Coronavirus - Some Facts and Daily Statistics - taking it seriously

[Al Doggity]

jeez, talking about splitting hairs, once you start adding decimal points then statistically yes, its less than zero

if you had 100 sheets of A4 paper and someone asked you to bring them 0.0001% of them, how many sheets of paper would you take to them?

I'm literally cringing.

[joswift]

I'd take them a slither of paper that had the area of 0.06237cm2

so no A4 sheet of paper...

Thank you

[Flexacon]

so no A4 sheet of paper...

Thank you

It's still more than zero 

[Al Doggity]

so no A4 sheet of paper...

Thank you

But...
imagine you have 1 million sheets of paper. And someone asks you to bring them  1 sheet. What percentage of the total paper are they asking you for?

[joswift]

But...
imagine you have 1 million sheets of paper. And someone asks you to bring them  1 sheet. What percentage of the total paper are they asking you for?

0.000001%

the fact remains
if you have a 0% chance of dying then technically you wont die, thats true, but % are % by the governments own figures if you are under 60 you have a less than 0% chance of dying its actually 0.6% which is less that 0%, thats my point

the total mass of something is 100% if you take away all that mass you are left with 0%

You cant be left with half a % of it

[Flexacon]

0.000001%

the fact remains
if you have a 0% chance of dying then technically you wont die, thats true, but % are % by the governments own figures if you are under 60 you have a less than 0% chance of dying its actually 0.6% which is less that 0%, thats my point

 

Sub 90 club for Jo

[Flexacon]

the total mass of something is 100% if you take away all that mass you are left with 0%

You cant be left with half a % of it

Sub 85 club for Jo

[joswift]

Sub 90 club for Jo

sorry
too many zeros
0.001
if you have a 0% chance of dying then technically you wont die, thats true, but % are % by the governments own figures if you are under 60 you have a less than 0% chance of dying its actually 0.6% which is less that 0%, thats my point

[joswift]

Sub 85 club for Jo

Really, you have an apple, you have 100% of that apple, I eat the apple, what % of the apple do you now have?

[Flexacon]

sorry
too many zeros
0.001
if you have a 0% chance of dying then technically you wont die, thats true, but % are % by the governments own figures if you are under 60 you have a less than 0% chance of dying its actually 0.6% which is less that 0%, thats my point

Sub 80

[Flexacon]

Really, you have an apple, you have 100% of that apple, I eat the apple, what % of the apple do you now have?

That's like saying you base the percentage chance of a covid death on one person. They either die or they dont, so it's either a 100% chance of dying or 0.

It's still not less than zero though 

[joswift]

That's like saying you base the percentage chance of a covid death on one person. They either die or they dont, so it's either a 100% chance of dying or 0.

It's still not less than zero though 

and this is why % dont work in these instances, 100% is the maximum, and 0% is the minimum

its insane to say you can have half a % just as its insane to say 110%

[Flexacon]

and this is why % dont work in these instances, 100% is the maximum, and 0% is the minimum

its insane to say you can have half a % just as its insane to say 110%

They work great if you understand them.

[joswift]

They work great if you understand them.

Show me 110% of an apple ..

[Flexacon]

Show me 110% of an apple ..

It's one whole apple plus 10% of another.

[joswift]

It's one whole apple plus 10% of another.

no, you cant have more than one whole apple, its like digging half a hole..

[Flexacon]

no, you cant have more than one whole apple, its like digging half a hole..

So not only do you not understand percentages, but you also apply your own arbitrary rules to them.

I'm actually in awe of your stupidity right now.

[joswift]

So not only do you not understand percentages, but you also apply your own arbitrary rules to them.

I'm actually in awe of your stupidity right now.

Im not the one trying to add more than one apple to try and prove a point


If it takes you an hour to dig a hole how long does it take to dig 50% of a hole?

[Flexacon]

Im not the one trying to add more than one apple to try and prove a point


If it takes you an hour to dig a hole how long does it take to dig 50% of a hole?

You tell me. You seem to be the expert in digging holes. You've basically dug yourself into a marianas trench in this thread.

[Al Doggity]

0.000001%

the fact remains
if you have a 0% chance of dying then technically you wont die, thats true, but % are % by the governments own figures if you are under 60 you have a less than 0% chance of dying its actually 0.6% which is less that 0%, thats my point

the total mass of something is 100% if you take away all that mass you are left with 0%

You cant be left with half a % of it

Yes, you can. It happens all the time.

[Al Doggity]

I'm actually in awe of your stupidity right now.

This could become a legendary thread.

[joswift]

Yes, you can. It happens all the time.

really, so I have 100% of an apple, I eat it all, how much percentage wise do I have of the apple left?

Regardless of what it is, if all of it is gone, then you cannot have a percentage of it left.

[Al Doggity]

really, so I have 100% of an apple, I eat it all, how much percentage wise do I have of the apple left?

Regardless of what it is, if all of it is gone, then you cannot have a percentage of it left.

If you have $100,  and spend $95.50, what percentage do you you have remaining?

Or forget that one- If you have $100 and spend $17.25, what percentage do you have remaining of that?

That's right! In both cases the remaining amount contains a fraction of a percentage.

Do you understand that we almost never use percentages to discuss values that are perfectly divided into a hundred parts. Most of the time, you are going to need to use fractional percentages to be accurate. And a fraction of a percentage point is not less than zero, basically zero or even statistically zero in a lot of cases.

[joswift]

If you have $100,  and spend $95.50, what percentage do you you have remaining?

Or forget that one- If you have $100 and spend $17.25, what percentage do you have remaining of that?

That's right! In both cases the remaining amount contains a fraction of a percentage.

Do you understand that we almost never use percentages to discuss values that are perfectly divided into a hundred parts. Most of the time, you are going to need to use fractional percentages to be accurate. And a fraction of a percentage point is not less than zero, basically zero or even statistically zero in a lot of cases.

Yes, I do understand that, but that still doesnt address the question I asked.

[Al Doggity]

Yes, I do understand that, but that still doesnt address the question I asked.

Please clarify the question.

eta is it the apple question?

Well, let's take a look at that . You buy an apple that weighs 80 grams.  You eat as much of the apple as you can. The apple has seeds, a core and a stem. So, you eat 100% of what you're able to eat.  But the core, the stem, the seeds are still there. You ate the whole apple, so does that mean there was no waste? Absolutely nothing remained? Or, somehow, less than nothing remained?

In your home, do you leave apple cores lying around the living room because they mathematically don't count as garbage?