The New Low Carb Trend

[Teutonic Knight 1]

That's good, but you'd be shocked how many people conclude that a caloric deficit somehow doesn't exist simply because carbs were removed.

I enjoyed keto-style eating, wasn't very hungry and when eating intuitively, calories were sub 2,000 I was that full! But, my digestion is terrible with high fats - I end up using more toilet paper than Nasser.

>>>> Youtube : ABC Catalyst : Low Carb Diet, Fat or Fiction

New version of Catalyst TV , sucks !.

[OlympiaGym]

The influence of genetics and body type cannot be underestimated. I can do IF and drop weight without  any distress b/c I simply don’t have a big appetite and my natural set point and body type is that of a lean ectomorph. Even when I’m really hungry I just can’t eat and drink as much as others and I stay full forever. If I want to be thicker I virtually have to force myself to eat, which, in combination with certain supplements, keeps the weight on. When I’m done being a “bodybuilder” I’ll just drop down to 165-170 at 6’ with no problem at all. The inability to drop weight and lean out doesn’t even register with me.

[wes]

Can you give an example of how you are carb cycling? Thanks!

Here`s an article I wrote for Iron Man magazine a few eons back..........needs tweaking for people of different bodyweights but you`ll get the gist of it:

https://www.bodybuilding.com/content/carbohydrate-cycling-for-fat-loss.html

[OlympiaGym]

Here`s an article I wrote for Iron Man magazine a few eons back..........needs tweaking for people of different bodyweights but you`ll get the gist of it:

https://www.bodybuilding.com/content/carbohydrate-cycling-for-fat-loss.html

Nice little article.

[loco]

Why doesn’t he train a group of Keto warriors for distance running and put the Kenyans and Ethiopians out of business? Because he knows that diet wouldn’t work at that level.

Trotting out the Conga line of keto heroes doesn’t change the FACT that at the top of the distance running food chain all the athletes eat a lot of carbs.

Until the Keto warriors can back up their talk with performance (they can’t and won’t) it’s just talk.

I was enjoying our discussion until you went full psycho.  What in the world is a keto warrior?  What's a keto hero?  What does this make you, a glucose warrior?

And what's your point anymore?  Do you even know?

Are you saying that because most elite endurance athletes (the same who use drugs too to win) have traditionally consumed insane amounts of carbs no matter how harmful to their health that might be, it follows that the keto diet with all of its health benefits is bad for everyone?

My argument as of late has been that low carb diets have many health benefits.  I'm not hung up on low carb for weight loss or low carb for elite endurance athletic performance, although the keto diet is indeed great for weight loss and studies on its effects on elite endurance athletic performance are ongoing.

[loco]

Point me to an actual athlete not some guru on the Internet. All the top distance runners are high carbs. There are no exceptions.

Fitzgerald actually traveled the world studying the eating habits of top athletes and came to the conclusion that they all ate carbs there were no exceptions. I don’t understand what it is with keto guys. It becomes a religion to you. It’s just fucking eating.

The Endurance Diet: Discover the 5 Core Habits of the World's Greatest Athletes to Look, Feel, and Perform Better by Matt Fitzgerald - Books on Google Play

https://play.google.com/store/books/details/The_Endurance_Diet_Discover_the_5_Core_Habits_of_t?id=5yvXCwAAQBAJ&hl=en_US

LOL...a journalist?  That's all you have?

To back up my points, I point you to real MDs and PhDs, one of whom is an experienced endurance athlete and one of the highest-rated scientists in the field of Exercise Science and Sports Medicine.

You ask me not to point you to some guru on the Internet, then you point me to a journalist?  Good job!

[loco]

New version of Catalyst TV , sucks !.

Fixed.

[friedchickendinner]

What's a low carb diet though?

If it means having a burger without the bun, spaghetti with meatballs without spaghetti, meat and potatoes without potatoes, chicken and rice without the rice, toast with peanutbutter without the toast,  a light beer instead of a regular beer -then I'm out.

[Thin Lizzy]

What's a low carb diet though?

If it means having a burger without the bun, spaghetti with meatballs without spaghetti, meat and potatoes without potatoes, chicken and rice without the rice, toast with peanutbutter without the toast,  a light beer instead of a regular beer -then I'm out.

You can’t have ketchup on the burger or sauce on the meatballs either.

[joswift]

You can’t have ketchup on the burger or sauce on the meatballs either.

Ketchup is minimal carbs, its not a keto diet, its a low carb diet

Keto is a stupid concept, if you eat more than around 150gms of protein it can take you out of ketosis depending on your LBM

[Thin Lizzy]

LOL...a journalist?  That's all you have?

To back up my points, I point you to real MDs and PhDs, one of whom is an experienced endurance athlete and one of the highest-rated scientists in the field of Exercise Science and Sports Medicine.

You ask me not to point you to some guru on the Internet, then you point me to a journalist?  Good job!

So eat your fucking keto cookies and cakes and pretend you like them.  No one gives a shit.

[Thin Lizzy]

Of course you're limited on a low carb diet, VERY limited. 

But you're on here posting 100x trying to convince yourself and everyone else that you enjoy it... when you really don't.   Who would?

No one.

[loco]

What's a low carb diet though?

If it means having a burger without the bun, spaghetti with meatballs without spaghetti, meat and potatoes without potatoes, chicken and rice without the rice, toast with peanutbutter without the toast,  a light beer instead of a regular beer -then I'm out.

Average westerner: 200-300g/day

Low carb: <100-150g/day

Keto: <20-50g/day

As long as you keep your carbs at your daily target, you can eat whatever you want.  As far as high fat/protein foods, eat as much as you want, whenever you want.

[loco]

No one.

Thanks, Thin Lizzy and Mr Anabolic for telling me what I do and don't enjoy!

[Thin Lizzy]

Thanks, Thin Lizzy and Mr Anabolic for telling me what I do and don't enjoy!

Here’s  your fucking scientist:





Low carbohydrate, high fat diet impairs exercise economy and negates the performance benefit from intensified training in elite race walkers

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5407976/

[loco]

So eat your fucking keto cookies and cakes and pretend you like them.  No one gives a shit.

Very good come back argument.  Good job!

Thank you, but the longer I eat low carb, the less I crave sweets and starchy foods.

These days I'd much rather eat like this:

[loco]

Here’s  your fucking scientist:

Low carbohydrate, high fat diet impairs exercise economy and negates the performance benefit from intensified training in elite race walkers

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5407976/

LOL...why so angry?  Did somebody just tell you that there is no Santa?

I was enjoying our discussion until you went full psycho.  What in the world is a keto warrior?  What's a keto hero?  What does this make you, a glucose warrior?

And what's your point anymore?  Do you even know?

Are you saying that because most elite endurance athletes (the same who use drugs too to win) have traditionally consumed insane amounts of carbs no matter how harmful to their health that might be, it follows that the keto diet with all of its health benefits is bad for everyone?

My argument as of late has been that low carb diets have many health benefits.  I'm not hung up on low carb for weight loss or low carb for elite endurance athletic performance, although the keto diet is indeed great for weight loss and studies on its effects on elite endurance athletic performance are ongoing.

[Thin Lizzy]

Another Scientist:



https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/7928844/

The crossover point is the power output at which energy from CHO-derived fuels predominates over energy from lipids, with further increases in power eliciting a relative increment in CHO utilization and a decrement in lipid oxidation.

[loco]

Another Scientist:
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/7928844/
The crossover point is the power output at which energy from CHO-derived fuels predominates over energy from lipids, with further increases in power eliciting a relative increment in CHO utilization and a decrement in lipid oxidation.

LOL



What's your point anyway?  Do you even know anymore?

Are you saying that because most elite endurance athletes (the same who use drugs too to win) have traditionally consumed insane amounts of carbs no matter how harmful to their health that might be, it follows that the keto diet with all of its health benefits is bad for everyone?

[Grape Ape]

As stated, I've seen plenty of success stories of endurance athletes, strength, etc doing fine on low/no carb, mostly meat only diets.

Different things work for different people.

[Mr Anabolic]

Another Scientist:



https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/7928844/

The crossover point is the power output at which energy from CHO-derived fuels predominates over energy from lipids, with further increases in power eliciting a relative increment in CHO utilization and a decrement in lipid oxidation.

It's best to just ignore this myopic, fuck tard.  There are trolls like him on many forums and in YT comments section.  He'll spend hours and hours a day on here trying to validate himself... spinning and spinning... telling everyone they are going to die young if they eat carbs.  He most likely has some form of mental illness.

[loco]

It's best to just ignore this myopic, fuck tard.  There are trolls like him on many forums and in YT comments section.  He'll spend hours and hours a day on here trying to validate himself... spinning and spinning... telling everyone they are going to die young if they eat carbs.  He most likely has some form of mental illness.

What's with the anger, name calling and insults?  And why do you keep on lying about what I've said?  When did I say everyone is going to die young if they eat carbs?

At this point, are you and thin arguing with me or with all of the MDs and PhDs I've pointed at whom I've learned this stuff from?

[Al Doggity]

Whoa, even for getbig, this thread took a bizarrely psychotic turn.

[loco]

As stated, I've seen plenty of success stories of endurance athletes, strength, etc doing fine on low/no carb, mostly meat only diets.

Different things work for different people.

You are not alone on this.  All these studies are good, but still inconclusive.  More studies are needed.

Re-Examining High-Fat Diets for Sports Performance: Did We Call the 'Nail in the Coffin' Too Soon?

During the period 1985-2005, studies examined the proposal that adaptation to a low-carbohydrate (<25 % energy), high-fat (>60 % energy) diet (LCHF) to increase muscle fat utilization during exercise could enhance performance in trained individuals by reducing reliance on muscle glycogen. As little as 5 days of training with LCHF retools the muscle to enhance fat-burning capacity with robust changes that persist despite acute strategies to restore carbohydrate availability (e.g., glycogen supercompensation, carbohydrate intake during exercise). Furthermore, a 2- to 3-week exposure to minimal carbohydrate (<20 g/day) intake achieves adaptation to high blood ketone concentrations. However, the failure to detect clear performance benefits during endurance/ultra-endurance protocols, combined with evidence of impaired performance of high-intensity exercise via a down-regulation of carbohydrate metabolism led this author to dismiss the use of such fat-adaptation strategies by competitive athletes in conventional sports. Recent re-emergence of interest in LCHF diets, coupled with anecdotes of improved performance by sportspeople who follow them, has created a need to re-examine the potential benefits of this eating style. Unfortunately, the absence of new data prevents a different conclusion from being made. Notwithstanding the outcomes of future research, there is a need for better recognition of current sports nutrition guidelines that promote an individualized and periodized approach to fuel availability during training, allowing the athlete to prepare for competition performance with metabolic flexibility and optimal utilization of all muscle substrates. Nevertheless, there may be a few scenarios where LCHF diets are of benefit, or at least are not detrimental, for sports performance.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/26553488

[loco]

Whoa, even for getbig, this thread took a bizarrely psychotic turn.

I know, right?  Some people here take this stuff way too seriously and make it personal.  Life's too short.