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Coronavirus patients in South Korea are now testing positive for the virus a second time, health officials are warning, following similar reports in other countries.

Bloomberg reported Thursday that the Korea Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (KCDC) said in a statement announcing a formal investigation that dozens of patients have retested positive for the disease.

"While we are putting more weight on reactivation as the possible cause, we are conducting a comprehensive study on this," KCDC Director-General Jeong Eun-kyeong said, according to Bloomberg. "There have been many cases when a patient during treatment will test negative one day and positive another."

NPR reported late last month that similar cases were also discovered in Wuhan, China, where health officials say that some people who tested positive weeks ago for the virus have tested positive again, including two doctors treating patients with the virus.

NPR reported that a false positive is possible if a test picks up residual virus from the initial infection. 

Japan in February reported its first case of a person testing positive twice for the disease. Some health officials have warned that the virus could remain dormant in the body before reaching the lungs and causing havoc.

"Once you have the infection, it could remain dormant with minimal symptoms," New York University microbiology and pathology professor Philip Tierno Jr. told Reuters. "And then you can get an exacerbation if it finds its way into the lungs."

For similar reasons, one of the doctors who told NPR they experienced a second positive coronavirus test after a recovery questioned China's decision to not include asymptomatic carriers in its official case count. China is also not counting new cases found in people who previously had the virus in its official count, NPR noted.

"I have no idea why the authorities choose not to count [asymptomatic] cases in the official case count. I am baffled," the doctor reportedly said.

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Probably faulty tests, there’s been a lot of issues with those tests. The only other explanation is it’s like herpes and will kill us all.

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If there is reactivation, it should hopefully be more mild as the immune system is primed against the virus....

But probably just testing issues, or false negatives/ positives...

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THERE IS NO CURE and you will never get rid of it?

There’s no cure for the flu either and deaths are still down about 40,000 to reach their yearly death cases

This year -

“CDC estimates that so far this season there have been at least 39 million flu illnesses, 400,000 hospitalizations and 24,000 deaths from flu”

Funny how you don’t hear about our hospitals bring overran with this

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Coronavirus patients in South Korea are now testing positive for the virus a second time, health officials are warning, following similar reports in other countries.

Bloomberg reported Thursday that the Korea Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (KCDC) said in a statement announcing a formal investigation that dozens of patients have retested positive for the disease.

"While we are putting more weight on reactivation as the possible cause, we are conducting a comprehensive study on this," KCDC Director-General Jeong Eun-kyeong said, according to Bloomberg. "There have been many cases when a patient during treatment will test negative one day and positive another."

NPR reported late last month that similar cases were also discovered in Wuhan, China, where health officials say that some people who tested positive weeks ago for the virus have tested positive again, including two doctors treating patients with the virus.

NPR reported that a false positive is possible if a test picks up residual virus from the initial infection.  

Japan in February reported its first case of a person testing positive twice for the disease. Some health officials have warned that the virus could remain dormant in the body before reaching the lungs and causing havoc.

"Once you have the infection, it could remain dormant with minimal symptoms," New York University microbiology and pathology professor Philip Tierno Jr. told Reuters. "And then you can get an exacerbation if it finds its way into the lungs."

For similar reasons, one of the doctors who told NPR they experienced a second positive coronavirus test after a recovery questioned China's decision to not include asymptomatic carriers in its official case count. China is also not counting new cases found in people who previously had the virus in its official count, NPR noted.

"I have no idea why the authorities choose not to count [asymptomatic] cases in the official case count. I am baffled," the doctor reportedly said.

This is slightly troublesome.

If you test positive a second time for active disease versus immunity it almost suggests that your body was incapable of producing strong-enough and lasting antibodies to prevent you from reinfection. Either the virus mutates through replication enough times that antibodies aren't able to form towards all strains or we are simply not fully recovering from it. This virus' presentation might also be volatile in that it might have both peaks and troughs and moreover might be opportunistic in presenting itself during times of immunocompromise. To explain in a clearer way, maybe it has the viral profile of a HSV 1/2 (Herpes) in that once your body gets it, you are never free of the virus. You are able to recover from symptomatic presentation and/or combat viral replication with Valtrex, but the virus is never eradicated and during times of sickness, those sores resurface and case havoc. Heck, when people get very old and have a pretty weakened immune system, they can even develop HSV encephalitis leading to cerebral dysfunction (all due to Herpes). There are many viruses that behave that way (HIV + HPV are others, HIV certainly more deadly to both males/females with HPV really hurting females more via cervical CA).

I'm going to read up on this more and look up whatever literature has been recently published (via pubmed) to explore what might be going on.

Great find man,

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This is slightly troublesome.

If you test positive a second time for active disease versus immunity it almost suggests that your body was incapable of producing strong-enough and lasting antibodies to prevent you from reinfection. Either the virus mutates through replication enough times that antibodies aren't able to form towards all strains or we are simply not fully recovering from it. This virus' presentation might also be volatile in that it might have both peaks and troughs and moreover might be opportunistic in presenting itself during times of immunocompromise. To explain in a clearer way, maybe it has the viral profile of a HSV 1/2 (Herpes) in that once your body gets it, you are never free of the virus. You are able to recover from symptomatic presentation and/or combat viral replication with Valtrex, but the virus is never eradicated and during times of sickness, those sores resurface and case havoc. Heck, when people get very old and have a pretty weakened immune system, they can even develop HSV encephalitis leading to cerebral dysfunction (all due to Herpes). There are many viruses that behave that way (HIV + HPV are others, HIV certainly more deadly to both males/females with HPV really hurting females more via cervical CA).

I'm going to read up on this more and look up whatever literature has been recently published (via pubmed) to explore what might be going on.

Great find man,

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The viruses that do this "deactivate" (they stop replicating), their DNA/RNA will "sit" within cells of a cell type...

Like hpv for eg it genome will lie dormant in the base of the epithelia of genitals and face cells then can reactivate and start replicating again causing symptoms... You won't find anything of use published yet on this virus as they're has not been time to assess this function of the virus. Look at other viruses if you want to learn how they do this.

It's much more likely a testing anomaly or just some stragglers from infection, we are not talking very long time frames here from first infection. If it were months without symptoms and then flare up of symptoms that would make one wonder. Also they don't specify that there is any symptom flare up occurring, only says it's a few cases of positive retests.

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The viruses that do this "deactivate" (they stop replicating), their DNA/RNA will "sit" within cells of a cell type...

Much like Herpes is believed to hide out in the neurons around the spine during latent periods.

Like hpv for eg it genome will lie dormant in the base of the epithelia of genitals and face cells then can reactivate and start replicating again causing symptoms... You won't find anything of use published yet on this virus as they're has not been time to assess this function of the virus. Look at other viruses if you want to learn how they do this.

I'm going on whatever China has put out, as well as the CDC + WHO. What I was getting at in terms of research is more about looking up what these reinfection results (or repeat positive cases) are suggesting.

It's much more likely a testing anomaly or just some stragglers from infection, we are not talking very long time frames here from first infection. If it were months without symptoms and then flare up of symptoms that would make one wonder. Also they don't specify that there is any symptom flare up occurring, only says it's a few cases of positive retests.

It would be a bitch if symptomatic flare-up during viral reactivation leads to any one of the evident steps to systemic cascade events including PNA -> ARDS -> Septic shock/SIRS -> multiple system end organ failure. If that's the case, then we can start kissing our elderly and middle-aged friends with risk factors goodbye. All this assuming that antibodies formed during the first instance of infection are somehow incapable of priming you to cope with reactivation. But who knows, maybe by next year we will have both a vaccine and more potent/effective antivirals. I even read somewhere that some hospitals are utilizing interleukin inhibitors and showing some promise by way of results.

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This is troublesome indeed.  I have an uncle who just got out of the ICU yesterday.  It was looking pretty grim until a couple days ago.  Scared of him getting re-infected. 

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Re: More coronavirus patients testing positive again after recovery: report
« Reply #10 on: April 09, 2020, 06:14:54 PM »
If this doesn’t convince that this is man made virus then nothing will.


absolutely no way a virus this pervasive and resilient (they all are to a certain extent due to sequence spacing) could come from a viral lab near a fish market in a country known for selling prisoner organs on the black market, just no way. lets just talk about afro-american infection rates and presidential approval ratings.  talk about ass backwards society!

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Re: More coronavirus patients testing positive again after recovery: report
« Reply #11 on: April 09, 2020, 06:24:43 PM »

absolutely no way a virus this pervasive and resilient (they all are to a certain extent due to sequence spacing) could come from a viral lab near a fish market in a country known for selling prisoner organs on the black market, just no way. lets just talk about afro-american infection rates and presidential approval ratings.  talk about ass backwards society!

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Re: More coronavirus patients testing positive again after recovery: report
« Reply #13 on: April 09, 2020, 08:40:59 PM »
If this doesn’t convince that this is man made virus then nothing will.

? because natural evolved viruses cant mutate or become latent?  keep your tinfoil ignorance hat on and believe in the boogeyman

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Re: More coronavirus patients testing positive again after recovery: report
« Reply #14 on: April 09, 2020, 08:51:25 PM »
? because natural evolved viruses cant mutate or become latent?  keep your tinfoil ignorance hat on and believe in the boogeyman

the boogeyman has a name bro sheesh

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Re: More coronavirus patients testing positive again after recovery: report
« Reply #15 on: April 10, 2020, 02:19:00 AM »
Probably faulty tests, there’s been a lot of issues with those tests. The only other explanation is it’s like herpes and will kill us all.

The scam is in the testing. Either that,  or this second generation career politician is telling the truth😂😂😂


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Re: More coronavirus patients testing positive again after recovery: report
« Reply #16 on: April 10, 2020, 02:54:29 AM »
Coronavirus patients in South Korea are now testing positive for the virus a second time.......




I told you this 6 weeks ago when you were laughing about covid19

Completely missed the point.The first people cleared from this are showing up now in Wuhan "reinfected", the theory Is they never lost it in the first place, it just laid dormant and now has re-emerged.....

Let's just ignore the media completely and focus on what the scientific papers and statistics up until now are saying.Flu has an R-0 of 1.3, that means for every 1 person who gets flu, they infect 1.3 people.You have seen how the common flu has fucked shit up year by year and on occasions made many of your work/office not show up?The coronavirus in the latest studies has been shown to have an R-0 of 4-6, that means for every 1 person who has it, they infect 4-6 people.Flu has a death rate of 0.1%, the coronavirus on completed cases is killing 8%.Even if we use the uncompleted cases too with people who still have the virus, it's hovering around 2%.

Now add to that the possibility these figures all being wrong because nobody is being cured anyway.....


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Re: More coronavirus patients testing positive again after recovery: report
« Reply #17 on: April 10, 2020, 03:28:32 AM »
The scam is in the testing. Either that,  or this second generation career politician is telling the truth😂😂😂


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We have done more testing than any state in the nation, but we need to do even more.

Private companies: If you are interested in working with us to accelerate testing methods, call 212-803-3100 or email covid19supplies@esd.ny.gov.

NYC highest testing rate.

NYC highest deaths.

Coincidence or just chance?

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Re: More coronavirus patients testing positive again after recovery: report
« Reply #18 on: April 10, 2020, 03:36:11 AM »
There could be many explanations, some have already been pointed out.

Also nasal swabs which return a negative covid19 result doesn't necessarily mean the body is clear of the virus. It can remain in the gi tract for much longer and weeks after testing negative for a nasal swab you can still test positive for a faecal/anal swab.

Another possible explanation is that some people are only able to produce IgM antibodies. This is the antibody the the body produces at the start of the infection and it only lasts a few weeks. The body later also needs to produce IgG antibodies to give you immunity. It's possible that not everyone can produce IgG antibodies so reinfection becomes a possibility.

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Re: More coronavirus patients testing positive again after recovery: report
« Reply #19 on: April 10, 2020, 03:40:29 AM »
There could be many explanations, some have already been pointed out.

Also nasal swabs which return a negative covid19 result doesn't necessarily mean the body is clear of the virus. It can remain in the gi tract for much longer and weeks after testing negative for a nasal swab you can still test positive for a faecal/anal swab.

Another possible explanation is that some people are only able to produce IgM antibodies. This is the antibody the the body produces at the start of the infection and it only lasts a few weeks. The body later also needs to produce IgG antibodies to give you immunity. It's possible that not everyone can produce IgG antibodies so reinfection becomes a possibility.

the south koreans are not stupid and choose their words very carefully.If they are saying "putting more weight on reactivation being the possible cause", id be listening.

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Re: More coronavirus patients testing positive again after recovery: report
« Reply #20 on: April 10, 2020, 03:40:36 AM »
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It would be a bitch if symptomatic flare-up during viral reactivation leads to any one of the evident steps to systemic cascade events including PNA -> ARDS -> Septic shock/SIRS -> multiple system end organ failure. If that's the case, then we can start kissing our elderly and middle-aged friends with risk factors goodbye. All this assuming that antibodies formed during the first instance of infection are somehow incapable of priming you to cope with reactivation. But who knows, maybe by next year we will have both a vaccine and more potent/effective antivirals. I even read somewhere that some hospitals are utilizing interleukin inhibitors and showing some promise by way of results.

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Yes clearly this would be worst case^ as I said I'm not convinced until we see this type of thing actually happening over longer periods... Especially as I believe these repeat positives are relying on the antibody tests and not pcr. The antibody tests are prone to false negatives and are pretty unreliable or could be picking up a few antibodies that are hanging around shortly after the infection.

Either way if people with risk factors do their best to lay low wash hands etc, while the young catch it and Promote herd immunity will see the virus infection rate drop way down by then further reducing risk anyway.

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Re: More coronavirus patients testing positive again after recovery: report
« Reply #21 on: April 10, 2020, 03:41:33 AM »
NYC highest testing rate.

NYC highest deaths.

Coincidence or just chance?

On March 15, there were only 5 deaths. Then mass testing started and magically we’re in the thousands.



https://www.politico.com/states/new-york/albany/story/2020/03/15/de-blasio-nyc-schools-will-close-as-of-monday-may-not-reopen-this-year-1267141

As of Sunday afternoon, five New Yorkers have died from the coronavirus and 329 had been infected, de Blasio said.

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Re: More coronavirus patients testing positive again after recovery: report
« Reply #22 on: April 10, 2020, 03:44:30 AM »
the south koreans are not stupid and choose their words very carefully.If they are saying "putting more weight on reactivation being the possible cause", id be listening.

Ths sky is falling  ::) .......

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Re: More coronavirus patients testing positive again after recovery: report
« Reply #23 on: April 10, 2020, 03:45:37 AM »
There’s no cure for the flu either and deaths are still down about 40,000 to reach their yearly death cases

This year -

“CDC estimates that so far this season there have been at least 39 million flu illnesses, 400,000 hospitalizations and 24,000 deaths from flu”

Funny how you don’t hear about our hospitals bring overran with this

There is in fact a cure for the flu - the flu vaccine

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Re: More coronavirus patients testing positive again after recovery: report
« Reply #24 on: April 10, 2020, 03:47:07 AM »
Ths sky is falling  ::) .......

you have been wrong on everything for nearly 2 months now. Keep it up, Champ