Ahmaud Arbery - Discussion

[tommywishbone]

Well, you're in good company: Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot, Hitler, Saddam Hussein, Kim Jung Un.... your parents must be proud.

My goodness, that escalated quickly.

[pellius]

why shouldn't they be proud?  i'm an honest citizen that doesn't hurt anybody or cause anything even slightly resembling a disturbance

what horrible things have you done in your life since i'm such an "angel" in your eyes?

E

You don't hurt anybody simply because you don't have the power and authority to do so. By your own admission, you would murder people that you deem, based on your own preferences and prejudices, unfit to live. You don't seem to recognize that base on that criterion that can easily be turned against you.

Like, everybody on this planet, including you (except you simply lie about the purity of your character which is in itself a vice), I am a very flawed person. I've done things that were wrong and I've done things that I regret. "In my eyes" you are no angel but just like a lot of people you think that you are better than you really are. Just the fact that you would like to murder people because, as in the case of Ahmaud, you just don't like the way he looks, the way he speaks, that he parks on the side of the road, that he stole a TV, and that he was, presumably (not proven) casing out a neighborhood.

People, especially boys when they are in their teens, get into trouble, most turn their lives around. I gave a brief bio on Steve McQueen in the Don Johnson thread. If it was up to you, you would have murdered him because he was a punk and a thief in his teens. Then we would have never had that car chase scene in "Bullitt". Imagine what kind of world we would have had without that?

By all accounts, Ahmaud was a punk. But he didn't deserve to get killed.

[sarcafago]

By your own admission, you would murder people that you deem, based on your own preferences and prejudices, unfit to live.

[irishdave]

apparently, I have affected your well being - to commit my threads to memory.
Maybe if you weren't so devoted to a criminal presidency, you wouldn't have to live in fear about his fate.

Speaking of shame - which president golfs with 100,000 American's dead?? Oh yeah, the orange turd.
Trump voter rationale "But he protects my white privilege, so its ok"

I honestly think you must be a troll

Do white people like you really exist?

You are the epitome of beta

[Body-Buildah]

I honestly think you must be a troll

Do white people like you really exist?

You are the epitome of beta

the new batman twink would think that dearth is a fembot beta

[Earl1972]

You don't hurt anybody simply because you don't have the power and authority to do so. By your own admission, you would murder people that you deem, based on your own preferences and prejudices, unfit to live. You don't seem to recognize that base on that criterion that can easily be turned against you.

Like, everybody on this planet, including you (except you simply lie about the purity of your character which is in itself a vice), I am a very flawed person. I've done things that were wrong and I've done things that I regret. "In my eyes" you are no angel but just like a lot of people you think that you are better than you really are. Just the fact that you would like to murder people because, as in the case of Ahmaud, you just don't like the way he looks, the way he speaks, that he parks on the side of the road, that he stole a TV, and that he was, presumably (not proven) casing out a neighborhood.

People, especially boys when they are in their teens, get into trouble, most turn their lives around. I gave a brief bio on Steve McQueen in the Don Johnson thread. If it was up to you, you would have murdered him because he was a punk and a thief in his teens. Then we would have never had that car chase scene in "Bullitt". Imagine what kind of world we would have had without that?

By all accounts, Ahmaud was a punk. But he didn't deserve to get killed.

where did i say i would murder anybody?  i said i'm glad he's dead, doesn't mean i would want to pull the trigger

E

[Primemuscle]

I love these posts that make it seem like a citizen's arrest - something legal in every single state in the USA, and every single province and territory in Canada, as well as most other civilized nations of the world.  A citizen's right is not only extraordinarily common - it is extremely necessary.

How do you suppose Wal-Mart security guards are able to legally hold shoplifters until the police arrive and properly charge them?

Some of the comments on here talking purporting citizen's arrest to be some difficult or rarely used area of law is simply not the case.  It is hugely practiced, and when they unofficially stopped practicing it in Thunder Bay around two years ago because of "that's racist!!!11", groups of Indigenous young males would go into the LCBO [Liquor Control Board of Ontario - Canada's liquor stores where the bottle of ALBERTA Premium Whisky that you American Getbiggers pay $9 for in the USA, WHICH INCLUDES THE COST OF IMPORTING IT ACROSS A NATIONAL BORDER INTO YOUR SOCIETY, costs US CANADIAN GETBIGGERS UNDER GLORIOUS SOCIALISM $54 for the SAME BOTTLE, which is produced domestically, only a few provinces own the highway.

The Indigenous young males would walk in together and just steal a 1.75L bottle each and just leave, LOL.  Because preventing an Indigenous person in Canada from committing a crime is "racist colonialism", blah, blah, blah:

https://www.aptnnews.ca/national-news/thunder-bay-police-charge-shoppers-drug-mart-security-guard-with-assault/

LOL.

And back to those prices, LOL!!!

But hey - we may pay more for ONE 60-oz bottle of 40% spirits than Americans pay for SIX of the same bottle [literally, at the duty-free border shoppe in Grande Portage, MN, I would pay $10 per bottle of Alberta Premium [Canadian] Whisky, but get $1 off when I buy six bottles [Manager's Special], making the cost $54 for six bottles - when ONE such bottle costs $62.40 IN CANADA, WHERE THE SPECIFIC ALCOHOL IN QUESTION IS PRODUCED, LOL!!!

AH, SOCIALISM.  And the dummies here in Canada who think paying DOUBLE for everything is somehow a good deal because we get "free" government services that we could easily pay for if so much of our money wasn't taxed, and spent on overpriced/inflated Canadian products.

LOL @ this [Canada]:

https://www.lcbo.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/en/lcbo/alberta-premium-whisky-%28pet%29-54213#.XsjhkDpKjIU

Meanwhile in the more [for now] capitalist USA, you pay $10 for the same bottle, but you get $1 off per bottle when you buy six, making 6x bottles of 1.75L Alberta Premium Whisky in the USA cost Americans $8.40 LESS than ONE bottle costs Canadians:

http://www.rydensborderstore.com/duty-free.html

LOL!!!!!!!!!! @ socialism.

Anyone who makes a citizen's arrest can find themselves facing possible lawsuits or criminal charges – such as charges of false imprisonment, unlawful restraint, kidnapping, or wrongful arrest – if the wrong person is apprehended or a suspect's civil rights are violated.

[pellius]

where did i say i would murder anybody?  i said i'm glad he's dead, doesn't mean i would want to pull the trigger

E

Remember when I asked you this?

So, you believe that anyone you think, based on your own personal preferences and bias, that thugs, punks, undesirables, or trouble makers regardless if they have committed a capital crime should be executed?

You said you would be fine with that. If you want people put to death based on your own personal preferences and bias but don't have the guts to do it yourself doesn't relieve you of responsibility. Do you think Pol Pot killed 2/3 of his own people by himself?

[pellius]

Anyone who makes a citizen's arrest can find themselves facing possible lawsuits or criminal charges – such as charges of false imprisonment, unlawful restraint, kidnapping, or wrongful arrest – if the wrong person is apprehended or a suspect's civil rights are violated.

And the claim that citizens arrests are very common is just laughable. For some inexplicable reason I have a soft spot for Matt but, jeez, he's really out there.

[Earl1972]

Remember when I asked you this?

You said you would be fine with that. If you want people put to death based on your own personal preferences and bias but don't have the guts to do it yourself doesn't relieve you of responsibility. Do you think Pol Pot killed 2/3 of his own people by himself?

i would be fine in the sense that i wouldn't cry or lose any sleep over it, doesn't mean i would kill them myself if i could get away with it whether you think it is lacking guts or whatever

i don't have the responsibility to mourn the loss of those that act like parasites, that is why i would be fine

E

[pellius]

i would be fine in the sense that i wouldn't cry or lose any sleep over it, doesn't mean i would kill them myself if i could get away with it whether you think it is lacking guts or whatever

i don't have the responsibility to mourn the loss of those that act like parasites, that is why i would be fine

E

Again, that was my point. You have no problem having others kill based on your own personal preferences and prejudices but leave the dirty work to others. I get it.

[Earl1972]

Again, that was my point. You have no problem having others kill based on your own personal preferences and prejudices but leave the dirty work to others. I get it.

so i'm a pussy because i wouldn't kill them myself, is that what you are saying?

i have to care about the lives of everybody that are nothing but a nuisance and would hurt me if they thought it was to their benefit?

i had a coworker years ago that drowned while on vacation, i hated his guts and work was a lot more peaceful with him being gone so no i didn't mourn his death, should i have drowned him myself to have your respect?

E

[pellius]

so i'm a pussy because i wouldn't kill them myself, is that what you are saying?

i have to care about the lives of everybody that are nothing but a nuisance and would hurt me if they thought it was to their benefit?

i had a coworker years ago that drowned while on vacation, i hated his guts and work was a lot more peaceful with him being gone so no i didn't mourn his death, should i have drowned him myself to have your respect?

E

You don't see the difference in someone drowning in an accident and someone holding his head underwater until he drowns to death? Would you have felt the same way that instead of drowning on vacation that he was murdered instead?

[Earl1972]

You don't see the difference in someone drowning in an accident and someone holding his head underwater until he drowns to death? Would you have felt the same way that instead of drowning on vacation that he was murdered instead?

i actually think him dying in an accident is more tragic, if somebody murdered him i probably would've thought he finally pissed off the wrong person haha

E

[pellius]

i actually think him dying in an accident is more tragic, if somebody murdered him i probably would've thought he finally pissed off the wrong person haha

E

Yes, "Ha, ha."

Just to be clear, there is no argument here. Nothing about convincing anybody about who is right or wrong on how they feel. It's about clarity. People say things without realizing the implications. The world is full of people who nonchalantly dismiss the worth and lives of others. Just on this board alone how many people claim there are too many people in the world and its population needs to be culled. Of course, they never include themselves. If you lived in Cambodia during the seventies you would have been put to death for being educated and not having callouses on your hands. What's good for the goose..., right? Of course, even the worse monsters in history never thought they were evil people and woke up every morning thinking of ways to make life more miserable and cruel for others. They all thought they were doing things for the best and can pass judgment on who deserves to live and who deserves to die. You have to break a few eggs to make an omelet, eh? They pat themselves on that back every day saying how good they are and how proud their parents must be.

Yes, you have clarified your position. "Haha," indeed.

[ThisisOverload]

And the claim that citizens arrests are very common is just laughable.

It doesn't just apply to a citizen personally arresting someone physically.  If you see a crime and call the cops, then proceed to follow to criminal until the cops arrive; it's the same thing.

I only know this because I saw a guy steal this kids bike at Walgreens and I called the cops and followed him until they arrived.  I had to sign some stupid form because it was considered a citizens arrest, well at least in the state I live in.

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This guy did not deserve to die, they should have followed him and waited for the cops.  It's sad that people think it's ok to kill others based on perception.  These guys will be charged.  I live in a shit part of town and carry almost daily, I would never dream of acting like this.

[Megalodon]

Will Amy Cooper steal the spotlight?

Once the commercial media gives the go ahead, you will be allowed to discuss.

[pellius]

It doesn't just apply to a citizen personally arresting someone physically.  If you see a crime and call the cops, then proceed to follow to criminal until the cops arrive; it's the same thing.

I only know this because I saw a guy steal this kids bike at Walgreens and I called the cops and followed him until they arrived.  I had to sign some stupid form because it was considered a citizens arrest, well at least in the state I live in.

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This guy did not deserve to die, they should have followed him and waited for the cops.  It's sad that people think it's ok to kill others based on perception.  These guys will be charged.  I live in a shit part of town and carry almost daily, I would never dream of acting like this.

I've called cops countless times reporting suspicious activity. I called the cops last week on a homeless bum walking down the street screaming, swearing, and threatening people. I followed him until the cops came and when I saw the police car I pointed to where the guy was. It ended there for me. I think most people consider actually stopping someone as a citizen arrest and not just reporting him.

Carrying, and knowing the consequences of getting involved and using it, even if you are clearly doing what is right and legal, shows good sense. People think that if someone is charging at you with a knife and you shoot him dead that it will end there. You will be found innocent but there will be a cost to be paid in the form of time spent and legal fees. Plus, it's now on your record and if it happens again, even if you are again doing what is right and legal, thing will be a lot tougher as it will be argued that you are showing a pattern of using your firearm.

BTW, I am a firearms enthusiast, what do you carry and what do you load it with? I know a lot of hardcore guys look down on the 9mm but it's a good and easy round to shoot (which is important in a high stress situation) and the advances in the lethality with the high-velocity loads and being easy to double stack it for more rounds without increasing the size much.

[ThisisOverload]

I've called cops countless times reporting suspicious activity. I called the cops last week on a homeless bum walking down the street screaming, swearing, and threatening people. I followed him until the cops came and when I saw the police car I pointed to where the guy was. It ended there for me. I think most people consider actually stopping someone as a citizen arrest and not just reporting him.

Carrying, and knowing the consequences of getting involved and using it, even if you are clearly doing what is right and legal, shows good sense. People think that if someone is charging at you with a knife and you shoot him dead that it will end there. You will be found innocent but there will be a cost to be paid in the form of time spent and legal fees. Plus, it's now on your record and if it happens again, even if you are again doing what is right and legal, thing will be a lot tougher as it will be argued that you are showing a pattern of using your firearm.

BTW, I am a firearms enthusiast, what do you carry and what do you load it with? I know a lot of hardcore guys look down on the 9mm but it's a good and easy round to shoot (which is important in a high stress situation) and the advances in the lethality with the high-velocity loads and being easy to double stack it for more rounds without increasing the size much.

I agree on all points!  Even in self defense, if you shoot and kill someone be prepared for years of torment in court and massive legal fees.  It simply is not worth it unless you absolutely have no choice.  These guys are looking at 6 figure legal fees and years of court dates; was it really worth it to play police man?  Plus being such a high profile case, their lives are over from a certain perspective.  This could have easily been avoided.

I grew up in Texas, so I'm a bit of a gun nut myself.  My daily concealed choices are my favorite Glock 43 or Sig P365.  Typically loaded with Federal Personal Defense HST 9mm rounds; I'm not playing around.  I'd never want to be in a situation to even pull my weapon, but I've seen crazy things growing up in bad parts of town and traveling all over the country for work that make me a bit uneasy.  I'd rather have it and not need it, then need it and not have it.

[pellius]

I agree on all points!  Even in self defense, if you shoot and kill someone be prepared for years of torment in court and massive legal fees.  It simply is not worth it unless you absolutely have no choice.  These guys are looking at 6 figure legal fees and years of court dates; was it really worth it to play police man?  Plus being such a high profile case, their lives are over from a certain perspective.  This could have easily been avoided.

I grew up in Texas, so I'm a bit of a gun nut myself.  My daily concealed choices are my favorite Glock 43 or Sig P365.  Typically loaded with Federal Personal Defense HST 9mm rounds; I'm not playing around.  I'd never want to be in a situation to even pull my weapon, but I've seen crazy things growing up in bad parts of town and traveling all over the country for work that make me a bit uneasy.  I'd rather have it and not need it, then need it and not have it.

Ah, we are kindred spirits. I also carry a Glock 43 and sometimes my Glock 19
which is 25 years old with thousands of rounds through it and still going strong. I'm also a big fan of Sig Sauer but prefer Glock for carry as it's lighter and fits my hand like a glove. I use Corbon's 9mm 115+P JHP.

[ThisisOverload]

Ah, we are kindred spirits. I also carry a Glock 43 and sometimes my Glock 19
which is 25 years old with thousands of rounds through it and still going strong. I'm also a big fan of Sig Sauer but prefer Glock for carry as it's lighter and fits my hand like a glove. I use Corbon's 9mm 115+P JHP.

Great choices!  My brother has a G19, amazing gun.  Glocks are great guns, I've shot about everything and still prefer them.

[Twaddle]

Ah, we are kindred spirits. I also carry a Glock 43 and sometimes my Glock 19
which is 25 years old with thousands of rounds through it and still going strong. I'm also a big fan of Sig Sauer but prefer Glock for carry as it's lighter and fits my hand like a glove. I use Corbon's 9mm 115+P JHP.

Pellius,

Serious question.  Are you legally allowed to own/carry firearms, with your record?  If not, why would you risk it?  Isn't Hawaii fairly safe? 

Why not carry a knife or pepper spray, instead?   

[The Scott]

Ah, we are kindred spirits. I also carry a Glock 43 and sometimes my Glock 19
which is 25 years old with thousands of rounds through it and still going strong. I'm also a big fan of Sig Sauer but prefer Glock for carry as it's lighter and fits my hand like a glove. I use Corbon's 9mm 115+P JHP.

I have to admit that I don't own or even know how to use a gun.  I know that two of my brothers and their wives and one nephew are gun owners and enthusiasts but I don't think I'm smart enough in that stuff to ever own one. 

Needless to say they agree with that sentiment because they have taken me to a range place to learn to shoot but it hurts my ears even with those headphones on and the loudness scares me too.  I know, what pussy, LOL!  yup!

[pellius]

Pellius,

Serious question.  Are you legally allowed to own/carry firearms, with your record?  If not, why would you risk it?  Isn't Hawaii fairly safe? 

Why not carry a knife or pepper spray, instead?   

The only time I'd ever pull and use a gun is if my life was in grave danger. I know the consequences of using a firearm even if it was overwhelming justified, i.e., life and death. In such a case I would protect my life and the life of an innocent regardless of the laws of the State. Laws mean nothing when you're dead.

Fortunately, in maybe 98% of the time just brandishing a firearm will be enough to protect you and I have done just that several times.

I do also carry a Cold Steel lockback four inch Tanto. I don't consider pepper spray a good self defense option.

I don't know what you mean by "with my record".

[Twaddle]

The only time I'd ever pull and use a gun is if my life was in grave danger. I know the consequences of using a firearm even if it was overwhelming justified, i.e., life and death. In such a case I would protect my life and the life of an innocent regardless of the laws of the State. Laws mean nothing when you're dead.

Fortunately, in maybe 98% of the time just brandishing a firearm will be enough to protect you and I have done just that several times.

I do also carry a Cold Steel lockback four inch Tanto. I don't consider pepper spray a good self defense option.

I don't know what you mean by "with my record".

I was referring to your legal troubles.  It's been discussed on the board in the past.  I'm pretty sure you've even talked about it, on the board.