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« Reply #200 on: May 09, 2020, 10:35:06 AM »
Let’s not fail to acknowledge the fact that most bb’s have mental issues. Picture force feeding one’s self and taking drugs purchased from unreliable underground sources for the sole purpose of changing the way we look. Pretty fucked up. Just look at where our sport has gone . . . 77 Mr. O ( and others ) all competitors came out in silhouette, each with a distinctive shape,  now (just look at the YouTube image a page back - you could interchange Luke’s head on the others body ( is it fouad ? ) and you can’t tell the difference.

Totally fucked.

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Most people in general have mental issues. Again, it’s a matter of realizing it and coping with it.

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« Reply #201 on: May 09, 2020, 10:43:25 AM »
Most people in general have mental issues. Again, it’s a matter of realizing it and coping with it.
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« Reply #202 on: May 09, 2020, 10:51:04 AM »
Do some research on how many on SSRI's commit suicide every year.  Does it ever strike you as odd that mental illness increases more and more every year?

It does not seem odd to me that the number of people identifying with mental illness increases. Not that long ago, people who were ill and their families hid it because it was something they were ashamed of. This has changed. More people who need it are seeking help.

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« Reply #203 on: May 09, 2020, 10:57:41 AM »
Most people in general have mental issues. Again, it’s a matter of realizing it and coping with it.

Agreed, 100%

I suffered (still suffer) with mental challenges - constant internal dialogues, over analyzing of comments people make, or their tone, fuck it destroyed my life. I drank for YEARS, to slow my mind down, I drank to the point where for the last 5 years I was drinking 30 cans of BudLight and a small 1/2 pint of vodka every day. I held down jobs, attended school etc. The alcohol destroyed my body, I had constant gout, high blood pressure etc.

This morning at 5:30 am in the pouring cold rain I set a new personal best running, my life has totally changed and I owe it in part to marijuana edibles. I eat 100mg per day ( I break it down in 25 or 50 mg - 4 to 2 times a day ) and my mind is calm, I focus on positive things, stretch and enjoy life. I am not advocating use of marijuana for anyone at all and I don't think anyone under 21 should use it. It costs me $3.00 a day and It has changed my life ( 3 years 5 months without a drop ) and the cessation of drinking was natural - I just stopped drinking.

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« Reply #204 on: May 09, 2020, 10:59:03 AM »
Are you against any and all "substances" that affect your mood, or are you against a certain subset of psych drugs?

Playing with your brain chemistry can be perilous but I'm mostly for it in principle.  Psych drugs can and do save a lot of lives, though of course some feel the mentally ill shouldn't be saved with drugs.
You are right that playing with brain chemistry can be perilous but I don't know about them saving lots of lives.  Many people's lives are completely destroyed by them even if they don't commit suicide.

I worked for a company that had an onsite doctor and he prescribed Xanax to every person who saw him for any kind of stress or depression issues.  Within a few months half of the women in the company were on them.  These were women who were single mothers, no man, some working 2 jobs and getting 5 or 6 hours of sleep a night.  They needed a change of lifestyle not drugs.

If a homeopathic doctor opened a clinic that prescribed herbs and talk therapy treated 100 patients and 1 died he would be put out of business, sued and probably sent to prison for practicing medicine without a license.  A psychiatrist can treat 100 people, 5 can kill themselves, 15 more can go crazy and 20 more can get worse and nothing happens because he is licensed. 

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« Reply #205 on: May 09, 2020, 11:58:27 AM »
Agreed, 100%

I suffered (still suffer) with mental challenges - constant internal dialogues, over analyzing of comments people make, or their tone, fuck it destroyed my life. I drank for YEARS, to slow my mind down, I drank to the point where for the last 5 years I was drinking 30 cans of BudLight and a small 1/2 pint of vodka every day. I held down jobs, attended school etc. The alcohol destroyed my body, I had constant gout, high blood pressure etc.

This morning at 5:30 am in the pouring cold rain I set a new personal best running, my life has totally changed and I owe it in part to marijuana edibles. I eat 100mg per day ( I break it down in 25 or 50 mg - 4 to 2 times a day ) and my mind is calm, I focus on positive things, stretch and enjoy life. I am not advocating use of marijuana for anyone at all and I don't think anyone under 21 should use it. It costs me $3.00 a day and It has changed my life ( 3 years 5 months without a drop ) and the cessation of drinking was natural - I just stopped drinking.

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Great - That’s some very positive news
Glad to hear it’s helped you no end.

Maybe I should get some & give them a try.

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« Reply #206 on: May 09, 2020, 12:16:29 PM »
Serious offer - I can send you a few samples if you are interested- no strings attached.

PM me if you are interested.

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« Reply #207 on: May 09, 2020, 12:39:30 PM »
Serious offer - I can send you a few samples if you are interested- no strings attached.

PM me if you are interested.

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Marijuana edibles and oils have risks as well. Using it even as prescribed, can cause severe migraines. Everything we put into our bodies carries some risk. I've tried prescription meds only to discover that the side effects were worse than the condition they were prescribed for. Case in point is Proscar, which my urologist prescribed and which I took for many years only to find out too late that it was causing me problems. Another long-term medication I was on Trazodone, was fixing one thing while causing another. Getting off of it was a bitch.

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« Reply #208 on: May 09, 2020, 12:42:33 PM »
Marijuana edibles and oils have risks as well. Using it even as prescribed, can cause severe migraines. Everything we put into our bodies carries some risk. I've tried prescription meds only to discover that the side effects were worse than the condition they were prescribed for. Case in point is Proscar, which my urologist prescribed and which I took for many years only to find out too late that it was causing me problems. Another long-term medication I was on Trazodone, was fixing one thing while causing another. Getting off of it was a bitch.

You are correct, they do and as you have indicated most things do. I believe in micro dosing - very small doses 10-15 mgs to start .

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« Reply #209 on: May 09, 2020, 12:50:44 PM »
Agreed, 100%

I suffered (still suffer) with mental challenges - constant internal dialogues, over analyzing of comments people make, or their tone, fuck it destroyed my life. I drank for YEARS, to slow my mind down, I drank to the point where for the last 5 years I was drinking 30 cans of BudLight and a small 1/2 pint of vodka every day. I held down jobs, attended school etc. The alcohol destroyed my body, I had constant gout, high blood pressure etc.

This morning at 5:30 am in the pouring cold rain I set a new personal best running, my life has totally changed and I owe it in part to marijuana edibles. I eat 100mg per day ( I break it down in 25 or 50 mg - 4 to 2 times a day ) and my mind is calm, I focus on positive things, stretch and enjoy life. I am not advocating use of marijuana for anyone at all and I don't think anyone under 21 should use it. It costs me $3.00 a day and It has changed my life ( 3 years 5 months without a drop ) and the cessation of drinking was natural - I just stopped drinking.

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I haven’t told many people and since we’re talking about Luke’s (among others) depression but on Wednesday I encountered a traumatic experience that triggered several other traumatic experiences from my past including one that happened 33 years ago that’s still very vivid almost on a daily basis...

A surfer died in the water on Wednesday morning in front of my house, we tried to save him but failed. We think he had a heart attack in the water. He was out there floating past the breakwater, there were already two surfers out there, I swam out to help pull  We think he had a heart attack in the water. He was out there for floating, pulled him in and started CPR until the lifeguards, paramedics and police came...we lost him.

We worked on him for about 20-30min even while the lifeguards, paramedics and police were there. We knew he was probably gone before we pulled him to shore. We were essentially working on a deceased man but still kept trying.

33 years ago I was working at a Chinese, Vietnamese and Korean night club in LA, it was a neutral zone for rival Asian gangs. Security consisted of off duty cops, all armed and we all very close friends. One night one of the gang members asked us if we could let his “cousin” in. We let him but he was warned if he drank he have to leave. Of course we caught him drinking, kicked him and he threatened to come back and kill us. We got that shit all the time and took it with a grain of salt.

1:45am I’m just inside the front entrance, Henry (Asian off duty Marshal) was at the back of the corridor, the guy we kicked out took a three point stance, one shot went about 3” above my head into the wall, three went into Henry, he dove behind a wall, I pulled his gun from his holster, myself and the other two off duty cops ran out in the middle of Valley Blvd shooting at the car, we hit the car but he got away. We ran in and Henry was a mess. He gave his dying declaration to all three of us. He was transported and died on the operating table, Doctor said he was shot with hollow points and there was nothing they could have done. His insides were destroyed beyond repair.

I (like many) have dealt with death a lot with family members and friends. I know those that have been in war, police, fire, hospital workers, etc see it all the time but traumatic episodes stick with you and I don’t think it something to get used too. Maybe at the time if you’ve seen it enough it might not bother you as much but from the cops and military that I’ve spoken too, it eventually catches up.

Even with what I’ve witnessed, I’ve had periods of depression and to this day still have night terrors. I can only imagine what others have gone through that have seen worse.   

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« Reply #210 on: May 09, 2020, 12:54:36 PM »
We all need Jesus in our lives, srs

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« Reply #211 on: May 09, 2020, 12:55:31 PM »
You are correct, they do and as you have indicated most things do. I believe in micro dosing - very small doses 10-15 mgs to start .

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After weening myself down from 300 mg of Trazodone to 50 mg, I concluded that any positive effect this tiny amount had on my ability sleep through the night was probably just psychological. When I decided to get off it completely, I discovered that quitting it had horrendous and potentially deadly side effects. A funny thing is that eventually the problem I had sleeping went away without help from the drug.

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« Reply #212 on: May 09, 2020, 12:56:03 PM »
We all need Jesus in our lives, srs

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« Reply #213 on: May 09, 2020, 01:07:44 PM »
I haven’t told many people and since we’re talking about Luke’s (among others) depression but on Wednesday I encountered a traumatic experience that triggered several other traumatic experiences from my past including one that happened 33 years ago that’s still very vivid almost on a daily basis...

A surfer died in the water on Wednesday morning in front of my house, we tried to save him but failed. We think he had a heart attack in the water. He was out there floating past the breakwater, there were already two surfers out there, I swam out to help pull  We think he had a heart attack in the water. He was out there for floating, pulled him in and started CPR until the lifeguards, paramedics and police came...we lost him.

We worked on him for about 20-30min even while the lifeguards, paramedics and police were there. We knew he was probably gone before we pulled him to shore. We were essentially working on a deceased man but still kept trying.

33 years ago I was working at a Chinese, Vietnamese and Korean night club in LA, it was a neutral zone for rival Asian gangs. Security consisted of off duty cops, all armed and we all very close friends. One night one of the gang members asked us if we could let his “cousin” in. We let him but he was warned if he drank he have to leave. Of course we caught him drinking, kicked him and he threatened to come back and kill us. We got that shit all the time and took it with a grain of salt.

1:45am I’m just inside the front entrance, Henry (Asian off duty Marshal) was at the back of the corridor, the guy we kicked out took a three point stance, one shot went about 3” above my head into the wall, three went into Henry, he dove behind a wall, I pulled his gun from his holster, myself and the other two off duty cops ran out in the middle of Valley Blvd shooting at the car, we hit the car but he got away. We ran in and Henry was a mess. He gave his dying declaration to all three of us. He was transported and died on the operating table, Doctor said he was shot with hollow points and there was nothing they could have done. His insides were destroyed beyond repair.

I (like many) have dealt with death a lot with family members and friends. I know those that have been in war, police, fire, hospital workers, etc see it all the time but traumatic episodes stick with you and I don’t think it something to get used too. Maybe at the time if you’ve seen it enough it might not bother you as much but from the cops and military that I’ve spoken too, it eventually catches up.

Even with what I’ve witnessed, I’ve had periods of depression and to this day still have night terrors. I can only imagine what others have gone through that have seen worse.

Wow, seriously impactful post, thanks for sharing.  I'd offer you and Prime a ample as well, however Cali has top quality products.

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« Reply #214 on: May 09, 2020, 01:46:54 PM »
Thank you for sharing. 


I haven’t told many people and since we’re talking about Luke’s (among others) depression but on Wednesday I encountered a traumatic experience that triggered several other traumatic experiences from my past including one that happened 33 years ago that’s still very vivid almost on a daily basis...

A surfer died in the water on Wednesday morning in front of my house, we tried to save him but failed. We think he had a heart attack in the water. He was out there floating past the breakwater, there were already two surfers out there, I swam out to help pull  We think he had a heart attack in the water. He was out there for floating, pulled him in and started CPR until the lifeguards, paramedics and police came...we lost him.

We worked on him for about 20-30min even while the lifeguards, paramedics and police were there. We knew he was probably gone before we pulled him to shore. We were essentially working on a deceased man but still kept trying.

33 years ago I was working at a Chinese, Vietnamese and Korean night club in LA, it was a neutral zone for rival Asian gangs. Security consisted of off duty cops, all armed and we all very close friends. One night one of the gang members asked us if we could let his “cousin” in. We let him but he was warned if he drank he have to leave. Of course we caught him drinking, kicked him and he threatened to come back and kill us. We got that shit all the time and took it with a grain of salt.

1:45am I’m just inside the front entrance, Henry (Asian off duty Marshal) was at the back of the corridor, the guy we kicked out took a three point stance, one shot went about 3” above my head into the wall, three went into Henry, he dove behind a wall, I pulled his gun from his holster, myself and the other two off duty cops ran out in the middle of Valley Blvd shooting at the car, we hit the car but he got away. We ran in and Henry was a mess. He gave his dying declaration to all three of us. He was transported and died on the operating table, Doctor said he was shot with hollow points and there was nothing they could have done. His insides were destroyed beyond repair.

I (like many) have dealt with death a lot with family members and friends. I know those that have been in war, police, fire, hospital workers, etc see it all the time but traumatic episodes stick with you and I don’t think it something to get used too. Maybe at the time if you’ve seen it enough it might not bother you as much but from the cops and military that I’ve spoken too, it eventually catches up.

Even with what I’ve witnessed, I’ve had periods of depression and to this day still have night terrors. I can only imagine what others have gone through that have seen worse.

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« Reply #215 on: May 09, 2020, 02:12:02 PM »
I haven’t told many people and since we’re talking about Luke’s (among others) depression but on Wednesday I encountered a traumatic experience that triggered several other traumatic experiences from my past including one that happened 33 years ago that’s still very vivid almost on a daily basis...

A surfer died in the water on Wednesday morning in front of my house, we tried to save him but failed. We think he had a heart attack in the water. He was out there floating past the breakwater, there were already two surfers out there, I swam out to help pull  We think he had a heart attack in the water. He was out there for floating, pulled him in and started CPR until the lifeguards, paramedics and police came...we lost him.

We worked on him for about 20-30min even while the lifeguards, paramedics and police were there. We knew he was probably gone before we pulled him to shore. We were essentially working on a deceased man but still kept trying.

33 years ago I was working at a Chinese, Vietnamese and Korean night club in LA, it was a neutral zone for rival Asian gangs. Security consisted of off duty cops, all armed and we all very close friends. One night one of the gang members asked us if we could let his “cousin” in. We let him but he was warned if he drank he have to leave. Of course we caught him drinking, kicked him and he threatened to come back and kill us. We got that shit all the time and took it with a grain of salt.

1:45am I’m just inside the front entrance, Henry (Asian off duty Marshal) was at the back of the corridor, the guy we kicked out took a three point stance, one shot went about 3” above my head into the wall, three went into Henry, he dove behind a wall, I pulled his gun from his holster, myself and the other two off duty cops ran out in the middle of Valley Blvd shooting at the car, we hit the car but he got away. We ran in and Henry was a mess. He gave his dying declaration to all three of us. He was transported and died on the operating table, Doctor said he was shot with hollow points and there was nothing they could have done. His insides were destroyed beyond repair.

I (like many) have dealt with death a lot with family members and friends. I know those that have been in war, police, fire, hospital workers, etc see it all the time but traumatic episodes stick with you and I don’t think it something to get used too. Maybe at the time if you’ve seen it enough it might not bother you as much but from the cops and military that I’ve spoken too, it eventually catches up.

Even with what I’ve witnessed, I’ve had periods of depression and to this day still have night terrors. I can only imagine what others have gone through that have seen worse.
That is some crazy shit.  There is a therapy where you walk at a fast past while reliving a traumatic event like this in your mind and it is supposed to give great relief but I can't remember what it's called.  It has to do with the pineal gland I think.  Each night when you sleep the brain sorts out everything that has happened in the last 24 hours but with traumatic events it doesn't know what to do with them and so it just stays there.  This makes it feel like you are reliving the event over and over everyday.

edit*  I think it's the pituitary gland, not the pineal.

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« Reply #216 on: May 09, 2020, 02:39:57 PM »
That is some crazy shit.  There is a therapy where you walk at a fast past while reliving a traumatic event like this in your mind and it is supposed to give great relief but I can't remember what it's called.  It has to do with the pineal gland I think.  Each night when you sleep the brain sorts out everything that has happened in the last 24 hours but with traumatic events it doesn't know what to do with them and so it just stays there.  This makes it feel like you are reliving the event over and over everyday.

I'm seeing what you mean with my "third eye".

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« Reply #217 on: May 09, 2020, 03:16:05 PM »
You know what's fucked up is that they prescribe SSRI'S like candy, but try to get prescription for test is serious process, highly unlikely you'll get a script from an endocrinologist and if you do it will be a minimal dose.

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« Reply #218 on: May 09, 2020, 03:44:24 PM »
You know what's fucked up is that they prescribe SSRI'S like candy, but try to get prescription for test is serious process, highly unlikely you'll get a script from an endocrinologist and if you do it will be a minimal dose.

What would be a minimal testosterone dosage, in your opinion? Why would any doctor prescribe testosterone to a patient whose test levels were normal?

I have low testosterone, the only process I've gone through and continue to go through is periodic labs to determine my test levels (currently once a year).

It is fucked up when doctors prescribe SSRI's to people who don't need them. It is jut a fucked up for a doctor to prescribe testosterone to someone who doesn't need it.

The problem is that there is no easy or absolute way to know when someone is depressed enough to warrant a prescription for SSRI's. As best as I know there is no blood test that measures someone's level of depression.

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« Reply #219 on: May 09, 2020, 03:45:05 PM »
I'm seeing what you mean with my "third eye".
I think it's the pituitary gland.

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« Reply #220 on: May 09, 2020, 03:48:45 PM »
I think it's the pituitary gland.

It's the amygdala, you dope, that sensitizes the person to threats, thus leading to PTSD symptoms.

Although many structures of the brain are included (maybe pineal), amygdala has been implicated in trauma memories, as it influences fear conditioning.
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« Reply #221 on: May 09, 2020, 03:54:55 PM »
It's the amygdala, you dope, that sensitizes the person to threats, thus leading to PTSD symptoms.

Although many structures of the brain are included (maybe pineal), amygdala has been implicated in trauma memories, as it influences fear conditioning.
Thanks.  With all your knowledge you should get promoted at your shitty job.

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« Reply #222 on: May 09, 2020, 03:56:17 PM »
Thanks.  With all your knowledge you should get promoted at your shitty job.

Want to call my boss at Auto Zone and request I receive a promotion?

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« Reply #223 on: May 09, 2020, 04:02:40 PM »
Thanks.  With all your knowledge you should get promoted at your shitty job.

Actually, the three parts of the brain that are most affected by trauma are the amygdala, hippocampus and prefrontal cortex.

Interestingly enough, and not surprisingly, we are learning more and more that trauma is rooted in the body and that body has the "capacity to store memory." This is why children who are traumatized pre-verbal and have no memory of the abuse, still experiences heightened reactivity on a physiological level, as their central nervous systems have been altered and are now in a constant state of danger. Part of it is physiological and part of it is cognitive appraisal, i.e., how we appraise events in our daily lives. People with trauma have different cognitive appraisals of events compared to non-traumatized people.

I have never heard of any therapy that involved fast walking/pacing, but that treatment would be consistent with the move toward bodily mastery in trauma work, as previously described, trauma is rooted in the body (see Bessel Van der Kolk).
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« Reply #224 on: May 09, 2020, 04:23:09 PM »
Actually, the three parts of the brain that are most affected by trauma are the amygdala, hippocampus and prefrontal cortex.

Interestingly enough, and not surprisingly, we are learning more and more that trauma is rooted in the body and that body has the "capacity to store memory." This is why children who are traumatized pre-verbal and have no memory of the abuse, still experiences heightened reactivity on a physiological level, as their central nervous systems have been altered and are now in a constant state of danger. Part of it is physiological and part of it is cognitive appraisal, i.e., how we appraise events in our daily lives. People with trauma have different cognitive appraisals of events compared to non-traumatized people.

I have never heard of any therapy that involved fast walking/pacing, but that treatment would be consistent with the move toward bodily mastery in trauma work, as previously described, trauma is rooted in the body (see Bessel Van der Kolk).

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