Coronavirus risk ratio

[joswift]

What's interesting is that these numbers were compiled before the coronavirus was an issue. Also, keep in mind that it is COVID-19, one of the many strains of the coronavirus which is currently wrecking havoc around the world. Why is it that otherwise intelligent and reasonable people compare apples to oranges so frequently.

mmm.. thats what stats are, people compile them every year to study trends, you dont think someone just came up with these because of the Covid19 epidemic do you?

[Straw Man]

Half the people who suffer from heart disease, cancer, RD, diabetes etc and who were gonna die at some point this year will get taken out by covid19.

Overall deaths at the end year won't look much worse than a bad flu year, but that's only if measures are taken against the virus.

how many of those diseases are highly contagious, and are spread by infected people who have no symptoms?

how many of those diseases are growing exponentially?

how many of those diseases are infecting and killing the medical personal caring for the victims?

how many of those diseases lack adequate testing ?

how many of those diseases did the Liar in Chief call a hoax and claim he had under control?

[joswift]

how many of those diseases are highly contagious, and are spread by infected people who have no symptoms?

how many of those diseases are growing exponentially?

how many of those diseases are infecting and killing the medical personal caring for the victims?

how many of those diseases lack adequate testing ?

how many of those diseases did the Liar in Chief call a hoax and claim he had under control?

Exponential growth is followed by exponential disappearance..especiall y for something that for most will be minor or no symptoms
Lots get ill quickly, lots get better, and then its gone, sadly, some die, but people die all the time..

[Primemuscle]

Exponential growth is followed by exponential disappearance..especiall y for something that for most will be minor or no symptoms
Lots get ill quickly, lots get better, and then its gone, sadly, some die, but people die all the time..

Just how many die, remains to be known. Many if not most illnesses more seriously affect the old and those whose health is already compromised. In this way COVID-19 is no different than a host of other viruses one might contract. 

[OAK]

These numbers are already accounted for. COVID 19 death is new.

Not worrying about the COVID virus would be like asking the bank to loan you another $10,000 because the $100,000 that you already owe them is their real problem.

[Straw Man]

Exponential growth is followed by exponential disappearance..especiall y for something that for most will be minor or no symptoms
Lots get ill quickly, lots get better, and then its gone, sadly, some die, but people die all the time..

exponential is by definition is "rapid growth"

there is no such thing as exponential disappearance

Rapid and exponential growth of an very easily transmitted disease with a 2% mortality rate is a fucking disaster, especially when we lack the ability to test and will quickly run out of the ability (equipment and personnel) to care for the sick.   

you failed to address any of my questions or the fact that our government (if you're in the US) failed to take action when they had an opportunity to get out in front or at least get an early attempt at flattening the curve

Instead the Trump administration just make things worse

[joswift]

These numbers are already accounted for. COVID 19 death is new.

Not worrying about the COVID virus would be like asking the bank to loan you another $10,000 because the $100,000 that you already owe them is their real problem.

and highly likely to be a one off

the total figures will end up a small stat in the general scheme of things

[joswift]

exponential is by definition is "rapid growth"

there is no such thing as exponential disappearance

Rapid and exponential growth of an very easily transmitted disease with a 2% mortality rate is a fucking disaster, especially when we lack the ability to test and will quickly run out of the ability (equipment and personnel) to care for the sick.   

you failed to address any of my questions or the fact that our government (if you're in the US) failed to take action when they had an opportunity to get out in front or at least get an early attempt at flattening the curve

Instead the Trump administration just make things worse

But it wont end up being a 2% mortality rate, it will flatten out

Im in the UK and were are in the same shit as the USA

Taiwan and Singapore dealt with it simply and easily
Mass testing and isolated positive cases in strict lockdown... rest of society carried on as normal

Total death toll 2 each...

[visualizeperfection]

Ok, question... so we take precautions and lock down the whole world. The virus has no vaccine, so we stay closed for eternity? Lock it down till a vaccine is formulated in a year plus? Lock it down for a month, tank the economy, destroy peoples retirements, and then say "fuck it" business as usual and everyone still gets sick?

One of my associates took such a big hit on his 401k he is no longer retiring this year. Fucked.

[Flexacon]

But it wont end up being a 2% mortality rate, it will flatten out

Im in the UK and were are in the same shit as the USA

Taiwan and Singapore dealt with it simply and easily
Mass testing and isolated positive cases in strict lockdown... rest of society carried on as normal

Total death toll 2 each...

Taiwan and Singapore have stopped the virus from spreading, but that doesn't mean they have dealt with it and their new normal is not what it was pre covid19.

[Straw Man]

But it wont end up being a 2% mortality rate, it will flatten out

Im in the UK and were are in the same shit as the USA

Taiwan and Singapore dealt with it simply and easily
Mass testing and isolated positive cases in strict lockdown... rest of society carried on as normal

Total death toll 2 each...

exactly

mass testing and quick isolation of anyone who test positive

If we (in the US) taken this seriously in February (or early January at they did in Germany, Taiwan, Singapore, etc.. we might not have had to shut down half the country

In the long run the economic carnage will greatly outweigh the health consequences

[joswift]

exactly

mass testing and quick isolation of anyone who test positive

If we (in the US) taken this seriously in February (or early January at they did in Germany, Taiwan, Singapore, etc.. we might not have had to shut down half the country

In the long run the economic carnage will greatly outweigh the health consequences

Agreed
And we had some clever people on both sides of the water dealing with this, its like it was allowed to get out of hand on purpose, either that or its gross incompetence.

[Dave D]

Come back in 3 months and see if you still think Corona isn't a big deal.

See you 28th of june.

June 28th?

What’s the more likely scenario, you’ve contracted the virus and you end up piled on a doorstep

OR

You’re banned? Again.

[Army of One]

Agreed
And we had some clever people on both sides of the water dealing with this, its like it was allowed to get out of hand on purpose, either that or its gross incompetence.

Most people are sheep with no common sense or foresight, even people with book-smarts.They parroted the "its just a flu" line because they cannot conceptualize anything out of the ordinary.

[Dave D]

Most people are sheep with no common sense or foresight, even people with book-smarts.They parroted the "its just a flu" line because they cannot conceptualize anything out of the ordinary.

Army he said clever people not most.

Most people parrot what they are told, few are willing to learn outside of being told.

You had an opinion on how horrible this was going to be from day one, long before China was even making it clear what was happening. If you were able to get ahead of this why wasn’t one of our world leaders? And that is Joswift is referring to.

[joswift]

Army he said clever people not most.

Most people parrot what they are told, few are willing to learn outside of being told.

You had an opinion on how horrible this was going to be from day one, long before China was even making it clear what was happening. If you were able to get ahead of this why wasn’t one of our world leaders? And that is Joswift is referring to.

exactly..

[Primemuscle]

Ok, question... so we take precautions and lock down the whole world. The virus has no vaccine, so we stay closed for eternity? Lock it down till a vaccine is formulated in a year plus? Lock it down for a month, tank the economy, destroy peoples retirements, and then say "fuck it" business as usual and everyone still gets sick?

One of my associates took such a big hit on his 401k he is no longer retiring this year. Fucked.

Good thing your associate didn't already retire and begin drawing on their 401K or they'd be taking a hit with less ability to recover. Retirees like myself, sometimes believe their retirement payout is guaranteed. It isn't, even when it is supposed to be, like mine. 80% of my retirement is from Public resources. If the SS and PERS goes bust, so do I. A guaranteed annuity is only as good as long as there are funds to support it. Of course, if the economy is so bad that these benefits get cut, pretty much everyone will be broke. Hope that never happens.

[visualizeperfection]

Good thing your associate didn't already retire and begin drawing on their 401K or they'd be taking a hit with less ability to recover. Retirees like myself, sometimes believe their retirement payout is guaranteed. It isn't, even when it is supposed to be, like mine. 80% of my retirement is from Public resources. If the SS and PERS goes bust, so do I. A guaranteed annuity is only as good as long as there are funds to support it. Of course, if the economy is so bad that these benefits get cut, pretty much everyone will be broke. Hope that never happens.

That’s true. At least he is still pulling a salary.

[Primemuscle]

That’s true. At least he is still pulling a salary.

Yup. Talk to people who retired shortly before the crash of 2008. Some of those people who thought they were set for life, found out otherwise.

[Hypertrophy]

exponential is by definition is "rapid growth"

there is no such thing as exponential disappearance

Rapid and exponential growth of an very easily transmitted disease with a 2% mortality rate is a fucking disaster, especially when we lack the ability to test and will quickly run out of the ability (equipment and personnel) to care for the sick.  

you failed to address any of my questions or the fact that our government (if you're in the US) failed to take action when they had an opportunity to get out in front or at least get an early attempt at flattening the curve

Instead the Trump administration just make things worse

The exact phrase is exponential decay. And joswift is correct.  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exponential_decay

[Hypertrophy]

Yup. Talk to people who retired shortly before the crash of 2008. Some of those people who thought they were set for life, found out otherwise.

It rebounded pretty quick. I had significant losses in 2008-2009 but by 2010 I was above the levels I had been prior to the crash.

[Hypertrophy]

Most people are sheep with no common sense or foresight, even people with book-smarts.They parroted the "its just a flu" line because they cannot conceptualize anything out of the ordinary.

Dude- you are so full of yourself. And you are incorrect, as usual.

[Primemuscle]

Most people are sheep with no common sense or foresight, even people with book-smarts.They parroted the "its just a flu" line because they cannot conceptualize anything out of the ordinary.

We said things like "its just the flu" with the hope that we would be right. What was your hope?

[illuminati]

But it wont end up being a 2% mortality rate, it will flatten out

Im in the UK and were are in the same shit as the USA

Taiwan and Singapore dealt with it simply and easily
Mass testing and isolated positive cases in strict lockdown... rest of society carried on as normal

Total death toll 2 each...

Wow & Look At the mess we’re in here in the U.K.
I’m no longer sure what or who to believe- so Much counter information about.

From what you point out with them 2 countries it appears it could’ve be far better managed over Here.