Vince Taylor vs Kevin Levrone - how to build muscles debate

[pamith]

Not to get off target but it was said back in the day that Cormier was one the strongest

True? Idk

He was strong but Kevin was stronger

[pellius]

Not to get off target but it was said back in the day that Cormier was one the strongest

True? Idk

I use to see Chris pretty regularly at Gold's in the early 1990s when he trained with Flex and one other guy. I don't remember him being especially strong and seem to use the same weights that Flex used. Certainly not the kind of weights Kevin used in his vids.

[bAF1]

I just watched a video of cormier easy repping 12 reps with 405 on incline, the fuck do you smoke

[Dave D]

I just watched a video of cormier easy repping 12 reps with 405 on incline, the fuck do you smoke

This is a common weight and rep set for most gym rats. I regularly see 10-15 guys do this at my gym and you would never think they worked out let alone be considered bodybuilders.

[bAF1]

Total non sense, 10-15 gym rats? perfect rep out 405 for 12 on incline without any help from their spotter you delusional little fuckwit.. you're some kind of stupid

[JD34]

Yep I was 13 years old and 185 lbs and I benched 485...... dude get the fuck out of here!  We have all seen you "natural" tired of the "levrone legend"!  So much bullsht

[Dave D]

Total non sense, 10-15 gym rats? perfect rep out 405 for 12 on incline without any help from their spotter you delusional little fuckwit.. you're some kind of stupid

Did I say perfect reps? No one said perfect reps, is there incline competition reps that I don’t know about?

And I never said these bro’s used spotters either.

[Bevo]

This is a common weight and rep set for most gym rats. I regularly see 10-15 guys do this at my gym and you would never think they worked out let alone be considered bodybuilders.

I believe you, on a good day I would see 16-20

[Bevo]

I just watched a video of cormier easy repping 12 reps with 405 on incline, the fuck do you smoke

He did them all half reps, and first exercise, regardless that is still strong

[Dave D]

He did them all half reps, and first exercise, regardless that is still strong

Bevo are you saying CC wasnt doing perfect reps?

Round here we call that ego training....

[Fortress]

Cormier’s strength claim-to-fame was the incline barbell press. Full stop.

And these were literal half-reps.

Never heard of him doing anything else of note. FLEX had that pictorial of him squatting 675, and in the pics, the reps were, again, half reps. And the body mechanics looked, uh, “unpolished”.

Just another great responder without much of a clue about weight training. And no natural base, either.

As a presser, Levrone owns him.

[JuicedKangaroo]

All about effective reps and maximal fiber recruitment. Be it through heavy loads with less volume or much ligher loads, with far more volume to compensate.

[pellius]

I just watched a video of cormier easy repping 12 reps with 405 on incline, the fuck do you smoke

Jay cranked out some an easy 12 reps with 405 on the incline. He even paused a bit at the bottom on the later reps. He could have easily do another three more.

[Bevo]

Cormier’s strength claim-to-fame was the incline barbell press. Full stop.

And these were literal half-reps.

Never heard of him doing anything else of note. FLEX had that pictorial of him squatting 675, and in the pics, the reps were, again, half reps. And the body mechanics looked, uh, “unpolished”.

Just another great responder without much of a clue about weight training. And no natural base, either.

As a presser, Levrone owns him.

What made Levrone a strong presser was he was doing it a wk out from the O, textbook form with ease

[Bevo]

Jay cranked out some an easy 12 reps with 405 on the incline. He even paused a bit at the bottom on the later reps. He could have easily do another three more.

That’s odd, when jay was in his prime in his training vids, weighing 300+ juiced to the gills, he was struggling big time with that weight, prob did a few reps before Kerry spotted him

In this vid, he’s not nearly the size he was in 2003/2004, and he’s doing it with ease. Something doesn’t add up......

[Humble Narcissist]

I saw Jay work out several times at Gold's Vegas in 2005 and he never used very heavy weights.

[pamith]

This is a common weight and rep set for most gym rats. I regularly see 10-15 guys do this at my gym and you would never think they worked out let alone be considered bodybuilders.

Right...

[pamith]

Jay cranked out some an easy 12 reps with 405 on the incline. He even paused a bit at the bottom on the later reps. He could have easily do another three more.

None of those reps count though because he didn't go all the way down!, I remember seeing a video with I think it was Seth Feroce, or maybe I'm confusing him with Flex Lewis I'm not sure, but the dude, I think it was Seth, was doing 365 lbs on the incline for reps, just like Jay, not going all the way down, it doesn't count! it's always these dudes who don't go all the way down who lack chest development, Arnold and many others who had massive chest development always went all the way down

[Fortress]

What made Levrone a strong presser was he was doing it a wk out from the O, textbook form with ease

How many times do I need to say this.

Most pros and top amateurs are BY FAR at their strongest in the weeks leading to a contest. They’re absolutely drowning in steroids and other assorted anabolic chemicals.

I’ve had quite a few tell me, off the record, how they are insanely strong right before a show.

[Bevo]

How many times do I need to say this.

Most pros and top amateurs are BY FAR at their strongest in the weeks leading to a contest. They’re absolutely drowning in steroids and other assorted anabolic chemicals.

I’ve had quite a few tell me, off the record, how they are insanely strong right before a show.

But the ones I’ve seen were so weak they struggled with 225/275 on flat bench, saying they were very depleted and too low on bf 

[pellius]

None of those reps count though because he didn't go all the way down!, I remember seeing a video with I think it was Seth Feroce, or maybe I'm confusing him with Flex Lewis I'm not sure, but the dude, I think it was Seth, was doing 365 lbs on the incline for reps, just like Jay, not going all the way down, it doesn't count! it's always these dudes who don't go all the way down who lack chest development, Arnold and many others who had massive chest development always went all the way down

They don't go all the way down and touch their chest for the same reason they don't fully lockout. Continuous tension, TUT, Time Under Tension. It's actually harder that way as your muscles are always under tension. When you touch your chest there is a slight pause/rest as well as the bit of the bounce you get coming off your chest. Jay actually pauses a bit on the bottom position, still supporting the whole weight, for a couple of reps which takes all momentum out of the movement. Just pure muscular contraction. It's not reps per se that causes inroads into the muscles but the actual time under tension. Those reps are about as good as you can get for bbing purposes.

[pellius]

How many times do I need to say this.

Most pros and top amateurs are BY FAR at their strongest in the weeks leading to a contest. They’re absolutely drowning in steroids and other assorted anabolic chemicals.

I’ve had quite a few tell me, off the record, how they are insanely strong right before a show.

That doesn't make any sense at all and I've never heard of such a thing. They are in a depleted and dry state. When I trained at Gold's, just before a show the most common complaint was how crappy and deleted they felt. In Jay's video leading up to the 2005 Olympia he sarcastically talked about moving heavy weights prior to a filming. Dorain said one of his biggest mistakes was trying to use the same weight pre-contest when he was depleted and dry making his muscles more susceptible to injuries They are at their strongest when they are bulked up and their muscles are fully hydrated.

[Fortress]

That doesn't make any sense at all and I've never heard of such a thing. They are in a depleted and dry state. When I trained at Gold's, just before a show the most common complaint was how crappy and deleted they felt. In Jay's video leading up to the 2005 Olympia he sarcastically talked about moving heavy weights prior to a filming. Dorain said one of his biggest mistakes was trying to use the same weight pre-contest when he was depleted and dry making his muscles more susceptible to injuries They are at their strongest when they are bulked up and their muscles are fully hydrated.

Seen it, and have had top competitors tell me, time and time again.

[pellius]

Seen it, and have had top competitors tell me, time and time again.

Can you name some of those top competitors? You claim to have seen it but have you felt it yourself? Have you ever dieted down? I have many times and strength has always gone down -- even while using steroids.

Why would you be at your strongest when you are at your lightest bodyweight, carb depleted, and dehydrated. Why don't Power and Olympic lifters cut weight, carb deplete, and dry out before a meet where not only would they be stronger but be able to compete in a lower weight class?

[JuicedKangaroo]

That’s odd, when jay was in his prime in his training vids, weighing 300+ juiced to the gills, he was struggling big time with that weight, prob did a few reps before Kerry spotted him

In this vid, he’s not nearly the size he was in 2003/2004, and he’s doing it with ease. Something doesn’t add up......

Damn, Jay was a big dude. Wonder how much slin Aceto had him on when he was having 1,000 grams of carbs! Up to 100 iu ED?