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[Primemuscle]

It's the amygdala, you dope, that sensitizes the person to threats, thus leading to PTSD symptoms.

Although many structures of the brain are included (maybe pineal), amygdala has been implicated in trauma memories, as it influences fear conditioning.

My pineal may malfunction based on the size of my reproductive bits and bedtime disorders. Trazodone did some of the work  until I switched to melatonin when I realized that was what was being shortchanged thus fucking up my pituiatary which I've helped along with testosterone cypionate. On the otherhand, if I'd just spent more time in the dark everything might have been fine. 

[Matt]

My pineal may malfunction based on the size of my reproductive bits and bedtime disorders. Trazodone did some of the work  until I switched to melatonin when I realized that was what was being shortchanged thus fucking up my pituiatary which I've helped along with testosterone cypionate. On the otherhand, if I'd just spent more time in the dark everything might have been fine.

For some reason, I thought you mentioned you had ingested Zopiclone at one point.

I was planning to move to Hayden's Island...until this lock down happened.

[Primemuscle]

For some reason, I thought you mentioned you had ingested Zopiclone at one point.

I was planning to move to Hayden's Island...until this lock down happened.

Nope. -Never took Zopiclone, but it is also used to treat insomnia. Trazodone is actually an anti-depressant which has been around forever. Doctors prescribe it off label for sleep issues.

I half way believe you regarding Hayden Island. Sauvie Island is more remote and still commuting distance to Portland.

Sauvie Island - one of a few beaches


Hayden Island houseboats.

[Matt]

Nope. -Never took Zopiclone, but it is also used to treat insomnia. Trazodone is actually an anti-depressant which has been around forever. Doctors prescribe it off label for sleep issues.

I half way believe you regarding Hayden Island. Sauvie Island is more remote and still commuting distance to Portland.

Wow.  I need to look up Sauvie Island on Google Maps immediately.  I didn't realize that Portland had an island, and I wanted to live there immediately.  It's probably nice, safe, and 99% WHITE [which is why it is nice and safe].

[Van_Bilderass]

Nope. -Never took Zopiclone, but it is also used to treat insomnia. Trazodone is actually an anti-depressant which has been around forever. Doctors prescribe it off label for sleep issues.

I half way believe you regarding Hayden Island. Sauvie Island is more remote and still commuting distance to Portland.

Sauvie Island - one of a few beaches


Hayden Island houseboats.

Trazodone is "nothing", you want to talk fucked up drugs, you have the z-drugs, zolpidem and zopiclone. Basically everyone who has used them alot has some story about fucked up things happening. I have a couple myself. On another forum one guy took a massive OD of DNP after having taken Ambien, he ended up having a heart attack and flatlining IIRC, resulting in a long rehab period and like a year later he's still not 100%.

[Humble Narcissist]

Actually, the three parts of the brain that are most affected by trauma are the amygdala, hippocampus and prefrontal cortex.

Interestingly enough, and not surprisingly, we are learning more and more that trauma is rooted in the body and that body has the "capacity to store memory." This is why children who are traumatized pre-verbal and have no memory of the abuse, still experiences heightened reactivity on a physiological level, as their central nervous systems have been altered and are now in a constant state of danger. Part of it is physiological and part of it is cognitive appraisal, i.e., how we appraise events in our daily lives. People with trauma have different cognitive appraisals of events compared to non-traumatized people.

I have never heard of any therapy that involved fast walking/pacing, but that treatment would be consistent with the move toward bodily mastery in trauma work, as previously described, trauma is rooted in the body (see Bessel Van der Kolk).

Yes, it was the hippocampus I was thinking of after all.  Have your manager call me.

[SF1900]

Yes, it was the hippocampus I was thinking of after all.  Have your manager call me.

That would also makes sense.

Continued trauma exposure has shown to result in a reduced volume/smaller hippocampus compared to non-traumatized people.

I do know that the hippocampus play a role in distinguishing/discriminating between past and present experiences, which would take into account the traumatized person's experience of hypervigilance (always be on guard) and other PTSD symptoms, if they have more trouble discriminating between the past and present, thus interpreting a present experience as dangerous when it is not (e.g., a traumatized person may experience a current situation as life threatening when it is not).

Judith Herman, probably one of the most profound people in the trauma field, talked about big "T" trauma and little "t" trauma. In that regard, we will all experience some form of trauma, whether it be small trauma or large trauma. Most of us experience little "t" trauma or single events of trauma, instead of big "T" trauma or Complex Trauma (which is repeated chronic trauma over a long period of time, usually by caregivers, its invasive, and of course, interpersonal in nature, and is repetitive and prolonged--this usually occurs in childhood).

One of the more interesting that I have discovered is the body as politic (Body Politic). The body itself acts as countries or states do, in the sense that the body has physical and mental boundaries, just like states and countries (more physical boundaries). When people are traumatized, especially sexually traumatized at a young age, there is often a sense of invasion of outsiders, i.e., a cross of the physical boundary into the body, in which the person no longer even feels safe in their own body. Even with people who are not traumatized, we have an instinctual nature to not let foreign agents invade our space, whether its our physical or mental space, cultural space, or country space. One can imagine the extreme sense of bodily violation when a 4-year-old is sexually abused and the lasting implications on the body politic--the fear of letting anyone in, getting close to anyone, etc--in the traumatized world, the person perceives everyone as a foreign agent, encroaching upon their physical and mental safety.

PS-I love talking about this stuff.

[Army of One]

That would also makes sense.

Continued trauma exposure has shown to result in a reduced volume/smaller hippocampus compared to non-traumatized people.

I do know that the hippocampus play a role in distinguishing/discriminating between past and present experiences, which would take into account the traumatized person's experience of hypervigilance (always be on guard) and other PTSD symptoms, if they have more trouble discriminating between the past and present, thus interpreting a present experience as dangerous when it is not (e.g., a traumatized person may experience a current situation as life threatening when it is not).

Judith Herman, probably one of the most profound people in the trauma field, talked about big "T" trauma and little "t" trauma. In that regard, we will all experience some form of trauma, whether it be small trauma or large trauma. Most of us experience little "t" trauma or single events of trauma, instead of big "T" trauma or Complex Trauma (which is repeated chronic trauma over a long period of time, usually by caregivers, its invasive, and of course, interpersonal in nature, and is repetitive and prolonged--this usually occurs in childhood).

One of the more interesting that I have discovered is the body as politic (Body Politic). The body itself acts as countries or states do, in the sense that the body has physical and mental boundaries, just like states and countries (more physical boundaries). When people are traumatized, especially sexually traumatized at a young age, there is often a sense of invasion of outsiders, i.e., a cross of the physical boundary into the body, in which the person no longer even feels safe in their own body. Even with people who are not traumatized, we have an instinctual nature to not let foreign agents invade our space, whether its our physical or mental space, cultural space, or country space. One can imagine the extreme sense of bodily violation when a 4-year-old is sexually abused and the lasting implications on the body politic--the fear of letting anyone in, getting close to anyone, etc--in the traumatized world, the person perceives everyone as a foreign agent, encroaching upon their physical and mental safety.

PS-I love talking about this stuff.

10/10 for google copy>pasting>editing.

[SF1900]

Yes, it was the hippocampus I was thinking of after all.  Have your manager call me.

I gave my manager your phone number. Did he call you? 

[SF1900]

Keep writing. I’m learning a lot here. Seriously

More often than not, the traumatized person lives between two worlds: the traumatize world vs. the non-traumatized world. Life becomes increasingly problematic attempting to navigate both worlds. One can imagine that the vacillation between both worlds can lead to a host of problems. The problem is the person has different self-states and and has not integrated their traumatic experience into their overall sense of being--a complete integrated narrative.

[Primemuscle]

Trazodone is "nothing", you want to talk fucked up drugs, you have the z-drugs, zolpidem and zopiclone. Basically everyone who has used them alot has some story about fucked up things happening. I have a couple myself. On another forum one guy took a massive OD of DNP after having taken Ambien, he ended up having a heart attack and flatlining IIRC, resulting in a long rehab period and like a year later he's still not 100%.

I'll pass. Truthfully, I don't like taking anything that is mind altering or that dopes me up so I don't feel any pain. I tried two recreational drugs, pot a couple of times and LSD once when I was in my 20's. LSD was interesting. I had a good trip but once was enough. Pot did nothing for me.

[Primemuscle]

That would also makes sense.

Continued trauma exposure has shown to result in a reduced volume/smaller hippocampus compared to non-traumatized people.

I do know that the hippocampus play a role in distinguishing/discriminating between past and present experiences, which would take into account the traumatized person's experience of hypervigilance (always be on guard) and other PTSD symptoms, if they have more trouble discriminating between the past and present, thus interpreting a present experience as dangerous when it is not (e.g., a traumatized person may experience a current situation as life threatening when it is not).

Judith Herman, probably one of the most profound people in the trauma field, talked about big "T" trauma and little "t" trauma. In that regard, we will all experience some form of trauma, whether it be small trauma or large trauma. Most of us experience little "t" trauma or single events of trauma, instead of big "T" trauma or Complex Trauma (which is repeated chronic trauma over a long period of time, usually by caregivers, its invasive, and of course, interpersonal in nature, and is repetitive and prolonged--this usually occurs in childhood).

One of the more interesting that I have discovered is the body as politic (Body Politic). The body itself acts as countries or states do, in the sense that the body has physical and mental boundaries, just like states and countries (more physical boundaries). When people are traumatized, especially sexually traumatized at a young age, there is often a sense of invasion of outsiders, i.e., a cross of the physical boundary into the body, in which the person no longer even feels safe in their own body. Even with people who are not traumatized, we have an instinctual nature to not let foreign agents invade our space, whether its our physical or mental space, cultural space, or country space. One can imagine the extreme sense of bodily violation when a 4-year-old is sexually abused and the lasting implications on the body politic--the fear of letting anyone in, getting close to anyone, etc--in the traumatized world, the person perceives everyone as a foreign agent, encroaching upon their physical and mental safety.

PS-I love talking about this stuff.

What are you thoughts about the effects of possibly less traumatic events on a child's psyche? These could be mental or physical, but I am thinking more about the mental traumas, like abandonment and lack of a loving, caring parent for periods of time during preadolescence, repeatedly witnessing violent physical and emotional conflicts between one's parents or dramatic acts, such attempted suicides.   

[Army of One]

What are you thoughts about the effects of possibly less traumatic events on a child's psyche? These could be mental or physical, but I am thinking more about the mental traumas, like abandonment and lack of a loving, caring parent for periods of time during preadolescence, repeatedly witnessing violent physical and emotional conflicts between one's parents or dramatic acts, such attempted suicides.   

Well, i studied this and the majority of children and adolescents manifest resilience in the aftermath of traumatic experiences. This is especially true of single-incident exposure. Youths who have been exposed to multiple traumas, have a past history of anxiety problems, or have experienced family adversity are likely to be at higher risk of showing symptoms of posttraumatic stress. Despite exposure to traumatic events and experiencing short-term distress, most children and adolescents return to their previous levels of functioning after several weeks or months and resume a normal developmental course. This resilience typically results in a reduction in both psychological distress and physiological arousal.

Research has provided evidence about predictors of trauma recovery, although there are no perfect predictors. Recovery can be impeded by individual and family factors, the severity of ongoing life stressors, community stress, prior trauma exposure, psychiatric comorbidities, and ongoing safety concerns. Also, poverty and racism can make this recovery much more difficult. Caretakers are affected by children’s exposure to trauma, and their responses affect children’s reactions to trauma. On a positive note, individual, family, cultural, and community strengths can facilitate recovery and promote resilience. Social, community, and governmental support networks are critical for recovery, particularly when an entire community is affected, as when natural disasters occur.

[SF1900]

What are you thoughts about the effects of possibly less traumatic events on a child's psyche? These could be mental or physical, but I am thinking more about the mental traumas, like abandonment and lack of a loving, caring parent for periods of time during preadolescence, repeatedly witnessing violent physical and emotional conflicts between one's parents or dramatic acts, such attempted suicides.   

Actually, emotional abandonment and neglect (mental and physical) have shown greater negative effects when compared to child physical abuse. The reason so, is that when the parent is abusing a child, the child still has an ongoing relationship with the abuser (parent). Furthermore, the parent is not always abusive, as there are times when the parent is good and loving. The child still has an attachment to the parent, even though its an attachment that goes back and forth between viewing the person as loving and viewing the parent as dangerous. However, with neglect and abandonment, there is no love, no attachment, not even a negative attachment. and the child is left to fend for themselves. In many ways, this is even worse than being physically abused by a parent.

[Primemuscle]

Well, i studied this and the majority of children and adolescents manifest resilience in the aftermath of traumatic experiences. This is especially true of single-incident exposure. Youths who have been exposed to multiple traumas, have a past history of anxiety problems, or have experienced family adversity are likely to be at higher risk of showing symptoms of posttraumatic stress. Despite exposure to traumatic events and experiencing short-term distress, most children and adolescents return to their previous levels of functioning after several weeks or months and resume a normal developmental course. This resilience typically results in a reduction in both psychological distress and physiological arousal.

Research has provided evidence about predictors of trauma recovery, although there are no perfect predictors. Recovery can be impeded by individual and family factors, the severity of ongoing life stressors, community stress, prior trauma exposure, psychiatric comorbidities, and ongoing safety concerns. Also, poverty and racism can make this recovery much more difficult. Caretakers are affected by children’s exposure to trauma, and their responses affect children’s reactions to trauma. On a positive note, individual, family, cultural, and community strengths can facilitate recovery and promote resilience. Social, community, and governmental support networks are critical for recovery, particularly when an entire community is affected, as when natural disasters occur.

So, long story short, time heals the cut but a scar remains. Repeated cuts result in bigger scars. Would you agree that much of our adult personality traits are a result of our childhood experiences?

[Primemuscle]

Actually, emotional abandonment and neglect (mental and physical) have shown greater negative effects when compared to child physical abuse. The reason so, is that when the parent is abusing a child, the child still has an ongoing relationship with the abuser (parent). Furthermore, the parent is not always abusive, as there are times when the parent is good and loving. The child still has an attachment to the parent, even though its an attachment that goes back and forth between viewing the person as loving and viewing the parent as dangerous. However, with neglect and abandonment, there is no love, no attachment, not even a negative attachment. and the child is left to fend for themselves. In many ways, this is even worse than being physically abused by a parent.

What happens when the abandonment is intermittent? Say, for example a parent is unable or unfit to care for their child so others take on the responsibility but only for a limited period of time resulting in the child being shuffled from one caregiver to another? Then to complicate things further, at some point in the child's youth, but before adolescence, they return to living with their parent on a permanent basis?

[SF1900]

What happens when the abandonment is intermittent? Say, for example a parent is unable or unfit to care for their child so others take on the responsibility but only for a limited period of time resulting in the child being shuffled from one caregiver to another? Then to complicate things further, at some point in the child's youth, but before adolescence, they return to living with their parent on a permanent basis?

It's almost impossible to say what will happen. Are other caregivers caring and loving? How many transitions has the child had? Who are these other caregivers? When the parents received the child back in their care, how do they act? Too many variables to discuss a potential outcome.

[Primemuscle]

It's almost impossible to say what will happen. Are other caregivers caring and loving? How many transitions has the child had? Who are these other caregivers? When the parents received the child back in their care, how do they act? Too many variables to discuss a potential outcome.

I agree with you the situation I offered is rife with variables. Way too many variables. But then, variety is the spice of life....or so some say. 

[SF1900]

I agree with you the situation I offered is rife with variables. Way too many variables. But then, variety is the spice of life....or so some say. 

Mr. Vince Goodrum, PhD, CSN, MFT, HPP, CEO, is the spice of life!

[Methyl m1ke]

Actually, emotional abandonment and neglect (mental and physical) have shown greater negative effects when compared to child physical abuse. The reason so, is that when the parent is abusing a child, the child still has an ongoing relationship with the abuser (parent). Furthermore, the parent is not always abusive, as there are times when the parent is good and loving. The child still has an attachment to the parent, even though its an attachment that goes back and forth between viewing the person as loving and viewing the parent as dangerous. However, with neglect and abandonment, there is no love, no attachment, not even a negative attachment. and the child is left to fend for themselves. In many ways, this is even worse than being physically abused by a parent.

I can attest as growing up i was left to fend for myself as an.only child. I was psychologically tortured by an alcoholic step father and abandoned by both my bio father and my mother. I wont say im doing well in life, but i could certainly be worse off. Never married, no kids, no stable relationships. Sometimes i think i woukd be better off dead tell you the truth.

[SF1900]

I can attest as growing up i was left to fend for myself as an.only child. I was psychologically tortured by an alcoholic step father and abandoned by both my bio father and my mother. I wont say im doing well in life, but i could certainly be worse off. Never married, no kids, no stable relationships. Sometimes i think i woukd be better off dead tell you the truth.

I assume you're not trolling, so I am sorry to hear that.

Neglect/abandonment can definitely be worse than many other forms of trauma. There is no feeling like not being witnessed/seen/heard/understood.

[TTfit]

I can attest as growing up i was left to fend for myself as an.only child. I was psychologically tortured by an alcoholic step father and abandoned by both my bio father and my mother. I wont say im doing well in life, but i could certainly be worse off. Never married, no kids, no stable relationships. Sometimes i think i woukd be better off dead tell you the truth.

Sorry to hear this bro.

[Primemuscle]

I can attest as growing up i was left to fend for myself as an.only child. I was psychologically tortured by an alcoholic step father and abandoned by both my bio father and my mother. I wont say im doing well in life, but i could certainly be worse off. Never married, no kids, no stable relationships. Sometimes i think i woukd be better off dead tell you the truth.

I'm speechless. Are you being serious?

[IroNat]

I can attest as growing up i was left to fend for myself as an.only child. I was psychologically tortured by an alcoholic step father and abandoned by both my bio father and my mother. I wont say im doing well in life, but i could certainly be worse off. Never married, no kids, no stable relationships. Sometimes i think i woukd be better off dead tell you the truth.

Look on the bright side.

[Coach is Back!]

I can attest as growing up i was left to fend for myself as an.only child. I was psychologically tortured by an alcoholic step father and abandoned by both my bio father and my mother. I wont say im doing well in life, but i could certainly be worse off. Never married, no kids, no stable relationships. Sometimes i think i woukd be better off dead tell you the truth.

I’ve always found, for me at least, it’s better to open up and talk to someone about it. Last night was a bad night for me, I had terrors, wife woke me and we spent the rest of the early morning just talking