The New Low Carb Trend

[JuicedKangaroo]

LOL I hesitated to post Fung, but I risked it becoming a wankfest because I couldn't tell from your post if you were familiar with any of these concepts.

Obviously that wasn't the case haha. So, firstly, I'm not a Fung disciple , but I do think some of the  principles he espouses explains phenomena others have observed that I discuss in my latter post.  When I said there was compelling evidence against this, I wasn't talking so much about eating less to lose weight and being a proponent of keto. Sometimes when you have these discussions, you start off at a point where you have preconceived notions about what people on the other side may be thinking, and I was thinking more of the timeless calorie is a calorie debate (which I don't agree with. I don't think calories are completely fungible.) and the idea that some people have that you can outwork a bad diet. That wasn't necessarily what others were thinking.



I don't know if you're familiar with my posts, but I actually am the type of guy who will read studies someone else posts (if only to dispute them), but in this case I opted not to. Not because  they're not worth reading, but because nutrition studies are all over the place. Here's a list of studies that favor  low carb diets over low fat diets.

https://www.healthline.com/nutrition/23-studies-on-low-carb-and-low-fat-diets#section1


As loco said, higher fat diets tend to be more enjoyable. Both of the videos discuss satiety and how your body responds to calorie restriction, so I was coming from a position more of how your body maintains the diet. 



I feel like this could be a long and meandering post, so I will cut do something rare and cut myself short unless there's a point anyone would like me to defend, but there was something in your post that struck me:

I've never heard this before, but this is something that is interesting info.

No doubt, great post.

Thanks for sharing some counter studies, my only query/criticism of these keto studies (not yours, just in general) is whether or not they control net caloric consumption, or at least the adaptive deficit induced. I have no doubt that when ignoring calories and eating intuitively, that keto is 'easier' if you will since your food variety is so limited. If I wasn't into gaining size and wanted to eat for satiety, I would 100% be keto.

[friedchickendinner]

You guys must be way below 10% bf year round considering how much you know about dieting !!!

I wouldnt be surprised if you been shredded the last 20 years or so !! With your deep knowledge!!

[joswift]

You guys must be way below 10% bf year round considering how much you know about dieting !!!

I wouldnt be surprised if you been shredded the last 20 years or so !! With your deep knowledge!!

I am thanks...

[Mr Anabolic]

You guys must be way below 10% bf year round considering how much you know about dieting !!!

I wouldnt be surprised if you been shredded the last 20 years or so !! With your deep knowledge!!

Shredded, but with muscles flat as pancakes.  The ketone kids of getbig. 

[Thin Lizzy]

You guys must be way below 10% bf year round considering how much you know about dieting !!!

I wouldnt be surprised if you been shredded the last 20 years or so !! With your deep knowledge!!

It’s really more about motivation than knowledge. We all know how to get ripped. Just eat lean protein and veggies three times a day, rinse and repeat. Who wants to do that long-term?

[joswift]

Shredded, but with muscles flat as pancakes.  The ketone kids of getbig.

Im eat around 60-80 grms or carbs a day and Im full and vascular with plenty of energy and get great pumps in the gym

[friedchickendinner]

Im eat around 60-80 grms or carbs a day and Im full and vascular with plenty of energy and get great pumps in the gym

All 125 pounds of you!!

[joswift]

All 125 pounds of you!!

210 at the moment

[Mr Anabolic]

Im eat around 60-80 grms or carbs a day and Im full and vascular with plenty of energy and get great pumps in the gym

Then you're still in glucose mode, not keto.  In your 20's too, I bet.  Youth makes up for a lot.

[joswift]

Then you're still in glucose mode, not keto.  In your 20's too, I bet.  Youth makes up for a lot.

55 in a couple of months

[loco]

You guys must be way below 10% bf year round considering how much you know about dieting !!!

I wouldnt be surprised if you been shredded the last 20 years or so !! With your deep knowledge!!

Question is, is being 10% bf all year and being shredded for 20 years good for health and longevity? 

Most people who start low carb do so for the fat loss, and then make it a life style for the long term health benefits, which are tangible and noticeable within weeks.

[loco]

Then you're still in glucose mode, not keto.  In your 20's too, I bet.  Youth makes up for a lot.

Not keto, but still low carb which still has a lot of health benefits.

[friedchickendinner]

Question is, is being 10% bf all year and being shredded for 20 years good for health and longevity? 

Most people who start low carb do so for the fat loss, and then make it a life style for the long term health benefits, which are tangible and noticeable within weeks.

Any time you feel you can back up your claims of extended longevity and good health due to low carb diet feel free to post.

Looking forward to it. Must be a bunch of 120+ year old somethings around we just dont know about....

[loco]

Any time you feel you can back up your claims of extended longevity and good health due to low carb diet feel free to post.

Looking forward to it. Must be a bunch of 120+ year old somethings around we just dont know about....

Sure.  What would be acceptable to you, sir?

[joswift]

Question is, is being 10% bf all year and being shredded for 20 years good for health and longevity? 

Most people who start low carb do so for the fat loss, and then make it a life style for the long term health benefits, which are tangible and noticeable within weeks.

I feel the best i have in years, I had trigger finger in both my little fingers for years, since going carnivore it has all but gone

[loco]

Is there any sport in which the athletes want to be carb depleted on the day of the performance? I can’t think of any.

Yes.  Turns out high fat and high salt consumption can actually help any athlete perform better than consuming high carbs.

[friedchickendinner]

Sure.  What would be acceptable to you, sir?

Any study that for a meaningful period of time (say 50 years) followed a larger number of people to prove that their diet, being low in carbs, have given them a longer, healthier life, compared to everyone else.

Otherwise it is as meaningful as me claiming youll live longer if you stand on your head and eat a banana every day at noon.

[loco]

Any study that for a meaningful period of time (say 50 years) followed a larger number of people to prove that their diet, being low in carbs, have given them a longer, healthier life, compared to everyone else.

Otherwise it is as meaningful as me claiming youll live longer if you stand on your head and eat a banana every day at noon.

I don't know about that, but I'll see what I can do.

How about this?  We both know that obesity, insulin resistance, type 2 diabetes, fatty liver, fatty pancreas, severe acid reflux, don't lead to a long healthy life.  Can we agree on that?

If so, then a diet that not only prevents the above conditions but also reverses them would give people a longer, healthier life.  Don't you agree?

[Thin Lizzy]

Yes.  Turns out high fat and high salt consumption can actually help any athlete perform better than consuming high carbs.

Point me to an actual athlete not some guru on the Internet. All the top distance runners are high carbs. There are no exceptions.

[loco]

It’s really more about motivation than knowledge. We all know how to get ripped. Just eat lean protein and veggies three times a day, rinse and repeat. Who wants to do that long-term?

That is exactly true for low fat, high carb diets.

After a short adaptation period, High fat low carb diets are sustainable for life, easy, enjoyable, and fun.

[loco]

Point me to an actual athlete not some guru on the Internet. All the top distance runners are high carbs. There are no exceptions.

I just did, but you didn't bother to look.  What's the point then?

[Thin Lizzy]

I just did, but you didn't bother to look.  What's the point then?

Fitzgerald actually traveled the world studying the eating habits of top athletes and came to the conclusion that they all ate carbs there were no exceptions. I don’t understand what it is with keto guys. It becomes a religion to you. It’s just fucking eating.



The Endurance Diet: Discover the 5 Core Habits of the World's Greatest Athletes to Look, Feel, and Perform Better by Matt Fitzgerald - Books on Google Play


https://play.google.com/store/books/details/The_Endurance_Diet_Discover_the_5_Core_Habits_of_t?id=5yvXCwAAQBAJ&hl=en_US

[CT_Muscle]

I been telling people for well over 10 years now....................C YCLE YOUR FUCKING CARBS................... .IT WORKS !!!!!!!!!!!!!1111111

Can you give an example of how you are carb cycling? Thanks!

[Thin Lizzy]

This is the staple of the greatest marathoner of all time. But I’m sure he would be faster if  he were to only go keto.




https://www.sweatelite.co/eliud-kipchoge-diet/

Ugali: made from maize meal, it is cooked in water to form a sort of corn cake. This staple is very high in starch and is very bland, lacking much in the way of flavour. Many meals in the farm-stay were served with an almost insurmountable pile of ugali on the side.

[Grape Ape]

The most enjoyable foods are both high carb and high fat. Didn’t you start a thread once about lasagna being the best food?

I don’t deny going low carb is an excellent way to lose body fat but for most it’s just not sustainable long-term.

I don't think this is a fair statement - too subjective.  Steak, eggs, brisket, bacon, carnitas, hamburger, etc are immensely enjoyable.