Live coronavirus updates: Americans warned as many as 240,000 could die

[SF1900]

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/live-blog/ncna1173686

Coronavirus Live Updates: Scientists Warn the Virus Could Kill Up to 240,000 Americans

Updated April 1, 2020, 4:28 AM EDT
As many as 240,000 people in the U.S. could die from COVID-19 — and that's with strict social distancing measures in place, one of the government’s top doctors warned Tuesday.

Without intervention, between 1.5 and 2.2 million could die, warned Dr. Deborah Birx, the White House coronavirus response coordinator.

The disease has already killed more than 3,860 and infected nearly 187,000 in the United States, according to NBC News’ tally.

In politics, former Vice President and current Democratic presidential candidate Joe Biden suggested Tuesday that there may not be a physical Democratic National Convention this year because of the pandemic.

[prowlermaniac]

None of these fear mongering assholes have a clue; just another dweeb throwing out a number to drive fear.  Fuck em

[Royalty]

You do realize that 100% of us are sitting inside all day hearing and reading the same news stories you are? Not exactly a "newsflash ".

NEWS FLASH

[Palumboism]

None of these fear mongering assholes have a clue; just another dweeb throwing out a number to drive fear.  Fuck em

It does seem like they're trying to drive fear to justify obscene government spending.

[el numero uno]

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/live-blog/ncna1173686

Coronavirus Live Updates: Scientists Warn the Virus Could Kill Up to 240,000 Americans

Updated April 1, 2020, 4:28 AM EDT
As many as 240,000 people in the U.S. could die from COVID-19 — and that's with strict social distancing measures in place, one of the government’s top doctors warned Tuesday.

Without intervention, between 1.5 and 2.2 million could die, warned Dr. Deborah Birx, the White House coronavirus response coordinator.

The disease has already killed more than 3,860 and infected nearly 187,000 in the United States, according to NBC News’ tally.

In politics, former Vice President and current Democratic presidential candidate Joe Biden suggested Tuesday that there may not be a physical Democratic National Convention this year because of the pandemic.

If it isn't Tucker Carlson I ain't buying it.

[Thin Lizzy]

If it isn't Tucker Carlson I ain't buying it.

You’re right not to buy it:

I don’t really have a strong opinion about the man-made argument, but I do believe that the one of the reasons  for the dire predictions is to funnel money to the healthcare establishment:

Remember, AIDS was a death sentence back then and the two hundred thousand means that’s how many would die. The point of it back then was to get all types of funding for research and foundations. Same thing is going to happen with corona.


Follow the money!



https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-1988-03-08-vw-591-story.html

“At a minimum, we estimate that 200,000 heterosexuals have been infected” with the AIDS virus, said Kolodny, medical director of the Behavioral Medicine Institute in New Canaan, Conn., and a board member of the Masters & Johnson Institute in St. Louis.




https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-03-28/nyc-quarantine-debated-italy-deaths-pass-10-000-virus-update


Deaths in the U.S. could reach 200,000, top infectious disease expert Anthony Fauci said, describing the estimate as a moving target. New York state’s fatalities are approaching 1,000.

[harmankardon1]

None of these fear mongering assholes have a clue; just another dweeb throwing out a number to drive fear.  Fuck em

Truth has been spoken, ^

fuck em.

[harmankardon1]

None of these fear mongering assholes have a clue; just another dweeb throwing out a number to drive fear.  Fuck em

It's fucking bullshit, it's just like the climate "science" turd that gets blathered about in the media.

[Skylge]

I think in the 1990s there was a md cow disease scare in the UK, some doctors predicting 100,000 or more deaths

www.en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Variant_Creutzfeldt–Jakob_disease


Didn't happen

But: the chinese corona virus apparently hits obese people much more than slim (low BMI) ones. Has something to do with receptors / fat cells that the virus sticks to

USA has a very high number of obese people
In Spain / Italy 10,000 deaths have occurred or will reach that point soon

As the USA has at least 6 times more inhabitants, I think 50,000 deaths could be realistic

[tommywishbone]

"The sky is falling! The sky is falling!"  -C. Little

[BB]

For the US, so far we've got death estimates of -

Brix - 240,000

Fauci - 100,000 - 200,000 (http://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMe2002387 , and more current interviews).

University of Washington Institute for Health Metrics and Evaluation - 94,000 ( https://covid19.healthdata.org/projections ).

If I was a betting man, I could see it falling somewhere in the high double digits or Fauci's low end, I can't see 240,000 though.
  

[Thin Lizzy]

Doctors make money from sick people. So, they have an inherent bias towards worst case scenarios.

[kreator]

I think in the 1990s there was a md cow disease scare in the UK, some doctors predicting 100,000 or more deaths

www.en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Variant_Creutzfeldt–Jakob_disease


Didn't happen

But: the chinese corona virus apparently hits obese people much more than slim (low BMI) ones. Has something to do with receptors / fat cells that the virus sticks to

USA has a very high number of obese people
In Spain / Italy 10,000 deaths have occurred or will reach that point soon

As the USA has at least 6 times more inhabitants, I think 50,000 deaths could be realistic

Might be due to constant inflammation from bad diet and being fat. Obesity is known to impair the immune system. So are too many omega 6 and carbs in the diet. To top it off, a western diet is rich in high carb, high fat meals which also wreak havoc in the long term when a person is in a caloric surplus.

[Palumboism]

Doctors make money from sick people. So, they have an inherent bias towards worst case scenarios.

With new science and technology, the cost of medical care should be going down, but it's going up dramatically.  Somethings not right here.

[GigantorX]

That was "Worst case" scenario. A few million infected and 200,000+ deaths. Which, from what we know from developed non-communist nations, isn't going to happen. Dr "AIDS will kill all hetero sexuals!" Fauci admitted, later in the interview, that this was the worst case projections and those never pan out.

Of course this little fear mongering clown loved to drop the apocalypse numbers, loves to drive fear and drive policy. He and the CDC did a great job with the HIV epidemic in the 80's....billion infected, no need to close bathhouses or focus on the homo-population...they certainly aren't at risk! LOL

[Ropo]

None of these fear mongering assholes have a clue; just another dweeb throwing out a number to drive fear.  Fuck em

Point is that you don't need to believe what they tell you, just sit and watch what will happen. It take just few weeks and you see it yourself if it is true or not. In the meantime do not obey any orders, don't stay home, hang out among strangers and see what happen..

[joswift]

Point is that you don't need to believe what they tell you, just sit and watch what will happen. It take just few weeks and you see it yourself if it is true or not. In the meantime do not obey any orders, don't stay home, hang out among strangers and see what happen..

the seasonal death rates are the same if not less this year than previous years, what does that tell you?

[fredrollon]

For comparison, the death toll from the seasonal flu ,according to the experts in the CDC (Centre for Disease Control):

61,099 deaths in the 2017-2018 flu season with
115 deaths in the 0-4 years age group
528 deaths in the 5-17 years age

https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/2017-2018.htm


Worth shutting the economy down for?

[Dave D]

Weren’t the expectations that 70-80 % of the US was going to get this virus? That’s close to 270 million people and they’re only predicting 240,000 dead?

[friedchickendinner]

Time matters.

80% infected in 3 months or 18 months.

[Twaddle]

I think in the 1990s there was a md cow disease scare in the UK, some doctors predicting 100,000 or more deaths

www.en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Variant_Creutzfeldt–Jakob_disease


Didn't happen

But: the chinese corona virus apparently hits obese people much more than slim (low BMI) ones. Has something to do with receptors / fat cells that the virus sticks to

USA has a very high number of obese people
In Spain / Italy 10,000 deaths have occurred or will reach that point soon

As the USA has at least 6 times more inhabitants, I think 50,000 deaths could be realistic

Damn....... Ron is fucked!   

[fredrollon]

Weren’t the expectations that 70-80 % of the US was going to get this virus? That’s close to 270 million people and they’re only predicting 240,000 dead?

Wonder how these figures are calculated. Must be the absolutely "worst case scenario" and the only way this ever happen would be if every American started hugging and kissing completely random strangers everyday for a few months.


After all, in one of the worst single Coronavirus incidents, less than 20% (712 cases) of the total passengers and crew(3.711) in the Diamond Princess cruise ship got infected.

The confines of a ship would ,one might assume. would be one of the more congenial places for the spread of the virus:  
a bunch of people crammed together in close proximity to each other,
multiple people not washing their hands and touching the same surfaces, door handles and handrails,
and air vents and air conditioning units, transporting airborne droplets , containing the virus, to every corridor, room and cabin.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diamond_Princess_(ship)#2020_COVID-19

[mazrim]

Nobody bothered to look at my interactive graph direct from CDC website that you can mess with that I've posted twice that shows flu and pneumonia deaths are down this time of year implying that they are now placing those under Cornona. Joswift is essentially making the same point (deaths are not up).

[joswift]

Nobody bothered to look at my interactive graph direct from CDC website that you can mess with that I've posted twice that shows flu and pneumonia deaths are down this time of year implying that they are now placing those under Cornona. Joswift is essentially making the same point (deaths are not up).

its being consistently ignored...

[Thin Lizzy]

With new science and technology, the cost of medical care should be going down, but it's going up dramatically.  Somethings not right here.

If you want to learn why, read up on the history of employer based healthcare. It didn’t come out of the private sector. It was a result of a WWII government intervention which capped wages.