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Re: Houses of worship “essential services”
« Reply #25 on: May 22, 2020, 05:17:54 PM »
This is a serious post and not a sarcastic one. My guess is that a lot of folks here believe in God and could provide Che with an explanation, but you may just be the man to do it and do it well. You really piss me off sometimes, but I have little doubt that you have a soul and a strong ecumenical core.

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Re: Houses of worship “essential services”
« Reply #26 on: May 22, 2020, 05:20:29 PM »
It's pretty simple - if it's allowable to have a wide array of traffic cruising through Home Depot and Walmart, it makes zero sense to limit gatherings in a place of worship, provided the same social distancing standards are upheld.
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Re: Houses of worship “essential services”
« Reply #27 on: May 22, 2020, 05:40:46 PM »
This is a serious post and not a sarcastic one. My guess is that a lot of folks here believe in God and could provide Che with an explanation, but you may just be the man to do it and do it well. You really piss me off sometimes, but I have little doubt that you have a soul and a strong ecumenical core.


As che and you have asked, I shall try.  I will try and be brief but I know...TLDR, LOL! 

I am the same as all of you.  In fact, I am in some ways probably worse.    Remember if you will, the Pharisees say of the Nazarene, "Who is he to tell us the Scriptures.  He's just a carpenter's son"...I am not even that but I know what is required and when I could no longer give it in truth, I set aside my faith and admitted as much to all.

Some friends were no longer friends, even those that were atheists.  Faith is hope.  You have heard it said that you cannot make a leap of faith in two jumps?  That is true.  Unless you have someone there to catch you between the moments of hopelessness and hope.

For many, that someone is the Nazarene.  Jesus does not want your money.  He does not demand anything but rather asks that you give what you can when you can.  He asks that you live your faith, not just speak it as rote.  This talking "faith" is what many churches do and talk in itself isn't what is cheap, it is double-talk that cheapens the profession of faith.

Do what good you do in private so that no one knows but you.  If God exists as the Nazarene taught, your reward is knowing that you did good for someone in need.  If not, then at least you know that you did something for someone without the slightest bit of wanting something in return. 

In like fashion, even if you do that which is wrong (and there is right and wrong), know that you may be alone but you know what you did was wrong.  If God as the Nazarene taught us exists, then he is more than aware of your transgression. But forgiveness is there for the asking so long as the asking is true.  What was that song, how can there be any "sin" in "sincere"...

Some folks don't like what Jesus said because the meaning sometimes condemns how we want to live.  But while muslime profit said "submit", the Nazarene says "choose".  Free will to accept or not.  Yes, if the Nazarene is true, then there will be judgment at the end of all things.  But the muslime profit just says submit or be killed now.   

Some people need to have faith in a power greater than our own.  This is way there are idiots that follow creatures like Jim Jones or the Purple Sneaker Idiots of a few years ago.  Even the apostles were aware that people would become sheeple and warned against being a "follower" of them.  They adjured believers to follow the Christ, not them.  Not any man.  Just the Christ.

The proof of faith is in the living by it.  Yes, we all slip and fall or as they say, "backslide".  But there's a difference in being mortal and being a total liar.  A Man would admit his sin to himself if not to his God.  He would not shout it from the rooftops nor the street corners.  As with good deeds that are righteous, the unrighteous should be kept to himself and again, if he believes to his God.  And should not be repeated.  Why?

Because the Nazarene said to the woman caught in adultery (funny how the Jews did not catch the man she committed it with), "Go.  And sin no more"  not "Go and sin some more".  Faith is not a "crutch" for the weak.  It is more a guide dog for those that can see but sometimes choose to close their eyes to what is righteous.

This is just how I think.  It may be insufficient but it is from my experience in this life.  I could go on but having to make certain I didn't make too many spelling errors on this long a post is tiring.   ;D

As is my way, in all ways and for always, be well.

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Re: Houses of worship “essential services”
« Reply #28 on: May 22, 2020, 05:45:13 PM »
In some situations, such as a tubal ectopic pregnancy, both will die if the pregnancy progresses and no one intervenes.

The weed shops are not essential just like liquor stores

for some people weed is medicine but I suspect they are open (just like liquor stores) because people some people would go nuts if they were stuck at home all day every day and couldn't get a buzz


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Re: Houses of worship “essential services”
« Reply #29 on: May 22, 2020, 06:13:12 PM »
religious retards are funny,  they actually think going to church, makes them a better person

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Re: Houses of worship “essential services”
« Reply #30 on: May 22, 2020, 06:13:28 PM »
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I wondered what the shit just happened.:)  Lucky for me I'm fairly computer savvy and I live with two computer nerds. So, good luck Mr. Trump @realDonaldTrump with you declarations. 

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Re: Houses of worship “essential services”
« Reply #31 on: May 22, 2020, 06:14:26 PM »
im a right winger in some aspects , but i never understood the religious retards of the republican party, all politicians at the heart are souless cock roaches

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Re: Houses of worship “essential services”
« Reply #32 on: May 22, 2020, 06:19:34 PM »
religious retards are funny,  they actually think going to church, makes them a better person

Going somewhere doesn't make anyone a better person.  I have only known a few people that actually live their faith in the Nazarene. No one is perfect but if you continually point out the speck of sin on your brother's life but ignore the pile of shit that clothes you?

It is very definition of the pot calling the kettle a hebroe.   Aka, the typical televangelist.

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Re: Houses of worship “essential services”
« Reply #33 on: May 22, 2020, 06:29:24 PM »
In some situations, such as a tubal ectopic pregnancy, both will die if the pregnancy progresses and no one intervenes.

The weed shops are not essential just like liquor stores

Not the job of an abortion clinic. That’s a viable medical emergency/procedures and even that’s questionable

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Re: Houses of worship “essential services”
« Reply #34 on: May 22, 2020, 06:29:48 PM »
Open up everything.

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Re: Houses of worship “essential services”
« Reply #35 on: May 22, 2020, 06:33:17 PM »
Going somewhere doesn't make anyone a better person.  I have only known a few people that actually live their faith in the Nazarene. No one is perfect but if you continually point out the speck of sin on your brother's life but ignore the pile of shit that clothes you?

It is very definition of the pot calling the kettle a hebroe.   Aka, the typical televangelist.

great point scott,

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Re: Houses of worship “essential services”
« Reply #36 on: May 22, 2020, 07:21:26 PM »
Going somewhere doesn't make anyone a better person.  I have only known a few people that actually live their faith in the Nazarene. No one is perfect but if you continually point out the speck of sin on your brother's life but ignore the pile of shit that clothes you?

It is very definition of the pot calling the kettle a hebroe.   Aka, the typical televangelist.

Man oh man, you are getting great at this, or maybe you always were this astute. Why is it the one's with the pointy fingers are so often the folk's that have missed the point altogether. You are on a roll. Gotta love it.  :)

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Re: Houses of worship “essential services”
« Reply #37 on: May 22, 2020, 08:24:43 PM »
Man oh man, you are getting great at this, or maybe you always were this astute. Why is it the one's with the pointy fingers are so often the folk's that have missed the point altogether. You are on a roll. Gotta love it.  :)

I have been asked to leave more than a few churches because I would confront the pastor about the car they drove or the home they had.  It seems every time it was a "love gift" because they "took care of their flock".

I told them they fleeced 'em and reminded them that the Apostles were working men, fishermen to be exact. But if not near the waters they would rely on those they took care of spiritually but never did those men screw anyone over like a mondern day clkergyman. 

Being a "man of God" does not mean you can be a man of means and that by other folks hard work.  A living when needed, yes.  But never should a minister be a leech. This was when I had faith.  That was lost by not only looking in the mirror and failing to see God but also looking in the mirror of the folks around me and seeing nothing of good, let alone God.

I am  too tired to correct my spelling. Sorry. I am on medicine and while it helps it makes me even dumber, LOL!!

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Re: Houses of worship “essential services”
« Reply #38 on: May 23, 2020, 05:06:00 AM »
the trumpster just playing to his base a very smart move.he wants to be the face of the church re-openings.       
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Re: Houses of worship “essential services”
« Reply #39 on: May 23, 2020, 05:14:26 AM »
As soon as you can explain (competently) to me first how abortion clinics and weed shops are deemed “essential”
             
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Re: Houses of worship “essential services”
« Reply #40 on: May 23, 2020, 05:23:16 AM »
In some situations, such as a tubal ectopic pregnancy, both will die if the pregnancy progresses and no one intervenes.

The weed shops are not essential just like liquor stores

Please, that rare situation is handled in hospitals and not planned parenthood.

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« Reply #41 on: May 24, 2020, 11:52:35 AM »
I have been asked to leave more than a few churches because I would confront the pastor about the car they drove or the home they had.  It seems every time it was a "love gift" because they "took care of their flock".

I told them they fleeced 'em and reminded them that the Apostles were working men, fishermen to be exact. But if not near the waters they would rely on those they took care of spiritually but never did those men screw anyone over like a mondern day clkergyman. 

Being a "man of God" does not mean you can be a man of means and that by other folks hard work.  A living when needed, yes.  But never should a minister be a leech. This was when I had faith.  That was lost by not only looking in the mirror and failing to see God but also looking in the mirror of the folks around me and seeing nothing of good, let alone God.

I am  too tired to correct my spelling. Sorry. I am on medicine and while it helps it makes me even dumber, LOL!!
Should pastors be peasants?  I'm not religious but if someone thinks another person is helping them get to heaven why wouldn't they pay them?  Do doctors get paid?  If a person gets paid to cure your body why wouldn't someone get paid to cure your soul?

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Re: Houses of worship “essential services”
« Reply #42 on: May 24, 2020, 01:13:42 PM »
Should pastors be peasants?  I'm not religious but if someone thinks another person is helping them get to heaven why wouldn't they pay them?  Do doctors get paid?  If a person gets paid to cure your body why wouldn't someone get paid to cure your soul?

A minister is a guide there to adjure them according to the Word.  Unless you include military priests/pastors, I only know of one that had a real job. I have personally seen people out of work that have not received help from their pastor.  Over twenty years ago, a pastor I knew had a new home costing well over $400,000 at the time.  It was a "love gift" from his flock.  That's BS.

You must use common sense to determine the truth of each situation.  This same pastor became ill for a period of time and the assistant pastor tried a coup, if you will.  Big church, big money and I have zero doubts that was a major consideration/motive.  The senior pastor was suddenly well enough to resume his "duties" and the assistant was suddenly out  to look for a new place to start his own church with guidance from the Lord...

It is not a sin to be a man of means so long as you made it yourself in an honest manner.  But as the Nazarene pointed out, you cannot serve two masters.  Sometimes it seems there is a third master and that being the ego of some men.

This is why believers in the Nazarene should follow no man but rather the Christ.  Guilt is a powerful tool that is often used by false ministers.  I and my family were on the Jim and Tammy Baker show as children.  My father was skeptical and pointed out to me that they had "color TV cameras" which were quite rare in the early sixties.  We all know the truth of their falsehoods that have been exposed over the decades and they were not alone in their thieving ways. 

If you are a believer keep in mind that it is not enough to just know the Nazarene as even the minions of Hell know that.  I had one pastor that told the assembly that he "felt led to ask each member for a $100 love gift" as God had spoken to him thus.  I told  him to offer us proof that this was indeed not only a commandment from God but also that it would go to God's work.  He replied haughtily to me before the church, "How dare you question the Lord!"

I simply told him I was questioning a man and nothing more.  I left and some people followed.  That many remained simply means that the shears were about to come out.  Again.

Hopefully I have answered your question and that I didn't lose you with my wordiness.  ;D

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Re: Houses of worship “essential services”
« Reply #43 on: May 24, 2020, 02:17:01 PM »
Trump is desperate for voters. Hence houses of worship now becoming "essential services".

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Re: Houses of worship “essential services”
« Reply #44 on: May 24, 2020, 02:57:39 PM »
Trump is desperate for voters. Hence houses of worship now becoming "essential services".

Not true.  What is true is that Americans, REAL Americans have  been waiting, and some even praying, for a REAL American to run and win the White House back for REAL Americans.   

Given your caustic remarks I take it you're one of those that calls it "The House of White Privilege" now that schmOebama is gone from it? 

There is absolutely nothing wrong with people who have faith in that which is good and President Trump is just that and more.  So much more in fact. 

I am proud that he is our President.

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Re: Houses of worship “essential services”
« Reply #45 on: May 24, 2020, 03:09:02 PM »
Trump is the entertainer in chief. Slow motion car crash. China is the world’s superpower now.

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Re: Houses of worship “essential services”
« Reply #46 on: May 24, 2020, 03:25:18 PM »
@Che & SF1900 - I'll bet if the two of you watch The Case For Christ available on Netflix at least 4 times with your significant others, you'd be singing different tunes.   ;D

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Re: Houses of worship “essential services”
« Reply #47 on: May 24, 2020, 05:08:39 PM »
Trump is the entertainer in chief. Slow motion car crash. China is the world’s superpower now.

What’s your avatar from?

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« Reply #48 on: May 24, 2020, 09:14:05 PM »
What’s your avatar from?

Maybe it's from Orwell's "Animal Farm"?  Napoleon the head pig?  Just guessing.

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Re: Houses of worship “essential services”
« Reply #49 on: May 25, 2020, 05:10:40 AM »
Trump is the entertainer in chief. Slow motion car crash. China is the world’s superpower now.
Ha, ha, sure it is.