"Luke Haberman" obviously born tough

[tommywishbone]

Well no surprise there, a lot of people are much better fighters than the UFC fighters, they just can't pass the drug test because of cocaine etc so they do their fighting on the street and in home invasions and in bars.

   LOL!  Yes. Of course.

There are so many great undiscovered athletes that could easily star in the NFL or win the Olympics or play for Manchester United if not for drug use. LOL.   

Go join an actual Combat Sports training facility. Train for ten years. Spar a few thousand rounds. Then make the same idiotic statement.

[friedchickendinner]

  LOL!  Yes. Of course.

There are so many great undiscovered athletes that could easily star in the NFL or win the Olympics or play for Manchester United if not for drug use. LOL.   

Go join an actual Combat Sports training facility. Train for ten years. Spar a few thousand rounds. Then make the same idiotic statement.

There's almost 8 billion people on the planet, it would be foolish to think that only those active in sports are the ones that can do great at sports.

[Kwon]

Luke screaming, he sure looked drugged up!

[harmankardon1]

Lol... He was fucking tripping hard!

I'd love to know what he took, he must have preexisting mental issues too,

crazy to think he could take that punishment and keep coming. He must have felt like a truck hit him when he came out of it.

[Kwon]

Lol... He was fucking tripping hard!

I'd love to know what he took, he must have preexisting mental issues too,

crazy to think he could take that punishment and keep coming. He must have felt like a truck hit him when he came out of it.

Yes, but he felt no pain DURING, everything came after!

People think it was PCP

[harmankardon1]

Yes, but he felt no pain DURING, everything came after!

People think it was PCP

I was gonna say the only drug I've heard of causing that type of behaviour was pcp... I've never known anyone to take it though, rare these days.

Remember the line in the original terminator by Hendrickson.....

[D.O.A.]

Lionheart was scared shitless (as you should be) since he didn't know if the invader had a gun, knife or an accomplice.

that's a good point plus he had to keep an eye on his family as well

[D.O.A.]

Imagine him v Martyn Ford

Hahahahaha! I was just thinking about that.

[oldgolds]

Back in the 90''s a Golds gym (Oceanside) member came to the gym high on PCP. He first attacked a guy in the parking lot then came inside and started fighting with an owner named Craig, Craig was a street fighter and knocked the shit out of the guy and it spilled out to the sidewalk when a bunch of members came out and pummeled him. Then the cops got there and he fought the cops. He was finally hauled off. Next day he comes back to the gym  marked up and remembering nothing and saying the cops beat him up and he was suing.He had no recollection of fighting with Craig. This dude wasn't a big guy.

[pellius]

Always amazes me how people think cause you are a ufc fighter you are toughest guy ever.Many people tougher than them don’t fight for a living.just as I’m sure the strongest men don’t lift weights.

Still, the odds are that if you have made it to the UFC you are probably a pretty good fighter period. People make the argument that in the street you can kick the nuts, gouge the eyes, and pull hair. Well, professional fighters can do that, too. Probably better.

Whenever I see guys on Facebook breaking bricks and giving demonstrations of how tough they are or guys that claim they are tougher than UFC fighters then why not fight professionally if you think you're that good? Why let that talent and toughness go to waste when you can be very rich if you make it to the top. Sure there are rules but everybody fights by the same rules. It's an odd argument that just because you can't poke eyes and kick the nuts or bite that that suddenly nullifies all your fighting ability.

Remember how Kimbo was such a badass streetfighter? And he was. Old school bare-knuckle scraps in the streets and backyards. But when he had to go against those with years of high-level training he didn't fare so well.

[pellius]

Regarding Haberman, drugs and such

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I'm a prison officer and have dealt with situations like this before. Guys on the spice are inhuman, I have restrained 150lbs skinny druggies who feel like Brock Lesnar.

Had a guy a couple of weeks ago have a bad trip, this mother fucker had unlimited energy and did not feel any pain at all, I and 5 other officers had him down and this guy was getting up, I had his arm so locked down it was inches from snapping and I could feel him breaking my grip and my energy draining.
Thankfully he came off his tripped and passed out, afterwards he had no clue what happened and swore we were making it up.

A few years back a 6'7 300lbs inmate went off no the stuff, took about 8 of the biggest, hardest officers we have to get him down and keep him there and they struggled.
Not even Darren Avey would be able to handle him.

Honestly, in that state you need to shoot that person in the face, it activates the muscles or some shit you be a heavyweight UFC champ and lose a fight to someone in that state.


No one here really understands this drug or what it's like to deal with someone on it.

Yes, strength goes up, you know when you go into a rage and do something otherwise impossible for a brief second? Imagine that but it doesn't last a second it lasts for ages.

Yes, they have unlimited energy, I mean unlimited, they go 100% and do not get tired.

No, they do not feel pain, when I say they don't feel pain I mean you cut snap their arm and they would go even harder. You can't hurt them.

No, Shizzo or Joon would not kill the guy lol, far from it, they would be in trouble in fact.
Ask yourself if Smith a 220+ LHW killer defending his family felt himself starting to lose what would LWs or WWs do? Think about it.

Heavyweights 265+ Lesnar types are what you need.

The fact this Haberman is an athlete and a wrestler makes it 100x worse, I feel for Smith, it's very scary and humbling.

You notice he said he feels 'insufficient' years training and fighting and he almost loses it in this moment, it doesn't make sense.
I'm 6ft 200lbs train 5 days a week, can go with anyone and the first time I tangoed with one of these I was humbled, felt scared for what someone is capable of tbh.

Like I said above, I think this stuff activates some hidden muscles that lift a car strength we are meant to be capable of.
I can see why some people say 'demons' not a fan of that analogy but seeing and hearing the screams it seems plausible if you sway to that belief.

When a guy starts screaming, it means bad news for everyone involved lol

Remember how much punishment and how long it took to subdue the nonathlete Rodney King while he was hyped on PCP?

[pellius]

When guys are high on wet ( a street drug),their strength is unreal, and they don't feel pain...I'm guessing he was high on something

Remember that even under the heaviest of load you only about 30% of your muscles are activated. It varies some from individual to individual which is why often an smaller guy is stronger than a bigger guy. He just naturally activates a higher percentage of his muscle fibers. It's been theorized that under great stress when that fight or flight sense of desperation kicks in that some get that burst of energy and the nervous system fires like crazy. Explains how a woman was able to lift the side of a car to save her child.

[Methyl m1ke]

I was gonna say the only drug I've heard of causing that type of behaviour was pcp... I've never known anyone to take it though, rare these days.

Remember the line in the original terminator by Hendrickson.....

Here in the bay area pcp is pretty common. Well at least I can say I personally know more than a few who partake pretty readily. I guess you get really horny when you smoke it with weed. I know more girls than guys who use it primarily for that reason. Being a strong disassociate it has a good many side effects along with certain long term brain damage...popular with older crowds too, and you can easily see the damage as it sloly renders them retarded  

Not the business...

[Kwon]

Remember that even under the heaviest of load you only about 30% of your muscles are activated. It varies some from individual to individual which is why often an smaller guy is stronger than a bigger guy. He just naturally activates a higher percentage of his muscle fibers. It's been theorized that under great stress when that fight or flight sense of desperation kicks in that some get that burst of energy and the nervous system fires like crazy. Explains how a woman was able to lift the side of a car to save her child.

also explains how Tbombz could endure so much pain and stuff so much Sausage nonstop in his backend during the years

Wonder what drug he was on

[a_pupil]

he's lucky he didn't meet darren avey on the cobbles

[harmankardon1]

Here in the bay area pcp is pretty common. Well at least I can say I personally know more than a few who partake pretty readily. I guess you get really horny when you smoke it with weed. I know more girls than guys who use it primarily for that reason. Being a strong disassociate it has a good many side effects along with certain long term brain damage...popular with older crowds too, and you can easily see the damage as it sloly renders them retarded  

Not the business...

Interesting^

Like I said I've been around rec drug users a lot and used many drugs myself recreationally but have never come across pcp in Australia.

A lot of lsd here. I hate the shit don't tolerate it well at all. I'm fine while high but the next day I get shortness of breath and heart palpitations, dizziness feeling very ill, no one else I know who takes it has these effects so I stay away from it.

[pellius]

There's almost 8 billion people on the planet, it would be foolish to think that only those active in sports are the ones that can do great at sports.

True, but it's meaningless when they only exist in the abstract. It's unfortunate that many are in countries and circumstances in life that are unable to reach their full potential. That applies to everything. So there's really no point. We can only count those that have actually had the ability, courage, and willingness to step up.

I'm sure a lot of people here have seen people that they know would be great bbers. I see men here in Hawaii that just naturally have delts bigger than their head and calves easily over 20 inches. But they're big, fat lazy fuks that have no desire to work out and do something with their great natural potential.

[che]

There is a huge difference  between street fighting and fighting in a controlled environment.

[Marty Champions]

Luke haberman legendary middle school brat fighter was on janoys preworkout

[pellius]

There is a huge difference  between street fighting and fighting in a controlled environment.

But don't you think a professional fighter can do both and probably a lot better than those street fighters that are not training every day. After all, I really doubt someone just decides to become a professional fighter if they haven't done some real life fighting and has a propensity toward physical aggression.

I'm not talking about guns, knives, baseball bats, multiple attackers. That is a totally different situation. I know some say that that is the reality of street fighting and it's true, but if you want to evaluate just bare-knuckle no rules combat then that's what you should evaluate it as. Both sides can use knives, bats, and guns. If you want to talk about what style is better in a knife fight or stick fight that's an entirely different
issue.

I just believe a person is fooling themselves if they think that a professional fighter who trains every day doesn't have a natural advantage against one who only fights when there is a personal conflict. If it goes longer than two minutes the pro will win just on conditioning alone.

[AbrahamG]

Still, the odds are that if you have made it to the UFC you are probably a pretty good fighter period. People make the argument that in the street you can kick the nuts, gouge the eyes, and pull hair. Well, professional fighters can do that, too. Probably better.

Whenever I see guys on Facebook breaking bricks and giving demonstrations of how tough they are or guys that claim they are tougher than UFC fighters then why not fight professionally if you think you're that good? Why let that talent and toughness go to waste when you can be very rich if you make it to the top. Sure there are rules but everybody fights by the same rules. It's an odd argument that just because you can't poke eyes and kick the nuts or bite that that suddenly nullifies all your fighting ability.

Remember how Kimbo was such a badass streetfighter? And he was. Old school bare-knuckle scraps in the streets and backyards. But when he had to go against those with years of high-level training he didn't fare so well.

Imagine if Jon Jones had no rules? 

[pellius]

Imagine if Jon Jones had no rules? 

Well, you can be sure eye-pokes would be a staple.

[che]

But don't you think a professional fighter can do both and probably a lot better than those street fighters that are not training every day. After all, I really doubt someone just decides to become a professional fighter if they haven't done some real life fighting and has a propensity toward physical aggression.

I'm not talking about guns, knives, baseball bats, multiple attackers. That is a totally different situation. I know some say that that is the reality of street fighting and it's true, but if you want to evaluate just bare-knuckle no rules combat then that's what you should evaluate it as. Both sides can use knives, bats, and guns. If you want to talk about what style is better in a knife fight or stick fight that's an entirely different
issue.

I just believe a person is fooling themselves if they think that a professional fighter who trains every day doesn't have a natural advantage against one who only fights when there is a personal conflict. If it goes longer than two minutes the pro will win just on conditioning alone.

100%  , what I'm referring to is that  in a street fight  ,your focus is not just on your opponent , in this case Smith was scared ,  because he had never been in a situation like it ,he didn,t know if the guy had a weapon ,he didnt know if  somebody else was with him, he was thinking about his wife and kids .............in the octagon he would have  koed or chocked  this kid  in less than1 minute.

[Methyl m1ke]

100%  , what I'm referring to is that  in a street fight  ,your focus is not just on your opponent , in this case Smith was scared ,  because he had never been in a situation like it ,he didn,t know if the guy had a weapon ,he didnt know if  somebody else was with him, he was thinking about his wife and kids .............in the octagon he would have  koed or chocked  this kid  in less than1 minute.

^ very much agree, dude had his wife and three daughters on his mind, he's thinking if this intruder gets past him, or if one of the what if's is actually real...I definitely definitely would not want to find myself in that spot. We can all talk a good game "oh I WISH an intruder would set foot in MY house!" but we really don't.

[pellius]

100%  , what I'm referring to is that  in a street fight  ,your focus is not just on your opponent , in this case Smith was scared ,  because he had never been in a situation like it ,he didn,t know if the guy had a weapon ,he didnt know if  somebody else was with him, he was thinking about his wife and kids .............in the octagon he would have  koed or chocked  this kid  in less than1 minute.

I do believe that because this guy was a skilled wrestler and hyped up on drugs that made a difference. But, you're right, the context of the situation can make a big difference.

Too bad about this kid, he looked like a good clean-cut kid and was probably a pussy magnet in those days. I am actually quite curious what happened to him to go down this road.