Coronavirus - vs the Flu - Flu kills a lot more people - why the hysteria?

[Primemuscle]

Ropo there are approximately 60 million baby boomers in the US. What precautions have we taken to prepare for their inevitable demise (pre Coronavirus)? 

Within the next 40 years it’s safe to assume nearly all of these boomers will DEAD! The numbers will eventually be a 100% death rate. 20% of the current population gone in a generation....

How many baby boomers will have to die before Generation X realizes they are next?

Every generation is next...sooner or later. Get in line babies.

[Al Doggity]

It has gone castastrophic.  But it had nothing to do with actual infection. And this lockdown has overwhelmed hospitals and medical staff, which it was designed not to do.

No, right now we are in a state of inconvenience. Some hospitals are strained, but they are managing. Death toll is reasonable, infection rate is easily trackable.

[The Scott]

The Snowflake Generation is waiting for the Great Convergence so that they can be joined with a Commodore 64 and live forever.  'n' sheit.

[Dave D]

No, right now we are in a state of inconvenience. Some hospitals are strained, but they are managing. Death toll is reasonable, infection rate is easily trackable.

No I was talking about the economy.

[Al Doggity]

No I was talking about the economy.

I got that you were making references to the economy, but you also specifically said that medical resources are being strained (which I don't think is accurate) and that the goal was to prevent that from happening (which I think is debatable.)

The economy is taking a hit, but  I wouldn't call it catastrophic, not in comparison to what looked to be happening. I don't know how to embed a tweet here, but this is a link to video that shows how fox news covered covid on march 9 and march 13th. The went from describing it as a flu that the left was politicizing to a brewing health and economic crisis.

https://twitter.com/thefix/status/1240041548672380931?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1240041548672380931&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fdigg.com%2F2020%2Ffox-news-coronavirus-coverage


So, the 9th is after the first big interest rate reduction from the fed and the 13th is before it was slashed to 0, so those don't entirely explain the change in tone. So what else was going on during this period?  Apparently there was a huge bond sell off  over this period. US Bonds are considered the safest, most stable asset in the world and aren't usually affected like that by market downturns. I think that's what was behind fox and trump's about face and why things suddenly ramped up in that period.

[Al Doggity]

As for before that? I think it comes down to a few basic things. People love to get invested in "mystery viruses". Just search the history on this site. There were multiple ebola threads that went on for 10, 20 pages. I don't think the interest is something that media has to drive.

IMO, the thing that really turned this whole thing nuclear is the fact that China tried to keep it secret. That managed to do two things. First, is that it made people way more curious and way more hysterical (and a lot of people would have been that way anyway). But much more importantly, it massively obscured data on a virus we knew virtually nothing about. All these weeks later, it's fine to say it only affects old people barely clinging to life, but the death that blew this story wide open was the 34 year old doctor who was trying to get information about this virus out to the world.

[Ropo]

As for before that? I think it comes down to a few basic things. People love to get invested in "mystery viruses". Just search the history on this site. There were multiple ebola threads that went on for 10, 20 pages. I don't think the interest is something that media has to drive.

IMO, the thing that really turned this whole thing nuclear is the fact that China tried to keep it secret. That managed to do two things. First, is that it made people way more curious and way more hysterical (and a lot of people would have been that way anyway). But much more importantly, it massively obscured data on a virus we knew virtually nothing about. All these weeks later, it's fine to say it only affects old people barely clinging to life, but the death that blew this story wide open was the 34 year old doctor who was trying to get information about this virus out to the world.

It is fine to say, really.."These preliminary data also demonstrate that severe illness leading to hospitalization, including ICU admission and death, can occur in adults of any age with COVID-19."-- CDC https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/69/wr/mm6912e2.htm?s_cid=mm6912e2_w..

And what happen since my last comment? Now there is 14250 covid -19 cases in US, between 3.30 PM and this moment they have found 3495 cases more. It is something like 32.5% increase  in few hours. By this speed you have +30 000 patients at next monday..

[DooM_]

It is fine to say, really.."These preliminary data also demonstrate that severe illness leading to hospitalization, including ICU admission and death, can occur in adults of any age with COVID-19."-- CDC https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/69/wr/mm6912e2.htm?s_cid=mm6912e2_w..

And what happen since my last comment? Now there is 14250 covid -19 cases in US, between 3.30 PM and this moment they have found 3495 cases more. It is something like 32.5% increase  in few hours. By this speed you have +30 000 patients at next monday..

most people with the virus do not need to go to hospital

[WalterWhite]

1,321 people died as a result of seasonal influenza.... TODAY

So far this year 103 834 deaths from flu.... That's 103 834 dead so far THIS YEAR, ....

Coronavirus 8246 dead since late November, has the world gone insane? Even with exponential growth (which has not happened continually anywhere.. didn't in China, South Korea and hasnt even continued in Italy!) it fails to come close.

We are in the midst of a great crazy moment, international fear and hysteria... Out of control. The cost in mental health alone from this will greatly outstrip any disease effects in the end.

From the CDC

https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/2018-2019.html

Conclusion

CDC estimates that influenza was associated with more than 35.5 million illnesses, more than 16.5 million medical visits, 490,600 hospitalizations, and 34,200 deaths during the 2018–2019 influenza season. This burden was similar to estimated burden during the 2012–2013 influenza season1.

Now the deaths range on the high end was over 50k.

[G_Thang]

international fear and hysteria

Fear and Hyteria are toilet paper bandits.

International Lockdown is for a lab escapee on UN most wanted list.

Don't confuse the 2.

Influ's origin dates back to 16th Italy. Nature has its' check and balances for the flu, has had them since 16th century.

I don't remember reading in Virology and Pathogen Bio about the Biochem and Virol labs back than but I could be wrong. 

[Ropo]

most people with the virus do not need to go to hospital

So true, but plenty of them need it. It is like lottery, do you want to take this lottery ticket, or do you obey orders, wash your hands etc.?

You see, there is a clear trajectory in the spreading of this covid 19. It takes about nine weeks to get to top of the arch, and after that things start to get better. You are now at the week 4, so if your covid 19 cases increase 33% per day as it has been, in next five weeks there will be 2/3 of the population contamined by this virus. That's far more than your health care can handle..

So how about that lottery? First prize = Coffin. Second prize = few weeks in IC by your own expense, third prize  = weeks in hospital etc. You see, among intelligent people is quite usual to try to find easiest way around difficult things. In this situation, only morons try to hide behind denialism.

[V Man]

Mortality rate is 0.1% in Germany where more people are tested than just the very sick and elderly. Likely lower than 0.1%. The virus is at its peak in China, Iran and Italy and is killing nowhere near the amounts of common flu, or the H1N1 pandemic of 2009, for which there was no panic whatsoever.

It's amazing the ability of "journalists" to manufacture an economic crisis in the run in to a presidential election and Brexit. What a coincidence. Do you remember journalists getting caught faking pictures of empty shelves? Wake up.

That’s not really true regarding the mortality rate. People keep calculating the mortality rate dividing the total number of deaths by total number of cases, which isn’t accurate because it includes cases that are still active, and you don’t know how those are going to end yet. To get a more accurate number, you need to only look at the closed cases, meaning people have died, or they have recovered. When you only take those numbers into consideration, the current worldwide mortality rate is 10%.
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

[DooM_]

So true, but plenty of them need it. It is like lottery, do you want to take this lottery ticket, or do you obey orders, wash your hands etc.?

You see, there is a clear trajectory in the spreading of this covid 19. It takes about nine weeks to get to top of the arch, and after that things start to get better. You are now at the week 4, so if your covid 19 cases increase 33% per day as it has been, in next five weeks there will be 2/3 of the population contamined by this virus. That's far more than your health care can handle..

So how about that lottery? First prize = Coffin. Second prize = few weeks in IC by your own expense, third prize  = weeks in hospital etc.

most are going get the virus anyway , they will have to stay at home and hope for the best , most don't need to go to hospital  , if they are relatively healthy

[harmankardon1]

That’s not really true regarding the mortality rate. People keep calculating the mortality rate dividing the total number of deaths by total number of cases, which isn’t accurate because it includes cases that are still active, and you don’t know how those are going to end yet. To get a more accurate number, you need to only look at the closed cases, meaning people have died, or they have recovered. When you only take those numbers into consideration, the current worldwide mortality rate is 10%.
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

That's not accurate at all^

it doesn't account for the time it takes for the disease to run its course (weeks) vs critical patients that are passing quickly rip...

Look at Korea and China where patients have had time to recover.... China is at about 3% South Korea at 0.5% both of these are maximum death rates, the actual rate will always be lower as deaths are almost always reported whereas many thousands of mild or asymptomatic cases go unreported.

It will end up well under 1%.

[V Man]

That's not accurate at all^

it doesn't account for the time it takes for the disease to run its course (weeks) vs critical patients that are passing quickly rip...

Look at Korea and China where patients have had time to recover.... China is at about 3% South Korea at 0.5% both of these are maximum death rates, the actual rate will always be lower as deaths are almost always reported whereas many thousands of mild or asymptomatic cases go unreported.

It will end up well under 1%.

Yes I agree that the mortality rate will drop the longer this goes on, but I don’t think it will settle below 1%. I’m not sure where you are getting 0.5% for South Korea? The closed case mortality rate for South Korea is about the same as China right now @ 4%. I figure when all is said and done it will fall somewhere between 2-4% worldwide.

[Stanly]

they just want to inject us with shit. mandatory injections will come. To help you, you understand. maybe we will be chipped like a dog

[ProudVirgin69]

From the CDS

https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/2018-2019.html

Conclusion

CDC estimates that influenza was associated with more than 35.5 million illnesses, more than 16.5 million medical visits, 490,600 hospitalizations, and 34,200 deaths during the 2018–2019 influenza season. This burden was similar to estimated burden during the 2012–2013 influenza season1.

Now the deaths range on the high end was over 50k.

If you really wanna get nervous, look up the number of flu deaths reported by China each year.  Their reporting cannot be trusted

[harmankardon1]

Yes I agree that the mortality rate will drop the longer this goes on, but I don’t think it will settle below 1%. I’m not sure where you are getting 0.5% for South Korea? The closed case mortality rate for South Korea is about the same as China right now @ 4%. I figure when all is said and done it will fall somewhere between 2-4% worldwide.

i just explained why close case is highly inaccurate and now your quoting close case figures again?

South Korea 8652 cases with 94 deaths

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/south-korea/

The fatality rate will be much lower as testing increases. Your guessing about where the numbers are now. Your way off.

[Methyl m1ke]

817 people died as a result of coronavirus.... TODAY

and its increasing day by day,

Flu still has it beat by a landslide plus flu kills lots of young people and it has well known intermediate species to jump and mutate year after year.

[V Man]

i just explained why close case is highly inaccurate and now your quoting close case figures again?

South Korea 8652 cases with 94 deaths

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/south-korea/

The fatality rate will be much lower as testing increases. Your guessing about where the numbers are now. Your way off.

And your numbers assume that all currently active cases will resolve with no more deaths. That assumption is much more inaccurate.

[Twaddle]

3th?

I'll take 3th any day over, 1nd or 2rd.   

[TheGrinch]

[TheGrinch]

Coincidence or not.... timing of this whole this is pretty odd

http://www.centerforhealthsecurity.org/event201/scenario.html

http://www.centerforhealthsecurity.org/event201/

[Twaddle]

Nothing coincidental at all.  These tabletop exercises are held regularly in the USA.  Local, State, and Federal levels.  Probably hundreds if not thousands of these exercises occur annually. 

[Dave D]

Nothing coincidental at all.  These tabletop exercises are held regularly in the USA.  Local, State, and Federal levels.  Probably hundreds if not thousands of these exercises occur annually. 

It is odd that exercise was based on a Coronavirus that was exclusive to bats.