighs giving him a classic "V" shape and making his waist look narrow. Few, at any weight, certainly not Bonac, have such pronounced cube-shaped abs that align perfectly with no bubble gut. Bonac and Dex had glaring flaws but those are ignored. Bonac, having narrow shoulders and being so short has that classic blocky look.

And already people are dismissing him. Saying he's finished. Nobody said that about Rhoden who was is not only older than Ramy but not nearly as impressive yet he won the O.

[Methyl m1ke]

I've said this before many times, but this "natural foundation" is largely is myth. All the past bodybuilding great juiced up as young teens - pretty much from the moment they started training. Arnold started at 13 or 15, depending on who you believe, Shawn Ray, Flex Wheeler, Cutler, Dorian, Gaspari, Haney, Levrone, Lee Priest - all early juicers. It is a myth that the champs built natural foundations. Fuck, Levrone, that liar, claimed he didn't even know how to lift weights at the time he turned pro, actually claimed he only knew 6 exercises total, and knew even less about diet which was hot dogs and chocolate milk. So even if exaggerated it means he juiced his ass up before knowing how to lift and eat 

You have no clue when the bodybuilders mentioned started using gear vs atarted lifting. What you are so vehemently stating as fact is pure conjecture. And you misinterpreted what i said in the first place. So go back and read my post and when you realize the point I was making delete this post and avoid further embarassment.

[Methyl m1ke]

Never understood this "foundation" thing. Arnold and Jay started juicing while in their teens.

Foundation does not imply steroid use (which should be obvious.) All the greats spent time in the trenches lifting heavy doing the basics. Eventually they had enough muscle to benefit more from machines but this was after their foundations had been built IE the muscle mass that you never really lose and have the rest of your life.

[Ropo]

You nailed it as usual. The expectations for Ramy is off the charts. He is always looked at with a negative and overly critical eye. I think it's because he was so hyped after the New York pro (remember when Morel just shook his head and walked away from Ramy during the pose down). I disagree that Ramy is using site enhancements on his quads. Why on earth would he do that when the only criticizism regarding his quads are that they are too big?

I think Ramy won the show. He has better lines than Bonac and no one had that type of abs at that size. Bonac is way more blockier and wider in the waist than Ramy and also is on the narrow side. People criticize Ramy's calves but again they just grade him but much higher standards than anybody else. His calves are way better than both Bonac and Dex. Ramy has the same problem Jay had with his lower back. OK, so he's not perfect. But still better than Dex by far and Bonac.

Sure size isn't everything, but it should count for something. Ramy is so big that it's just the new normal for him and seems to be disregarded. Bonac disappears when he stand next to Ramy.

Let see..the IFBB judging criterias are :

    Mass
    Definition
    Proportion
    Symmetry
    Stage Presence

So by the pictures, Ramy loses 4 and win 1 category.  He has mass, yes, but no style at all, symmetry is just as good as those others, no better. His proportions are crap, and his definition is clearly worst to these three. He is smooth, no cuts at all, he has enormous legs and shoulders, but nothing more, so if he would come to the competition as dry as Andreas Munzer, he would still lose by those other points. This is how those judges do their ruling 

[harmankardon1]

I don't know what you guys don't get? Maybe you are not following the shows last years and have missed the direction that judging has taken....

The judging emphasis is on conditioning and detail over mass. Ramy is not detailed here, it's that simple, based on the criteria he got a deserved 3rd.

[mazrim]

You nailed it as usual. The expectations for Ramy is off the charts. He is always looked at with a negative and overly critical eye. I think it's because he was so hyped after the New York pro (remember when Morel just shook his head and walked away from Ramy during the pose down). I disagree that Ramy is using site enhancements on his quads. Why on earth would he do that when the only criticizism regarding his quads are that they are too big?

I think Ramy won the show. He has better lines than Bonac and no one had that type of abs at that size. Bonac is way more blockier and wider in the waist than Ramy and also is on the narrow side. People criticize Ramy's calves but again they just grade him but much higher standards than anybody else. His calves are way better than both Bonac and Dex. Ramy has the same problem Jay had with his lower back. OK, so he's not perfect. But still better than Dex by far and Bonac.

Sure size isn't everything, but it should count for something. Ramy is so big that it's just the new normal for him and seems to be disregarded. Bonac disappears when he stand next to Ramy.

Agree.

To me Bonac has one of the worst physiques of the "top guys" and is very overrated. Much like Roelly, they just have ugly physiques and gigantic guts that they really struggle to hold in.

[Van_Bilderass]

Foundation does not imply steroid use (which should be obvious.) All the greats spent time in the trenches lifting heavy doing the basics. Eventually they had enough muscle to benefit more from machines but this was after their foundations had been built IE the muscle mass that you never really lose and have the rest of your life.

You have no clue when the bodybuilders mentioned started using gear vs atarted lifting. What you are so vehemently stating as fact is pure conjecture. And you misinterpreted what i said in the first place. So go back and read my post and when you realize the point I was making delete this post and avoid further embarassment.

The fact of the matter is that most of these champions started competing in their teens and or started competing shortly after starting lifting. If you start competing at say 18 like Wheeler (on Anavar) or 13 like Priest, where is the 5-6 year period of heavy ass lifting for foundation? Dorian lifted a little in jail at 19 but upon his release he joined a gym at 21 and competed, by his own words on drugs, a year later. If you measure "foundation" by what they retain after getting off the gear then none of these guys have any "foundation" to speak of. I love free weights myself but to say the muscle built via free weights is somehow different than machine built muscle is obviously just romantic crap.

The oldtimers didn't necessarily train harder "in the trenches" either. Most of them were weak as fuck compared to today's crop. Remember that scene in Pumping Iron where Arnold and Corney squat? There are multiple natural teen GIRLS who lift more today.

[Van_Bilderass]

I don't know what you guys don't get? Maybe you are not following the shows last years and have missed the direction that judging has taken....

The judging emphasis is on conditioning and detail over mass. Ramy is not detailed here, it's that simple, based on the criteria he got a deserved 3rd.

I don't really think they consciously decide to favor mass over cuts or vice versa. Like the fans, they take multiple factors into account and just "know" which bb is better on that day. Ramy could easily have won on this day and then people would be thinking the judges are favoring mass "again". But I don't think it's like that, it's a combo of factors, otherwise it wouldn't be a mix of small and big guys at the top. If judges didn't favor mass now, why not put Ramy in 10th place?

[harmankardon1]

I don't really think they consciously decide to favor mass over cuts or vice versa. Like the fans, they take multiple factors into account and just "know" which bb is better on that day. Ramy could easily have won on this day and then people would be thinking the judges are favoring mass "again". But I don't think it's like that, it's a combo of factors, otherwise it wouldn't be a mix of small and big guys at the top. If judges didn't favor mass now, why not put Ramy in 10th place?

Of course it's a combination of factors, but since the Phil years there is an emphasis on detail and condition....

There is a consistency to this trend for years now, the days of a glazed donut jay cutler winning the O are long over. They want detail, Ramy is not bringing it.

[Ropo]

The fact of the matter is that most of these champions started competing in their teens and or started competing shortly after starting lifting. If you start competing at say 18 like Wheeler (on Anavar) or 13 like Priest, where is the 5-6 year period of heavy ass lifting for foundation? Dorian lifted a little in jail at 19 but upon his release he joined a gym at 21 and competed, by his own words on drugs, a year later. If you measure "foundation" by what they retain after getting off the gear then none of these guys have any "foundation" to speak of. I love free weights myself but to say the muscle built via free weights is somehow different than machine built muscle is obviously just romantic crap.

The oldtimers didn't necessarily train harder "in the trenches" either. Most of them were weak as fuck compared to today's crop. Remember that scene in Pumping Iron where Arnold and Corney squat? There are multiple natural teen GIRLS who lift more today.

So what? What anything has do with the fact that they were or were not strong as modern bodybuilders? In bodybuilding it isn't about the strength, it is all about how lifting make your muscles grow, and to do that you don't need enormous weights. Those oldtimers know much more about stimulating muscles, while these modern bodybuilders know more about shortcuts and chemicals. So what? So that's why those oldtimers had far more aesthetic appearance, while these modern day mass monster are like sack of random bodyparts put together. Legs from the horse, middle section from the pregnant lady etc..

[Methyl m1ke]

Tyranassaurus Ramy is smooth because if he tries lowering his test dose he will vanish. His muscles are fake thats really all there is to it. And LOL at the blind clown who cant look a couple posts back at the pic (for example) of ramy standing relaxed next to dexter with a full 4-5 inches more height yet both their arms are essentially the same length. That pic alone should be enuf but if its not get better glasses.

[Methyl m1ke]

There is no "trend" favoring any one thing or another ffs ramy received a gift purely by his name and his size. He is not known for anything other than weighing more than most and i can ya'll one thing Bonac really deserved first Dex really deserved 2nd they are polished and sporting QUALITY muscle. Ramy looks like a bag of smashed assholes in comparison. Hes finished his whole apology was basically to get a few more seconds in peoples minds so when he tearfully announces his retirement people will still want to pay for his autographs and possibly buy his next generation meal replacement powder and creatine with revolutionary muscle targeting nano bots and shit.

[harmankardon1]

There is no "trend" favoring any one thing or another ffs ramy received a gift purely by his name and his size. He is not known for anything other than weighing more than most and i can ya'll one thing Bonac really deserved first Dex really deserved 2nd they are polished and sporting QUALITY muscle. Ramy looks like a bag of smashed assholes in comparison. Hes finished his whole apology was basically to get a few more seconds in peoples minds so when he tearfully announces his retirement people will still want to pay for his autographs and possibly buy his next generation meal replacement powder and creatine with revolutionary muscle targeting nano bots and shit.

I agree the placings at this contest were all good.

[Van_Bilderass]

So what? What anything has do with the fact that they were or were not strong as modern bodybuilders? In bodybuilding it isn't about the strength, it is all about how lifting make your muscles grow, and to do that you don't need enormous weights. Those oldtimers know much more about stimulating muscles, while these modern bodybuilders know more about shortcuts and chemicals. So what? So that's why those oldtimers had far more aesthetic appearance, while these modern day mass monster are like sack of random bodyparts put together. Legs from the horse, middle section from the pregnant lady etc..

I mentioned "heavy" because the guy I responed talked about building a foundation with heavy lifting. The term heavy means so many different things to different people that it's almost meaningless without lots of qualifications. Heavy means lifting so heavy you have to cheat to one guy, to another it simply means low reps and then there are those pros who say "I lift heavy as shit but do tons of reps too" LMAO, that makes no sense whatsoever. But let's say "heavy" simply means hard training in general and that you are putting intensity and effort to the thing. Yes, having a good foundation and good work ethic is important, chemicals or no chemical. However, it's silly the way some oldtimers cry about lack of foundation and no intensity in the new crop of guys. Meanwhile they started juicing at 14-15 years old and then at their peak were squatting maybe 315 for 20 and todays supposed lazy ass kids are banging out sets of 20 with 500lbs still in their teens.
Today's children wannabees are food prepping and counting macros, studying the drugs... I mean that should signal that they are serious, but the response from the oldtimers is to scoff at these new antics. Then they start talking about how kids nowadays are taking things too serious. Back in the day Rich Gaspari was thought a maniac for weighing his spaghetti - nowadays that's something you simply do, nothing to brag about.

So you see how the conversation becomes ridiculous when different generations clash.

The older generation does NOT know more about "stimulating the muscle". They believed a ton of ridiculous things. Like high incline benches would give you split pec line like Franco, or doing concentration curls like Arnold would give you his bicep peaks, absolutely moronic stuff.
Along with the idea of sculpting your body like an artist in the gym, when even someone with half a brain understands body shape/muscle belly shape/separations between muscle, detail and striation, and basic prportions and symmetry has almost nothing to do with training. And no, a 10lbs dumbell will not grow your bicep as much as a 40lbs dumbell, everything else being equal. But you had these oldtimers bragging about their mind-muscle connection, and how they could grow just as well squatting a broomstick because of their superior mind-muscle connection made them so efficient lmao.  

[njflex]

I mentioned "heavy" because the guy I responed talked about building a foundation with heavy lifting. The term heavy means so many different things to different people that it's almost meaningless without lots of qualifications. Heavy means lifting so heavy you have to cheat to one guy, to another it simply means low reps and then there are those pros who say "I lift heavy as shit but do tons of reps too" LMAO, that makes no sense whatsoever. But let's say "heavy" simply means hard training in general and that you are putting intensity and effort to the thing. Yes, having a good foundation and good work ethic is important, chemicals or no chemical. However, it's silly the way some oldtimers cry about lack of foundation and no intensity in the new crop of guys. Meanwhile they started juicing at 14-15 years old and then at their peak were squatting maybe 315 for 20 and todays supposed lazy ass kids are banging out sets of 20 with 500lbs still in their teens.
Today's children wannabees are food prepping and counting macros, studying the drugs... I mean that should signal that they are serious, but the response from the oldtimers is to scoff at these new antics. Then they start talking about how kids nowadays are taking things too serious. Back in the day Rich Gaspari was thought a maniac for weighing his spaghetti - nowadays that's something you simply do, nothing to brag about.

So you see how the conversation becomes ridiculous when different generations clash.

The older generation does NOT know more about "stimulating the muscle". They believed a ton of ridiculous things. Like high incline benches would give you split pec line like Franco, or doing concentration curls like Arnold would give you his bicep peaks, absolutely moronic stuff.
Along with the idea of sculpting your body like an artist in the gym, when even someone with half a brain understands body shape/muscle belly shape/separations between muscle, detail and striation, and basic prportions and symmetry has almost nothing to do with training. And no, a 10lbs dumbell will not grow your bicep as much as a 40lbs dumbell, everything else being equal. But you had these oldtimers bragging about their mind-muscle connection, and how they could grow just as well squatting a broomstick because of their superior mind-muscle connection made them so efficient lmao.  

[oldschoolfan]

Are you sure about that , Mike ?

ramys ass has gotten bigger