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Holding precious metals for this shit?
« on: March 29, 2020, 04:59:18 AM »
I'm an investment idiot but am considering putting a few thousand into coins to keep on hand. Just cuz. Think I can buy from the mint and walk out with them same day.

Even if it all goes completely the wrong way for me, seems I'd be unlikely to give away more than 15% on the deal. Or I could just tuck 'em in the bunker for next time the fan and the shit are in immediate proximity.

Gold and silver, equal purchase? If not, how come?


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Re: Holding precious metals for this shit?
« Reply #1 on: March 29, 2020, 05:11:52 AM »
I got scrap metal . I will build a voltaic pile . Coins are only good for heat sink fins or capacitor plates
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Re: Holding precious metals for this shit?
« Reply #2 on: March 29, 2020, 05:17:12 AM »
I'm an investment idiot but am considering putting a few thousand into coins to keep on hand. Just cuz. Think I can buy from the mint and walk out with them same day.

Even if it all goes completely the wrong way for me, seems I'd be unlikely to give away more than 15% on the deal. Or I could just tuck 'em in the bunker for next time the fan and the shit are in immediate proximity.

Gold and silver, equal purchase? If not, how come?



Prices are too high right now.  

You'd be one of the suckers lining up to give your money to the sharks, buying high, selling low.  

The smart move is a low cost, no load, total market equity index fund.  Invest a do-able amount every month.  In your 401k or a Roth IRA or in a taxable account.

Like the "Vanguard Total Market Equity Index Fund".

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Re: Holding precious metals for this shit?
« Reply #3 on: March 29, 2020, 05:22:31 AM »
Crypto is the way to go.Its all moving to digital currency.

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Re: Holding precious metals for this shit?
« Reply #4 on: March 29, 2020, 05:29:18 AM »
go cash and buy residential real estate

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« Reply #5 on: March 29, 2020, 05:44:44 AM »
go cash and buy residential real estate
that would be 130k at minimal
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« Reply #6 on: March 29, 2020, 05:50:45 AM »
Prices are too high right now.  

You'd be one of the suckers lining up to give your money to the sharks, buying high, selling low.  

The smart move is a low cost, no load, total market equity index fund.  Invest a do-able amount every month.  In your 401k or a Roth IRA or in a taxable account.

Like the "Vanguard Total Market Equity Index Fund".


I actually set up a Vanguard account for shits last week and that’s exactly what I went with. I just did the minimum for the Admiral shares. I already have plenty in both Fidelity and TDA (all low cost market ETFs) and just wanted to try a new broker where I can have weekly automatic bank transfers combined w/ automatic weekly investing. Fidelity only had monthly automatic buying plus I always liked Jack Bogle’s message. Seems like the most tax-efficient equity fund that I can think of as well.

If you look at the long-term returns of metals of let’s say 10 or 30 years, gold underperforms equities. I believe gold beat equites in the 15 year returns, but it takes certain windows for it to do so which usually close fairy quickly. Even after this current crash, GLD(gold etf) underperformed SPY (S&P 500) for the 10 year returns.

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« Reply #7 on: March 29, 2020, 05:53:05 AM »
I actually set up a Vanguard account for shits last week and that’s exactly what I went with. I just did the minimum for the Admiral shares. I already have plenty in both Fidelity and TDA (all low cost market ETFs) and just wanted to try a new broker where I can have weekly automatic bank transfers combined w/ automatic weekly investing. Fidelity only had monthly automatic buying plus I always liked Jack Bogle’s message. Seems like the most tax-efficient equity fund that I can think of as well.

Good pick.

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« Reply #8 on: March 29, 2020, 06:08:35 AM »
I'm an investment idiot but am considering putting a few thousand into coins to keep on hand. Just cuz. Think I can buy from the mint and walk out with them same day.

Even if it all goes completely the wrong way for me, seems I'd be unlikely to give away more than 15% on the deal. Or I could just tuck 'em in the bunker for next time the fan and the shit are in immediate proximity.

Gold and silver, equal purchase? If not, how come?



Historically in these situations, people always react the same.  Panic buying, pulling cash from the banks and panic into bullion.  You want to be early to this party, not late.  Bullion is selling out and is getting hard to get, especially with refiners and mints shutting down.  Silver is very cheap at the moment, as it's being supressed.  Gold and silver have been money for thousands of years.  Fiat currency always fails and goes to its intrinsic value of zero.   Gold is great, but harder for the common man to afford.  In a currency crisis, it may be hard to make change for a 1 ounce gold coin that is at that time worth several thousands of dollars.  Silver is more advantageous in that scenario, but silver is much bulkier to store and carry comparitively based on worth.

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« Reply #9 on: March 29, 2020, 06:20:10 AM »
I'm an investment idiot but am considering putting a few thousand into coins to keep on hand. Just cuz. Think I can buy from the mint and walk out with them same day.

Even if it all goes completely the wrong way for me, seems I'd be unlikely to give away more than 15% on the deal. Or I could just tuck 'em in the bunker for next time the fan and the shit are in immediate proximity.

Gold and silver, equal purchase? If not, how come?



If you are thinking down these lines also by some digital gold aka Bitcoin.

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Re: Holding precious metals for this shit?
« Reply #10 on: March 29, 2020, 06:26:49 AM »
Ok, I'll count on the economic system not to crash and burn. But isn't all the "free" money getting paid out going to devalue the hell out of currency? Isnt there massive uncertainty about how long these corona measures will hold the economy's face in the mud, and how well it'll bounce back? There's all kinds of talk about how grim things are and it hasn't even really begun yet, so I was thinking metals for the upcoming uncertainty. I know I'm so 101 with $. Sorry.

I still predict wide deployment of the National Guard and regular military in the US. Doubt they'll make a formal declaration of martial law, but it'll be martial law by another name. "The Civil Safety Force" or some such.

And a 10 percent chance of China invading Australia once the US has its hands full with medical, economic, and civil issues.

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« Reply #11 on: March 29, 2020, 06:42:04 AM »
The problem with gold is that while it can be used as money it’s not. When was the last time you paid for something using gold?

The reality is we’re stuck with this fiat money system for the foreseeable future and stockpiling gold isn’t going to change that.

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Re: Holding precious metals for this shit?
« Reply #12 on: March 29, 2020, 06:42:26 AM »
Ok, I'll count on the economic system not to crash and burn. But isn't all the "free" money getting paid out going to devalue the hell out of currency? Isnt there massive uncertainty about how long these corona measures will hold the economy's face in the mud, and how well it'll bounce back? There's all kinds of talk about how grim things are and it hasn't even really begun yet, so I was thinking metals for the upcoming uncertainty. I know I'm so 101 with $. Sorry.

I still predict wide deployment of the National Guard and regular military in the US. Doubt they'll make a formal declaration of martial law, but it'll be martial law by another name. "The Civil Safety Force" or some such.

And a 10 percent chance of China invading Australia once the US has its hands full with medical, economic, and civil issues.

Cash and cash equivalents will be devalued so you need investments that appreciate faster than inflation like stocks and certain real estate.

Gold has historically only matched inflation over the long term.  No growth.  It's good for an inflation hedge but a lousy investment.

Having a small amount of gold on hand, held personally, would be insurance against financial apocalypse.  A few gold coins.

An end times scenario.

The problem with owning a large amount of gold is where to keep it.  Bury it in your backyard at night?  Storing it at an offsite secure facility is expensive.

The first rule about owning gold: Never tell anyone you own gold.

The second rule about owning gold: Never tell anyone you own gold.

The third rule about owning gold: Never tell anyone you own gold.

Etc.

How about owning gold mining company stock?  In an end times scenario that will do you no good.  You need physical possession of the coins.

If you're worried about the apocalypse buy a few gold coins and keep them safe and tell no one.

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Re: Holding precious metals for this shit?
« Reply #13 on: March 29, 2020, 04:16:15 PM »
You want to be early to this party, not late.  Bullion is selling out and is getting hard to get

Yep, sold out.  :-\  Don't have any guns either. My goose is cooked.

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Re: Holding precious metals for this shit?
« Reply #14 on: March 29, 2020, 04:18:25 PM »
Yep, sold out.  :-\  Don't have any guns either. My goose is cooked.

Do you honesty think if things collapsed that you’d be going to the store with a pouch full of gold coins? The world would be chaotic where anything goes. Guns>gold

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« Reply #15 on: March 29, 2020, 04:30:16 PM »
Do you honesty think if things collapsed that you’d be going to the store with a pouch full of gold coins? The world would be chaotic where anything goes. Guns>gold

Heard they have closed the gun stores in Aus.

No, I don't think there would be a grocery store to go to in that situation. I doubt that would happen anyway, but they have sold out so some people seem to believe in gold on hand.

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« Reply #16 on: March 29, 2020, 04:33:52 PM »
Heard they have closed the gun stores in Aus.

No, I don't think there would be a grocery store to go to in that situation. I doubt that would happen anyway, but they have sold out so some people seem to believe in gold on hand.

The same thing happened after the housing crisis. Fear overcomes any rational thought in these people. I wouldn’t sweat it, iron brother! These are the kind of people who can’t take the pain and sell their shares at the bottom of the market right before a rebound. Emotional decisions are usually very poor decisions.

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« Reply #17 on: March 29, 2020, 05:35:39 PM »
Heard they have closed the gun stores in Aus.

No, I don't think there would be a grocery store to go to in that situation. I doubt that would happen anyway, but they have sold out so some people seem to believe in gold on hand.



On average , every Aussie farmer owns 6 rifles  ;D

Most of them make munition by themselves (no need licence)  ;)

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Re: Holding precious metals for this shit?
« Reply #18 on: March 29, 2020, 05:46:29 PM »
Prices are too high right now.  

You'd be one of the suckers lining up to give your money to the sharks, buying high, selling low.  

The smart move is a low cost, no load, total market equity index fund.  Invest a do-able amount every month.  In your 401k or a Roth IRA or in a taxable account.

Like the "Vanguard Total Market Equity Index Fund".


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Re: Holding precious metals for this shit?
« Reply #19 on: March 29, 2020, 06:51:10 PM »
Gold and silver to physically get in your hand is 2 months out online. If you don't already have it now I wouldn't bet on getting any soon.

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Re: Holding precious metals for this shit?
« Reply #20 on: March 29, 2020, 07:36:27 PM »
Day late and a dollar short.

Oh well. I'm sure nothing bad will happen. ::)

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« Reply #21 on: March 29, 2020, 07:53:06 PM »


I would invest in a mutual fund with stocks that are more dependable and will eventually go up, or back up in the next year or so.   Having one or two stocks is more complicated at the moment vs a mutual fund, which are down at the moment.  Even if they go down a little more, they will eventually go back up.  Or stay with the banks for 1.5% interest a year.  Keep a mix of all


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« Reply #22 on: March 29, 2020, 07:57:28 PM »
The problem with gold is that while it can be used as money it’s not. When was the last time you paid for something using gold?

The reality is we’re stuck with this fiat money system for the foreseeable future and stockpiling gold isn’t going to change that.
Yep, I wouldn't ever think of it as a form of money. Just an investment like any other. Sell high.

People will be using bullets and bread before gold.

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« Reply #23 on: March 29, 2020, 08:01:14 PM »
go cash and buy residential real estate
I was "hoping" that something similar to 2008 would happen as I am older now and can take advantage of it but not sure about this unless the government is going to pay for their housing. Many will be without jobs.

We will see how it goes currently with the few we have right now. Course if you can buy a house for $10,000 like you could back then you don't have to worry about mortgages or anything.

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Re: Holding precious metals for this shit?
« Reply #24 on: March 29, 2020, 08:17:11 PM »
I did physical silver many years ago during that silver/gold spike. I see the same stuff written today as i did a decade ago but it will turn out the same.

There was a split between physical and paper. It came back together. Physical was only good providing you sold before the peak. If you hold it after, you end up paying a premium to buy but sell for spot.

Metals will do a run up but you need to wait for the markets to play out and stabilise before the run up begins.

The run should last as long as QE does.