Mr Canada 50 years ago! May 31, 1970.

[Walter Sobchak]

of course they were but let´s be honest here. If Drugs were the holy grail we would all be Mr O. Zane looked light years away from this Vince guy.
Discussion closed !

You’re a sad gimmick.

The kind of guy who lets other men shit in his mouth.

[Humble Narcissist]

Chuck Sipes was the guest poser. He also gave a strongman demonstration where he bent a steel bar and steel spikes. He had Ray read out a message which

ended in "My God, my strength!" After the show a few of us went to the hardware store to buy some 6 inch spikes. Chuck put a cloth around the spike and bent

it in one motion. Very impressive. We could bend a 6 inch spike, too, but it took much longer. I ended up bending a 7 inch spike.

Here is Chuck bending a steel bar. We didn't try this one!

Chuck Sipes was super strong.  I used to overtrain just reading his training routines.

[JAGO]

Chuck Sipes was the guest poser. He also gave a strongman demonstration where he bent a steel bar and steel spikes. He had Ray read out a message which

ended in "My God, my strength!" After the show a few of us went to the hardware store to buy some 6 inch spikes. Chuck put a cloth around the spike and bent

it in one motion. Very impressive. We could bend a 6 inch spike, too, but it took much longer. I ended up bending a 7 inch spike.

Here is Chuck bending a steel bar. We didn't try this one!

From what I’ve heard, the only 7 inchS spike you were ever interested in bending were attached to 16 year old hairless Swedish boys.

J

[Teutonic Knight 1]

Any man who attempts to steal any of my gym equipment is a dead man!

Get real, nobody wants or needs your junk !. 

4 years ago Roz couldn't sell that crap on auction ! 

Try ebay , 

[Teutonic Knight 1]

Had I gone to LA I might have gone further in bodybuilding.

 


Had I gone to Madrid or Milan I might play for Real Madrid or AC Milan 

[Teutonic Knight 1]

Yes, I met the good doctor Walczak in Vancouver in the summer of 1970. He was at English Bay Beach and we had a conversation. He said I looked good and could win the Mr Universe title with another 6 months of training in LA. Deca Durabolin.

Safety Fatso posted this BS already 5 or 6 X on GB ,  !.

Other ways you "would" smash Oliva,Arnold,Pearl..............................

STOP bullshiting yourself silly old man !.

[Teutonic Knight 1]

I said my goal was to beat Frank Zane. Obviously, not with the physique of 1970 but an enhanced one. Had I trained at Golds Gym, Venice, in those days I would have been properly

Repetitive dementia to the max !.

[Vince B]

I must be important. I have my own personal troll to annoy me. Teutonic Knight aka Iron Cross. We have yet to see a photo of this internet hero and tough guy!

[pellius]

Vince for what it`s worth the first steroid I ever took was CIBA D-Bol 3 Five mg. tablets and at that time I looked great,felt great and my strength increases were amazing.

I had a double bodyweight bench press.........not incredible but credible just the same.

I never felt guilty for taking them and neither should you because I`ll guarantee you that most guys in the 1970 Canada were using someting (I can tell from the pics ).

Personally I think roids can be and are beneficial to athletes and others it`s just the abuse of them like the morons who compete these days that will ruin your health.

I competed mostly in the NPC where if I had the money I would have beaten far more people.................. ...at times I competed using Tesosterone alone a good work etic and a Spartanlike diet and still placed swell while others were on boatloads.

Back in those days, 1980s, it seems that everybody that first started on anabolic used Ciba Dianabol, and it was always 1 tab three times per day (15mg) follow by Deca, 200mg/wk or every other week. When I was still a teen I remember an article by Mentzer who said that his first experience was anabolic was 15mgs/day Dianabol and 200mg/wk Deca. He was one of the first, if not the first, to openly admit to using steroids. So when I first hooked up with Dr. Walczak and he prescribed that same amount I was thinking it won't be long before I start looking like Mike -- lol. The naivete of youth.

[pellius]

of course they were but let´s be honest here. If Drugs were the holy grail we would all be Mr O. Zane looked light years away from this Vince guy.
Discussion closed !

Looking at Vince back in those days I don't think it would have been an unrealistic goal. He was mostly natural during his career and I think he only took one dbol tab a day. He can confirm and he has no reason to lie at this point. But, say, he took the standard dose everybody else started with, 3 tabs (15mg/day) that is still nothing compared to what the pros were taking. Taking Vince's Mr. Canada condition and add 15, maybe 20 pounds, of lean muscle and dropping to 5% bodyfat (he looks about 7-8% in the pictures) with a couple of tabs of Lasik a day before the show to dry out, which is very possible looking at his genetics with 600mg/wk Deca and 25mg/day of dbol, which I believe is still quite a bit below to what pros were using in those days he may have given Zane a run for his money.
 

[Walter Sobchak]

Looking at Vince back in those days I don't think it would have been an unrealistic goal. He was mostly natural during his career and I think he only took one dbol tab a day. He can confirm and he has no reason to lie at this point. But, say, he took the standard dose everybody else started with, 3 tabs (15mg/day) that is still nothing compared to what the pros were taking. Taking Vince's Mr. Canada condition and add 15, maybe 20 pounds, of lean muscle and dropping to 5% bodyfat (he looks about 7-8% in the pictures) with a couple of tabs of Lasik a day before the show to dry out, which is very possible looking at his genetics with 600mg/wk Deca and 25mg/day of dbol, which I believe is still quite a bit below to what pros were using in those days he may have given Zane a run for his money.
 

Agreed.

Vince was not that far away from where Zane was in 1970. Who knows where he would have ended up after 6-7 years in the Southern California scene. There are still a lot of people who believe that the Zane “aesthetic” supremacy was a Weider construct to make sure the Mentzer Heavy Duty program never prevailed over the Weider Principles.

[Vince B]

Looking at Vince back in those days I don't think it would have been an unrealistic goal. He was mostly natural during his career and I think he only took one dbol tab a day. He can confirm and he has no reason to lie at this point. But, say, he took the standard dose everybody else started with, 3 tabs (15mg/day) that is still nothing compared to what the pros were taking. Taking Vince's Mr. Canada condition and add 15, maybe 20 pounds, of lean muscle and dropping to 5% bodyfat (he looks about 7-8% in the pictures) with a couple of tabs of Lasik a day before the show to dry out, which is very possible looking at his genetics with 600mg/wk Deca and 25mg/day of dbol, which I believe is still quite a bit below to what pros were using in those days he may have given Zane a run for his money.
 

I took 2 Dianabol tablets a day. Most of us were afraid of getting cancer if we took steroids. Quite the deterrent for most of us. The guys who were using kept their mouths shut so it was hard to find out about the drugs. When I searched the literature there was confusion because many studies claimed steroids weren't effective. That isn't what the gym rats knew!
Zane was known as the Chemist. Well, he figured out what to do re getting cut. I never got those deep cuts in my thighs. Neither did Bill Pearl, by the way.

I followed bodybuilding very closely since 1960. There were plenty of controversies in the Mr Olympia. Zane beat a lot of the top guys and who knows what the judges were looking for. I always believed bodybuilding was mainly about getting muscles as big as possible. So the biggest guy should win. Like Paul Dillette. Paul was from Canada but never won the Mr Canada. He got disqualified!

[Vince B]

Agreed.

Vince was not that far away from where Zane was in 1970. Who knows where he would have ended up after 6-7 years in the Southern California scene. There are still a lot of people who believe that the Zane “aesthetic” supremacy was a Weider construct to make sure the Mentzer Heavy Duty program never prevailed over the Weider Principles.

I appreciate your comment. When I get properly motivated I tend to achieve most things I set my mind to. I always felt Zane was over rated. Maybe the magazines wanted this clean cut, educated guy to be the image of lifting weights. Goodness knows bodybuilding has had its share of knuckleheads over the decades. I saw Frank pose at the 1980 Mr Olympia. His skin had a red colour. There he was slowly doing his favourite poses. The crowd didn't go nuts but he held the poses a long time. He just didn't seem like a big guy. All those fancy poses but no real size. How on earth did he win 3 Olympias? Imagine what Mike and Robbie must have felt losing to him? Well, that is all water under the bridge and talking now about those days doesn't mean much. I didn't like Frank when I met him and I can tell you had I been training in the same gym I would have been totally motivated. Heck, I was training in Golds when Arnold was there. Also Dave Draper trained in the morning. I was sleeping in my VW Beetle for a couple of weeks so I waited for the gym to open to train and have a shower. I remember enjoying training my calves then waiting for Dave to arrive and train his small calves. He used a lot of weight but didn't get much of a result. Nice guy, Dave Draper. Arnold...well, he always looked out for himself. What more can anyone say about him?

[Teutonic Knight 1]

I must be important. I have my own personal troll to annoy me. Teutonic Knight aka Iron Cross. We have yet to see a photo of this internet hero and tough guy!

Guess who's pay's me .....

Where should I go this time.....Rangoon,Vientiane,Saigon or ..........

Don't worry, you'll get a postcard !.

[Vince B]

Guess who's pay's me .....

Where should I go this time.....Rangoon,Vientiane,Saigon or ..........

Don't worry, you'll get a postcard !.

No one would be silly enough to pay you anything! What have you achieved in life? Well, you are a regular on Getbig and that is about it.

[Vince B]

Compare shots of Zane with Dennis Tinerino in 1980. Zane was lucky to place 3rd.

[Vince B]

It amuses me that so many of the champs figured they were great posers. Well, both Arnold and Zane had no clue about doing the front lat spread. Look where Frank puts his hands. Looks silly like that. Reg Park showed us how to do that pose in the fifties.

[Teutonic Knight 1]

No one would be silly enough to pay you anything! What have you achieved in life? Well, you are a regular on Getbig and that is about it.

Re-read your own writings 

Let me see  I have a 3 push bikes, 2 skateboards, 4 surfboards,40 pairs of sneakers, tons of pirated dvd's,complete set of Trasher mag +

Frank Zane t-shirt ,Paul Graham trophy, GetBig membership (my most valuable possession)........................ ........oh, yes I have aaa 8m long climbing rope too ...........

[Vince B]

At the 1970 Mr Canada contest there was also a Mr Pacific Northwest for BC, Alberta, Alaska and Washington states.

No one came from the US. Ken Rivard didn't enter this contest so John Mikl, a junior came second. He won Mr Canada

in 1972. There was no contest in 1969 or 1971. Ben Weider charged too much money to promote the contest.

Walter Milner, guy with glasses in the back, won Mr Canada in 1975. He was from Manitoba.

By the way, most of us discover that shots taken from below the stage make us look smaller and narrower.

[Vince B]

Re-read your own writings 

Let me see  I have a 3 push bikes, 2 skateboards, 4 surfboards,40 pairs of sneakers, tons of pirated dvd's,complete set of Trasher mag +

Frank Zane t-shirt ,Paul Graham trophy, GetBig membership (my most valuable possession)........................ ........oh, yes I have aaa 8m long climbing rope too ...........

You boasted that you were a sponsored pro athlete...Red Bull was one sponsor. I looked but couldn't find anyone sounding like a beach bum.

You claimed you own several beach houses up near Port Douglas. Very nice if true.

[Teutonic Knight 1]

You boasted that you were a sponsored pro athlete...Red Bull was one sponsor. I looked but couldn't find anyone sounding like a beach bum.

You claimed you own several beach houses up near Port Douglas. Very nice if true.

Vince, honestly U A so bloody boooriiing !. Attend skateboard comp & you'll see who sponsors them, or surfing 1.

I like old beach shacks or pole houses, never like brick/concrete homes !. Old Howard Holt shack on Garners beach is for sale , buy it !.

[Vince B]

I was up north last October. Made it to Port Douglas. Nice place and no winter there. Like southern florida, but better.

[wes]

Sorry but Zane was correct in his analysis of you.

WELCOME TO THE THUNDERDOME............. ........................ .........FUCKFACE !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1111111111111111111

[Humble Narcissist]

I appreciate your comment. When I get properly motivated I tend to achieve most things I set my mind to. I always felt Zane was over rated. Maybe the magazines wanted this clean cut, educated guy to be the image of lifting weights. Goodness knows bodybuilding has had its share of knuckleheads over the decades. I saw Frank pose at the 1980 Mr Olympia. His skin had a red colour. There he was slowly doing his favourite poses. The crowd didn't go nuts but he held the poses a long time. He just didn't seem like a big guy. All those fancy poses but no real size. How on earth did he win 3 Olympias? Imagine what Mike and Robbie must have felt losing to him? Well, that is all water under the bridge and talking now about those days doesn't mean much. I didn't like Frank when I met him and I can tell you had I been training in the same gym I would have been totally motivated. Heck, I was training in Golds when Arnold was there. Also Dave Draper trained in the morning. I was sleeping in my VW Beetle for a couple of weeks so I waited for the gym to open to train and have a shower. I remember enjoying training my calves then waiting for Dave to arrive and train his small calves. He used a lot of weight but didn't get much of a result. Nice guy, Dave Draper. Arnold...well, he always looked out for himself. What more can anyone say about him?

I do not understand why a pro bodybuilder would not master posing.  It is literally the only thing they do on stage when competing.  Most bodybuilders are very dim individuals.

[JAGO]

Looking at Vince back in those days I don't think it would have been an unrealistic goal. He was mostly natural during his career and I think he only took one dbol tab a day. He can confirm and he has no reason to lie at this point. But, say, he took the standard dose everybody else started with, 3 tabs (15mg/day) that is still nothing compared to what the pros were taking. Taking Vince's Mr. Canada condition and add 15, maybe 20 pounds, of lean muscle and dropping to 5% bodyfat (he looks about 7-8% in the pictures) with a couple of tabs of Lasik a day before the show to dry out, which is very possible looking at his genetics with 600mg/wk Deca and 25mg/day of dbol, which I believe is still quite a bit below to what pros were using in those days he may have given Zane a run for his money.
 

Zane a run for his money - ROFFFFFFFFFLLLLLLLLL!

J