Coronavirus - vs the Flu - Flu kills a lot more people - why the hysteria?

[harmankardon1]

1,321 people died as a result of seasonal influenza.... TODAY

So far this year 103 834 deaths from flu.... That's 103 834 dead so far THIS YEAR, ....

Coronavirus 8246 dead since late November, has the world gone insane? Even with exponential growth (which has not happened continually anywhere.. didn't in China, South Korea and hasnt even continued in Italy!) it fails to come close.

We are in the midst of a great crazy moment, international fear and hysteria... Out of control. The cost in mental health alone from this will greatly outstrip any disease effects in the end.

[dan18]

1,321 people died as a result of seasonal influenza.... TODAY

So far this year 103 834 deaths from flu.... That's 103 834 dead so far THIS YEAR, ....

Coronavirus 8246 dead since late November, has the world gone insane? Even with exponential growth (which has not happened continually anywhere.. didn't in China, South Korea and hasnt even continued in Italy!) it fails to come close.

We are in the midst of a great crazy moment, international fear and hysteria... Out of control. The cost in mental health alone from this will greatly outstrip any disease effects in the end.

Agreed  and i spoke on this already its a new virus and it spreads very fast so everyone panics,but closing businesses is not the answer.I can understand large gatherings but dint mess with peoples livelihood.

[dan18]

817 people died as a result of coronavirus.... TODAY

and its increasing day by day,

And it people with pre existing respiratory issues and heart issues older people are at high risk

[Thin Lizzy]

And it people with pre existing respiratory issues and heart issues older people are at high risk

1st death in NYC:



First coronavirus-related death confirmed in New York State
By Bernadette Hogan
March 14, 2020 | 10:25am

https://nypost.com/2020/03/14/first-coronavirus-related-death-confirmed-in-new-york-state/amp


ALBANY — Coronavirus has claimed its first life in New York.
A woman with underlying respiratory issues died in Wyckoff Heights Medical Center in Brooklyn, Gov. Cuomo announced this morning.
“We had last night a death in a New York City hospital of an 82-year-old woman who had coronavirus. She came into the hospital on March 3,” he said. “She contracted the coronavirus on top of emphysema, then she passed.”

[pamith]

Guys, please pray for me today

[dan18]

1st death in NYC:



First coronavirus-related death confirmed in New York State
By Bernadette Hogan
March 14, 2020 | 10:25am

https://nypost.com/2020/03/14/first-coronavirus-related-death-confirmed-in-new-york-state/amp


ALBANY — Coronavirus has claimed its first life in New York.
A woman with underlying respiratory issues died in Wyckoff Heights Medical Center in Brooklyn, Gov. Cuomo announced this morning.
“We had last night a death in a New York City hospital of an 82-year-old woman who had coronavirus. She came into the hospital on March 3,” he said. “She contracted the coronavirus on top of emphysema, then she passed.”

82 years old

[Thin Lizzy]

82 years old

Considering that she probably had been smoking since she was a teenager, 82 is a pretty damn good number.

Moreover, how much socializing could an 82-year-old with emphysema do? Makes you wonder how she got it in the first place.

[harmankardon1]

817 people died as a result of coronavirus.... TODAY

and its increasing day by day,

thats right... Whats your point? Respiratory viruses kill a small percentage of those affected, this is normal and happens every minute of every day, which is why I post the flu stats.

You are scared due to the hysteria, even if the deaths outstrip the flu it doesn't change anything.

The point is we have a flu like virus that is moving through the population. It is fatal in some elderly patients with preexisting health conditions.... This is a normal state, hysteria has been caused by the media and government response and is way overblown.

Even the mortality rate has been grossly over exaggerated, were looking at less than 1% as places enact more widespread testing, when all is said and done, less than 0.5% is likely.

[bigkid]

1,321 people died as a result of seasonal influenza.... TODAY

So far this year 103 834 deaths from flu.... That's 103 834 dead so far THIS YEAR, ....

Coronavirus 8246 dead since late November, has the world gone insane? Even with exponential growth (which has not happened continually anywhere.. didn't in China, South Korea and hasnt even continued in Italy!) it fails to come close.

We are in the midst of a great crazy moment, international fear and hysteria... Out of control. The cost in mental health alone from this will greatly outstrip any disease effects in the end.

Think about how many kids die from the flu also.  None from Corona.  A kid a day is dying in the US from the flu.  We should shutdown all schools and businesses forever so as to not have another parent bury another child.

[harmankardon1]

The point is that if the trend continues the coronavirus deaths per day will totally eclipse the flu deaths if the virus is allowed to run rampant. And all the infected who develop into a serious/critical condition will need to go to hospital to use ventilators etc to survive, will overload the hospitals causing further deaths to people who have other conditions and can't be treated because lack of beds and doctors.

They are overreacting to try and keep the load on the hospital system down to keep the death rate down. Governments have experts on these matters to advise them.

Then generally we agree. ^ some action should be taken, but what is happening should be put into context, something the media is not even attempting to do.

This is not an unusual state we find ourselves in, other than it is a new virus from a very familiar family of viruses.

Your last comment is naive, people in gov and their advisors are understandably very worried about this, to the point that no one can be seen to under act, so what happens? everyone overacts so they don't drop the ball... This isn't necessarily a good thing, especially economically speaking.

[dan18]

 

[robcguns]

Hahahahhaha

That made my day.

[Ropo]

1,321 people died as a result of seasonal influenza.... TODAY

So far this year 103 834 deaths from flu.... That's 103 834 dead so far THIS YEAR, ....

Coronavirus 8246 dead since late November, has the world gone insane? Even with exponential growth (which has not happened continually anywhere.. didn't in China, South Korea and hasnt even continued in Italy!) it fails to come close.

We are in the midst of a great crazy moment, international fear and hysteria... Out of control. The cost in mental health alone from this will greatly outstrip any disease effects in the end.

You guys don't seem to get it? Let me explain: You add those 103834 deaths by common flu with those who are dying by this covid-19, which has just about started, so you get fking ridiculous amount of deaths. Problem is that we have vaccines and medicines, instructions for action and treatment for common flu, but for covid -19 we don't have a shit. It kills +3,6 %  of patients, while common flu kills 0.2% , so it is by far more deadly virus..

And after you wrote that, there has been 869 deaths more, number is now 9115, and tomorrow even larger. People are still dying by common flu AND by this virus, up to the point they find a vaccine and get it in use all over the world. This will take time from months to years, so this hysteria will be among us quite some time..

[nzgs]

You guys don't seem to get it? Let me explain: You add those 103834 deaths by common flu with those who are dying by this covid-19, which has just about started, so you get fking ridiculous amount of deaths. Problem is that we have vaccines and medicines, instructions for action and treatment for common flu, but for covid -19 we don't have a shit. It kills +3,6 %  of patients, while common flu kills 0.2% , so it is by far more deadly virus..

And after you wrote that, there has been 869 deaths more, number is now 9115, and tomorrow even larger. People are still dying by common flu AND by this virus, up to the point they find a vaccine and get it in use all over the world. This will take time from months to years, so this hysteria will be among us quite some time..

Mortality rate is 0.1% in Germany where more people are tested than just the very sick and elderly. Likely lower than 0.1%. The virus is at its peak in China, Iran and Italy and is killing nowhere near the amounts of common flu, or the H1N1 pandemic of 2009, for which there was no panic whatsoever.

It's amazing the ability of "journalists" to manufacture an economic crisis in the run in to a presidential election and Brexit. What a coincidence. Do you remember journalists getting caught faking pictures of empty shelves? Wake up.

[fredrollon]

We are in the midst of a great crazy moment, international fear and hysteria... Out of control. The cost in mental health alone from this will greatly outstrip any disease effects in the end.

China will overtake the US as the worlds biggest economy in the next ten years. Perhaps , the US desperately wants move its manufacturing and supply chains from China to other countries. And crashing and resetting the world economy gives its companies the opportunity of a clean break and  time to do that.

Also, medical life extension treatments are coming online in the next few decades that initially might be available only for the elite. Maybe they also want to shift the public psychology , perception and attitudes to old age. People living in the 80's and 90's will no longer seen as living out their final years.

[Voice of Doom]

The question ultimately is do you trust gov authorities.  How do we really know what the death rate is?  Or the infection rate?  Governments first job is to retain control.  A panicking population puts that at risk.  Governments also have to deal with adversarial governments that would love a chance to take advantage on the international stage.  So authorities can't look weak or communicate uncomfortable truths.

Combine that with general human incompetence, record debt levels, politically divided populations and here...we...go...

[Ropo]

Mortality rate is 0.1% in Germany where more people are tested than just the very sick and elderly. Likely lower than 0.1%. The virus is at its peak in China, Iran and Italy and is killing nowhere near the amounts of common flu, or the H1N1 pandemic of 2009, for which there was no panic whatsoever.

It's amazing the ability of "journalists" to manufacture an economic crisis in the run in to a presidential election and Brexit. What a coincidence. Do you remember journalists getting caught faking pictures of empty shelves? Wake up.

Mortality rate by facts, by existing cases is different thing than estimated mortality rate. By the figures up to these days, mortality rate is more like 3-6% than 0.1. Exact numbers we get after this circus is over, because situation is changing day after day..

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/laninf/article/PIIS1473-3099(20)30195-X/fulltext

[DooM_]

You guys don't seem to get it? Let me explain: You add those 103834 deaths by common flu with those who are dying by this covid-19, which has just about started, so you get fking ridiculous amount of deaths. Problem is that we have vaccines and medicines, instructions for action and treatment for common flu, but for covid -19 we don't have a shit. It kills +3,6 %  of patients, while common flu kills 0.2% , so it is by far more deadly virus..

And after you wrote that, there has been 869 deaths more, number is now 9115, and tomorrow even larger. People are still dying by common flu AND by this virus, up to the point they find a vaccine and get it in use all over the world. This will take time from months to years, so this hysteria will be among us quite some time..

doesn't look like measures are helping anyway , so people will die and the world economy will be wrecked too   ,  could be part of the  ' regular '  flu in the future . . .

[Stanly]

[Hypertrophy]

817 people died as a result of coronavirus.... TODAY

and its increasing day by day,

Every new virus grows exponentially at its onset, followed by a plateau and then a decline. This was proven in the 1854 Cholera outbreak in England. Don't be a retard.

[Al Doggity]

I started a thread about this, unfortunately one of the mods merged it with another thread, so now no one will see it. I'll repost here:



I believe the covid-19 precautions are being massively overhyped, but I also think the "it's just the flu" brigade is inaccurate as well. I haven't seen a succinct description as to why  it shouldn't be treated like the flu (even though it's possibly here, there's a lot of threads. I had to get in on the action.)

1)One of the biggest differences between the flu and covid-19 is the suspected incubation period. The flu incubates for approx 3 days. Covid-19 can incubate for up to 14 days which theoretically means there's an exponentially greater chance to spread the virus to more people. Even h1n1 only had an average incubation period of 4 days (7 on the high end.)

2)Covid-19 was just introduced to humans, so we don't have any natural or assisted immunity. covid and flu are constantly compared, but flu death and hospitalization numbers are pretty bad and would be worse if it weren't for flu vaccines and some people's acquired immunity. The immunity doesn't just keep people from getting sick it also decreases transmission.
No immunity + long incubation period= possible recipe for disaster.

3)This virus could easily mutateCovid-19 appears to disproportionately affect older people. For some people that's a reason to take it less seriously. If that's where you're coming from, then you have to be aware that this virus could easily mutate. H1N1 mutates every flu season and several of the derivative strains are more aggressive and more easily transmitted than the original version. There are reportedly already 2 strains of covid19 (though neither is believed to be a mutation), and it is not unheard of for a viral strain to mutate several times over the course of one season.


I do think a lot of what's going on is over the top, but the real worry of covid-19 is a specific combination of things that could potentially be really bad. It all sounds manageable and maybe even minor on an individual level, but combined, it COULD be castastrophic.

[Dave D]

I started a thread about this, unfortunately one of the mods merged it with another thread, so now no one will see it. I'll repost here:



I believe the covid-19 precautions are being massively overhyped, but I also think the "it's just the flu" brigade is inaccurate as well. I haven't seen a succinct description as to why  it shouldn't be treated like the flu (even though it's possibly here, there's a lot of threads. I had to get in on the action.)

1)One of the biggest differences between the flu and covid-19 is the suspected incubation period. The flu incubates for approx 3 days. Covid-19 can incubate for up to 14 days which theoretically means there's an exponentially greater chance to spread the virus to more people. Even h1n1 only had an average incubation period of 4 days (7 on the high end.)

2)Covid-19 was just introduced to humans, so we don't have any natural or assisted immunity. covid and flu are constantly compared, but flu death and hospitalization numbers are pretty bad and would be worse if it weren't for flu vaccines and some people's acquired immunity. The immunity doesn't just keep people from getting sick it also decreases transmission.
No immunity + long incubation period= possible recipe for disaster.

3)This virus could easily mutateCovid-19 appears to disproportionately affect older people. For some people that's a reason to take it less seriously. If that's where you're coming from, then you have to be aware that this virus could easily mutate. H1N1 mutates every flu season and several of the derivative strains are more aggressive and more easily transmitted than the original version. There are reportedly already 2 strains of covid19 (though neither is believed to be a mutation), and it is not unheard of for a viral strain to mutate several times over the course of one season.


I do think a lot of what's going on is over the top, but the real worry of covid-19 is a specific combination of things that could potentially be really bad. It all sounds manageable and maybe even minor on an individual level, but combined, it COULD be castastrophic.

It has gone castastrophic.  But it had nothing to do with actual infection. And this lockdown has overwhelmed hospitals and medical staff, which it was designed not to do.

[Ropo]

You guys don't seem to get it? Let me explain: You add those 103834 deaths by common flu with those who are dying by this covid-19, which has just about started, so you get fking ridiculous amount of deaths. Problem is that we have vaccines and medicines, instructions for action and treatment for common flu, but for covid -19 we don't have a shit. It kills +3,6 %  of patients, while common flu kills 0.2% , so it is by far more deadly virus..

And after you wrote that, there has been 869 deaths more, number is now 9115, and tomorrow even larger. People are still dying by common flu AND by this virus, up to the point they find a vaccine and get it in use all over the world. This will take time from months to years, so this hysteria will be among us quite some time..

And after I wrote that, number is 10755, so there has been 1640 new covid-19 cases in the US during these few hours. You guys want to overtake China on this list? At the end of this month you will be at least 3rd on the list of the most covid-19 infected countries..

[Primemuscle]

And after I wrote that, number is 10755, so there has been 1640 new covid-19 cases in the US during these few hours. You guys want to overtake China on this list? At the end of this month you will be at least 3th on the list of the most covid-19 infected countries..

3th?

[Dave D]

And after I wrote that, number is 10755, so there has been 1640 new covid-19 cases in the US during these few hours. You guys want to overtake China on this list? At the end of this month you will be at least 3th on the list of the most covid-19 infected countries..

Ropo there are approximately 60 million baby boomers in the US. What precautions have we taken to prepare for their inevitable demise (pre Coronavirus)? 

Within the next 40 years it’s safe to assume nearly all of these boomers will DEAD! The numbers will eventually be a 100% death rate. 20% of the current population gone in a generation....

How many baby boomers will have to die before Generation X realizes they are next?