John Meadows in hospital after heart attack

[Marty Champions]

The iodine will detox the liver another perk.

[deadz]

I'm not sure it's very important. I spoke in person with a professor/endo who has been working with steroid "abusers" for decades, trying to restart their HPTAs or putting them on legit HRT. He admitted to me that there is no proof that blood donation reduces any theoretical risks due to high hematocrit. He sometimes did it anyway "because we just don't like to see high lab values" even in the absence of evidence that high crit is dangerous in the absence of high BP. Some people have high levels "naturally" due to, for example, living at high altitude, which hasn't been shown to be dangerous. Blood donation has some potential acute risks as well.

My hemoglobin and hematocrit stay in range when I donate. I have labs done several times a year, most people don’t.

[Van_Bilderass]

johns been on the gas for 30 years, turns blood into sludge. What you eat matters not when doing gear, you can nibble on plants but still sludge up when on gear.
you will see him off gear and downsize maybe on some bp meds and statins. his red face is blood pressure related, blood not pumping properly. says he only does trt i think but unsure what to believe. 75 mgs a week wont clog your hematocrit, some guys call 300 mg trt. not so, thats a cycle. (a 30 year one)

The danger of T induced polycythemia is not clear. Not saying there is no increased risk for cardiac events but it's not well established from what I can see.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5690890/

My hemoglobin and hematocrit stay in range when I donate. I have labs done several times a year, most people don’t.

I mean it sounds like a good idea to donate, but I have seen some knowledgeable people say that in the absence of high BP hematocrit may not be a concern and I think someone even pointed out that a donation can cause a thrombotic event?

[Mr Anabolic]

The danger of T induced polycythemia is not clear. Not saying there is no increased risk for cardiac events but it's not well established from what I can see.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5690890/

What about all the roiders that died in their 40 and 50's of heart attacks? ... then you have all the ones that have had heart problems.  Simple observations.

[Van_Bilderass]

What about all the roiders that died in their 40 and 50's of heart attacks? ... then you have all the ones that have had heart problems.  Simple observations.

I'm sure steroids can and will cause problems but it's always hard to separate genetics from drug effects. I mean testosterone and HRT can potentially protect the cardiovascular system as well, even if say 40% or whatever of HRT patients get polycythemia. John was also on GH and that, combined with roids, makes your heart hypertrophy. So the question is what drug did what.
It's even possible John had Covid-19 and got the clotting disorder they talk about... long shot, but just pointing out possibilities.

[The Keto Kid]

Palumbo says it makes no sense to donate, one of the main benefits of steroids are the increased red blood cells.

[IroNat]

Palumbo says it makes no sense to donate, one of the main benefits of steroids are the increased red blood cells.

Increased red blood cells cause your blood to become sludge-like.

[Matt]

He looked a lot older than 48, always thought he was in his mid 50’s

I can see what you mean.  I vividly recall observing John turn beet red in some of his videos.

I immediately feared for his health.

It's interesting that his blood lipid levels were all so good according to the blood test he posted [or possibly more than one - but I recall seeing one online several years ago].  Looking at some of his pictures, he immediately strikes me as another Don Youngblood.  John is very red in the face.  These are photos that I all took directly from an online search.  If someone else posted these and stated that they purposely photoshopped John's face to be more red, I would believe it.  But no, he actually is that red.

EDITED to add:

The fourth photo is a photo of Don Youngblood, taken at the 2004 NPC Nationals when Don was 50 years old - only months before he died.  Youngblood had the same red face, even while not doing anything strenuous:

[deadz]

Palumbo says it makes no sense to donate, one of the main benefits of steroids are the increased red blood cells.

Not impressed with Dumbo’s knowledge.

[usmcdevildoc]

I can see what you mean.  I vividly recall observing John turn beet red in some of his videos.

I immediately feared for his health.

It's interesting that his blood lipid levels were all so good according to the blood test he posted [or possibly more than one - but I recall seeing one online several years ago].  Looking at some of his pictures, he immediately strikes me as another Don Youngblood.  John is very red in the face.  These are photos that I all took directly from an online search.  If someone else posted these and stated that they purposely photoshopped John's face to be more red, I would believe it.  But no, he actually is this red:

Did he have the dangerous doctors?

[mphgrove]

Saw him in a pro show a few years back. Ugly fuck up close and unhealthy looking. But seems from everything posted here and elsewhere knowledgeable bodybuilding coach and all around good guy. Never seem to hear a harsh word about him, and that says something. Hope he returns to health and learns from this.

[Matt]

Did he have the dangerous doctors?

Do you mean a DEVIL DOC? 

Don Youngblood did.  Chad Nicholls prepped Youngblood for the 2001 and 2002 Master's Mr. Olympia contest, as well as for the 2002 Mr. Olympia contest, when Youngblood was 48 years old, and fresh off his 2002 Master's Mr. Olympia win.

As far as John Meadows is concerned, short answer: I think John was/is mostly his own coach.

Long answer: I'm not aware of John Meadows working with anyone reckless - or...let me put that another way: I don't see John as being the sort of guy who would ever be in a situation where he doesn't have full veto power over everything he does for bodybuilding and contest prep.

In other words, John had a great deal of bodybuilding knowledge, and I don't see him as being the sort of guy to do a dangerous drug cocktail unless he himself wanted to do it.

I am a lot more confident in my belief that Don Youngblood would have eaten or injected anything Chad Nicholls put in front of him.  John has been studying bodybuilding since he was 13 years old [basically since he watched the 1985 Mr. Olympia as a teenage boy], and I don't see him doing anything reckless that he didn't put serious consideration into.

I'm not saying John didn't do anything reckless, gear-wise, I'm just saying he wouldn't inject a dangerous cocktail of cutting agents just because a guru told him to do it.  If a guru told him to do it, and he felt it was sound advice, I could see him doing it.  But I couldn't see him take on any risks that he didn't give serious thought to, regarding the costs and benefits.

Competing in bodybuilding is a risk, period.  Especially over 40.  So he knew what he was getting into.

[visualizeperfection]

Wouldnt even let you put a bandaid on me neegul

[Rambone]

The danger of T induced polycythemia is not clear. Not saying there is no increased risk for cardiac events but it's not well established from what I can see.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5690890/


I mean it sounds like a good idea to donate, but I have seen some knowledgeable people say that in the absence of high BP hematocrit may not be a concern and I think someone even pointed out that a donation can cause a thrombotic event?

Appropriately dosed TRT in testosterone deficit men actually reduced the number of cardiac events according to a large study. The problem was that the information was gathered incorrectly and showed the opposite results. Once the media initially saw this, they ran away with the incorrect findings and plastered testosterone causes heart attacks all over the place. This video sums it all up correctly and concisely.

[Rambone]

Not impressed with Dumbo’s knowledge.

I’ll be sure to donate today then. I do the exact opposite of what that scumbag says. Actually just received a text saying their offering $20 gift cards until Sunday. Lucky me

[Mr Anabolic]

I can see what you mean.  I vividly recall observing John turn beet red in some of his videos.

I immediately feared for his health.

It's interesting that his blood lipid levels were all so good according to the blood test he posted [or possibly more than one - but I recall seeing one online several years ago].  Looking at some of his pictures, he immediately strikes me as another Don Youngblood.  John is very red in the face.  These are photos that I all took directly from an online search.  If someone else posted these and stated that they purposely photoshopped John's face to be more red, I would believe it.  But no, he actually is that red.

I saw John training legs at World Gym in San Diego 7-8 years ago.  It looked like his head was going to pop.

[Mr Anabolic]

Appropriately dosed TRT in testosterone deficit men actually reduced the number of cardiac events according to a large study. The problem was that the information was gathered incorrectly and showed the opposite results. Once the media initially saw this, they ran away with the incorrect findings and plastered testosterone causes heart attacks all over the place. This video sums it all up correctly and concisely.

That is based on lower TRT dosages, not 300-1000mg per week, which is what most BBers are taking.   

[Taffin]

Do you mean a DEVIL DOC? 

Don Youngblood did.  Chad Nicholls prepped Youngblood for the 2001 and 2002 Master's Mr. Olympia contest, as well as for the 2002 Mr. Olympia contest, when Youngblood was 48 years old, and fresh off his 2002 Master's Mr. Olympia win.

As far as John Meadows is concerned, short answer: I think John was/is mostly his own coach.

Long answer: I'm not aware of John Meadows working with anyone reckless - or...let me put that another way: I don't see John as being the sort of guy who would ever be in a situation where he doesn't have full veto power over everything he does for bodybuilding and contest prep.

In other words, John had a great deal of bodybuilding knowledge, and I don't see him as being the sort of guy to do a dangerous drug cocktail unless he himself wanted to do it.

I am a lot more confident in my belief that Don Youngblood would have eaten or injected anything Chad Nicholls put in front of him.  John has been studying bodybuilding since he was 13 years old [basically since he watched the 1985 Mr. Olympia as a teenage boy], and I don't see him doing anything reckless that he didn't put serious consideration into.

I'm not saying John didn't do anything reckless, gear-wise, I'm just saying he wouldn't inject a dangerous cocktail of cutting agents just because a guru told him to do it.  If a guru told him to do it, and he felt it was sound advice, I could see him doing it.  But I couldn't see him take on any risks that he didn't give serious thought to, regarding the costs and benefits.

Competing in bodybuilding is a risk, period.  Especially over 40.  So he knew what he was getting into.

Matt - I'm not sure what you're trying to say here....






















 

[Rambone]

That is based on lower TRT dosages, not 300-1000mg per week, which is what most BBers are taking.

Yes. I know...I said appropriately dosed and had also mentioned how bodybuilders say TRT when it’s not realistically TRT in a post before that.

[Body-Buildah]

It's interesting that his blood lipid levels were all so good according to the blood test he posted [or possibly more than one - but I recall seeing one online several years ago].
 

matthew, blood lipids is a scam. look up 'heart attacks with low lipid levels' more people have heart attacks with low cholesterol than  high.
its good for people with hereditary problems, but does nada for gen-pop with minor raised levels its a protectant. (cholesterol) only makes big-pharma rich, about it.
as a phy-assistant, ive worked for doc's who push statins and then some smarter ones against it. the two cardiologists i worked for were against pushing statins except for those with very high/family related levels. the normal 'DO's' shoved them down everyones throat.

[TTfit]

John Meadows has never looked healthy. Eating a great diet is only one component of good health. I don't think he knew what he was doing with steroids. I suspect his blood pressure got out of control.

[Humble Narcissist]

I'm sure steroids can and will cause problems but it's always hard to separate genetics from drug effects. I mean testosterone and HRT can potentially protect the cardiovascular system as well, even if say 40% or whatever of HRT patients get polycythemia. John was also on GH and that, combined with roids, makes your heart hypertrophy. So the question is what drug did what.
It's even possible John had Covid-19 and got the clotting disorder they talk about... long shot, but just pointing out possibilities.

Only if he died would they blame Covid-19.

[The Keto Kid]

John Meadows has never looked healthy. Eating a great diet is only one component of good health. I don't think he knew what he was doing with steroids. I suspect his blood pressure got out of control.

He doesn't eat a healthy diet, he loves doughnuts,  talks about it all the time. He has guidance with peds, his best friend and advisor is Dr. Serrano.

[Matt]

Matt - I'm not sure what you're trying to say here....






















 

In university, my psychology thesis professor Dr. Michel Bedard made a tool that was used to assess caregiver burden, but reduced the 22-question Zarit Burden Interview to only 12 questions, with something like 95% accuracy.

So he basically took the test of caregiver burden and cut it in half, and found out you only lost something like 5% of the quality of the questionnaire.

Is there some type of Matt C Thread Hack that would reduce my post size by 50%, while retaining 95% of the post content?

I know it's just a matter of erasing half of my posts...I just wish I could find a way to quickly scan my eyeballs over it and quickly hack it down that way. 

[Bevo]

Sounds like Mr Meadows received his wake up call.


It’s time to take health seriously. No more lying to himself.


Expect him to drop 40-50 pounds.

Doubt it

Bbers consider trt to be 300 mg a wk to 500+ hahaha

Most of these guys continue until dialysis, waiting on a kidney transplant, or have their lower leg lopped off