How many would have stayed home if they weren't getting paid?

[joswift]

If the governments had advised to stay home but no lockdown hence no money then would you have stayed home or carried on with your normal life?

[che]

Financially, I'm doing better now than before  Corona.

[Army of One]

People are selfish and when it comes down to it will do whats best for the individual over the masses. I think you already know the answer to this. We will soon find out once payments stop or are reduced to 60%.

[Henda]

I probably wouldn’t get fuck all off them and have carried on working

[Humble Narcissist]

There will be many who have been working at home who will ask to stay home from now on.  If you can do your work on your home computer why go to the office?

[Dave D]

People are selfish and when it comes down to it will do whats best for the individual over the masses. I think you already know the answer to this. We will soon find out once payments stop or are reduced to 60%.

Remember we are all going to get this virus, that was never negotiable. The thought was to SLOW the spread so the hospitals aren’t overwhelmed. That has been accomplished.

So determining “selfishness” in regards to a virus you’re going to get no matter what is a futile task.

Army you don’t work, but if you had to you would. Thinking about your survival isn’t selfish.

Abortions are done for selfish reasons. People going to work because they have bills isn’t selfish.

[OlympiaGym]

Army doesn’t work? That explains a lot.

[Fortress]

Outside of going to my gym, for me nothing has changed. 

Haven’t missed one hour of work since Cornhole attacked.

As I say, I couldn’t give less of a donkey shit.

There are threats everywhere. Man up and get on with it.

[Irongrip400]

If the governments had advised to stay home but no lockdown hence no money then would you have stayed home or carried on with your normal life?

I’m in construction so for me personally it hasn’t been much different. So if what you proposed was the case, I’d be out and about working.

[Primemuscle]

If the governments had advised to stay home but no lockdown hence no money then would you have stayed home or carried on with your normal life?

Why go out if you have no money. Hopefully, there's nothing normal about being dead broke.

[Primemuscle]

I probably wouldn’t get fuck all off them and have carried on working

That's one of the advantages of working for yourself right now. As long as you have customers willing to look at your hairy chest while you lay bricks, you're good to go.

[Primemuscle]

There will be many who have been working at home who will ask to stay home from now on.  If you can do your work on your home computer why go to the office?

Before this mess, some employers were reluctant to let their employees work from home, specially doing it full-time. This may change. We are finding out that we can conduct a lot of business looking into our computer screen. I just had another Zoom type meeting this morning with around a dozen other folks on the committee.

A real plus might be less commuter traffic. 

[robcguns]

Outside of going to my gym, for me nothing has changed. 

Haven’t missed one hour of work since Cornhole attacked.

As I say, I couldn’t give less of a donkey shit.

There are threats everywhere. Man up and get on with it.

Cornhole attacked,Thats fucking great Hahahah.

That's one of the advantages of working for yourself right now. As long as you have customers willing to look at your hairy chest while you lay bricks, you're good to go.

 hendas hairy chest keeping the economy going.haha

[Tapeworm]

I'm an able bodied adult of sufficient intelligence so am plenty capable of providing for myself. I don't need a government tit. I'm good all on my own. Just keep your Bubblewrap Nazis out of my fucking way.

[Primemuscle]

Outside of going to my gym, for me nothing has changed. 

Haven’t missed one hour of work since Cornhole attacked.

As I say, I couldn’t give less of a donkey shit.

There are threats everywhere. Man up and get on with it.

In order for society to survive most of the people in it must be productive. This will win the day in the end.

[Tapeworm]

In order for society to survive most of the people in it must be productive. This will win the day in the end.

What constitutes productivity and how is it best achieved, though? There's an argument to be made in favor of the Brave New Singapore model. Live where we tell you, how we tell you, and do what we tell you. A society marching in lockstep would be uber efficient, and would likely prevail in circumstances where societies which permit individual agency would falter. That will be what survives.

I'm more wild west by nature tho. I'm glad to have lived in a time before the perma-track omni-surveil lockdown was complete. It'll be perfect and everyone will be free to do anything they are permitted to do. We're not going to be missing much.

[Humble Narcissist]

Before this mess, some employers were reluctant to let their employees work from home, specially doing it full-time. This may change. We are finding out that we can conduct a lot of business looking into our computer screen. I just had another Zoom type meeting this morning with around a dozen other folks on the committee.

A real plus might be less commuter traffic.

And more free time with no commutes.  You also save on gas, food (no need for restaurant lunches and fast food dinners) and less money spent on office clothes.

[Mr Anabolic]

Universal basic income is most likely coming.  $2000 a month.  It's inevitable.  This will provide incentive for most not to work.  They'll be placated for a while, however when the hyperinflation hits, $2000 will be one trip to the grocery store. 

[Flexacon]

Universal basic income is most likely coming.  $2000 a month.  It's inevitable.  This will provide incentive for most not to work.  They'll be placated for a while, however when the hyperinflation hits, $2000 will be one trip to the grocery store.

If it happens I don't see it being more than $600 or $700 a month (or currency equivalent in Europe)

It will still mean people need to work and employers can still pay minimum wage.

It won't be hyperinflation that will be the issue, it will be higher taxes. What they give in UBI, they'll just be taking back in taxes. It will potentially kill what's left of the middle class.

[Mr Anabolic]

If it happens I don't see it being more than $600 or $700 a month (or currency equivalent in Europe)

It will still mean people need to work and employers can still pay minimum wage.

It won't be hyperinflation that will be the issue, it will be higher taxes. What they give in UBI, they'll just be taking back in taxes. It will potentially kill the middle class.

It will have to be much more than $700 a month, but it will still keep people lazy and poor.

Taxes and inflation, then hyperinflation in a few years.

The middle class has been dying slowly over the past 30 years or so.

[Flexacon]

It will have to be much more than $700 a month, but it will still keep people lazy and poor.

Taxes and inflation, then hyperinflation in a few years.

The middle class has been dying slowly over the past 30 years or so.

Yes, actually already edited my post.

UBI might start out higher because of corona, but it won't stay there. The $2k amount and hyperinflation is just Army of one style doom and gloom.

[Theoak*]

It will have to be much more than $700 a month, but it will still keep people lazy and poor.

Taxes and inflation, then hyperinflation in a few years.

The middle class has been dying slowly over the past 30 years or so.

Contrary to many speculations about coming hyperinflations in fiat-denominated economies I don't think we will see widespread hyperinflation.  Why haven't we seen any CPI inflation the previous 3 decades in Japan and the last 15 years in the West?  The system is finely tuned now to cause only inflation in financial assets not consumer goods.  Subsequently all the monetary fixes are now being manifest as economic problems, stagnation, low wages, middle class hollowed out, historic wealth inequalities etc.

All the money that gets printed only goes to the top 0.1% that had all the money in the first place, it's like a shitcoin staking bonus system or something.  So my point here is the $100 trillion base money is not representative of the total monetised assets in the world since many financial assets, property, commodities and derivatives have become monetised as the asset holding classes try to escape fiat debasement over the last 50 years.

[Humble Narcissist]

Universal basic income is most likely coming.  $2000 a month.  It's inevitable.  This will provide incentive for most not to work.  They'll be placated for a while, however when the hyperinflation hits, $2000 will be one trip to the grocery store.

Will hyperinflation ever hit?  In the past hyperinflation hit when money was pumped into the economy to make it worthless BUT that was when it was physical currency.  Now almost all money is simply digital currency, not backed by anything including paper dollars.

If every American cleared out all of their accounts tomorrow at the bank, Paypal, investment accounts, etc, there wouldn't be enough physical currency to meet half the demand. Money is now just an agreement and not backed by anything.

[Primemuscle]

What constitutes productivity and how is it best achieved, though? There's an argument to be made in favor of the Brave New Singapore model. Live where we tell you, how we tell you, and do what we tell you. A society marching in lockstep would be uber efficient, and would likely prevail in circumstances where societies which permit individual agency would falter. That will be what survives.

I'm more wild west by nature tho. I'm glad to have lived in a time before the perma-track omni-surveil lockdown was complete. It'll be perfect and everyone will be free to do anything they are permitted to do. We're not going to be missing much.

You are absolutely right, there is more than one way for society to function. The actual definition of productive is relatively narrow. I've lived a very long time and seen a lot change. Without doubt, there is a lot more to come. I hope to be around a little while longer so I can experience it.

[Primemuscle]

Universal basic income is most likely coming.  $2000 a month.  It's inevitable.  This will provide incentive for most not to work.  They'll be placated for a while, however when the hyperinflation hits, $2000 will be one trip to the grocery store.

Sorry, can't see this happening.