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« Reply #150 on: June 03, 2020, 08:19:54 PM »
I'm at home far away from these scumbags.  If they come out to the sticks and come on my property there will be a lot of dead dindus.

Guess you haven't seen the videos on the news. 'Dindus' are the minority in these protests now going on all over the world.

According to what people think on Getbig, I famously notoriously live in a Lilly white suburb of Portland, which is actually true since, according to the demographics, blacks are less then 1% of the population in this 'upscale' town. So, you can imagine my shock and awe when I was coming home today from a shopping trip to Costco and and low an behold, right at busy off and on ramps to the 205 were what looked like three women (two of which may have been teenagers) standing by the roadside holding up homemade signs which read "BLACK LIVES MATTER". Oddly enough all three of them were clearly not 'dindus' as they were white as white can be.

Getbig has a thread devoted to police brutality. I have not checked, but has anything been posted in that thread about the knee to the neck for 8 and a half minutes incident that contributed to killing a man who now has people all over the world protesting? What I think some folks on Getbig are missing is that this horrific incident is an example of the danger all of us are in of losing our constitutional rights. Paint George Floyd however you want. He may have been the scum of the earth. But did he deserve to die because he attempted to pass a counterfeit $20 bill or because he struggled against being arrested and not posing any threat?

Anyone who thinks this is something that can only happen to black folks is delusional. Once we become (even more of) a police state, all of us are in danger of having a knee to our throats, while we lay there pleading for our lives and being not only ignored but being laughed at while we slowly die. Maybe our only crime is that we objected to this happening to another human being and so we exercised our right to protest.

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« Reply #151 on: June 03, 2020, 08:24:49 PM »
Hi pellius.  I was referring to the explicitly divisive stance (via social media and more official channels) Trump has taken over several sociopolitical issues during his presidency vs. the actual power of offered to his presidential privileges that you mention.  I mean, it's basically been his bitter public vitriol against any and all critics and opposers of his efforts and stances.  IMO, his biggest success has been the relative health of the economy, which was very likely driven by circumstances out of his control.  That last 2 real tests to his presidency (pandemic and fallout, and this race issue) have been disasters for his incessant leadership style. 

Disclaimer.  I'm not an American citizen, so I have no real skin in this game other than economic fallout that impacts my country of residence.

I'll address your points.

"his bitter public vitriol against any and all critics and opposers"
No President in history has been attacked and plotted against by his own government and intelligence agencies more than Trump . He's a fighter and is not going to sugar coat anything. He'll tell a reporter during his press briefing that his news organization is fake news and he's a liar right to his face. He'll call it the "China Virus" because it came from China not because he's a racist. No one has ever done this before. The press is used to being kowtowed to because of the power they have to shape public opinion. But Trump isn't going to bow down to anybody and will use Twitter to bypass the press.

"relative health of the economy, which was very likely driven by circumstances out of his control.

Are you fucking kidding me? Are you so anti-Trump that you believe he had very little to do with the economic upturn? When Trump cut corporate tax rates from 35%, the highest in the world, to 21%, the effect was immediate. Immediate! Here in Hawaii, wages for entry-level rose in many jobs and
Banks from $12/hr to $15/hr and many also got an additional cash bonus. All within weeks of cutting taxes! Real money in people's pockets within weeks. Unemployment was the lowest it has ever been in over fifty years. Still, Trump haters complained that their tax refund was lower than before. Yes, idiots, it's because you paid less taxes. You got to keep more of the money that you earned.

His slashing of regulations which decreased the cost of doing business cause a boom to business and employment. His overruling the Dodd-Frank bank reform was especially helpful to community banks.

The list goes on and on regarding Trump's policies, coming directly from Trump, caused the economic boom and it wasn't going to happen on its own.

That last 2 real tests to his presidency (pandemic and fallout, and this race issue) have been disasters for his incessant leadership style.

Please tell me what Trump should have done given the information he got and was getting from experts in the field regarding the Pandemic? He restricted travel from China within the first month and later from the EU despite being blasted as xenophobic. On the day the coronavirus was first confirmed in the U.S., January 21st., Dr Fauci said on TV, “Obviously, you need to take it seriously and do the kind of things the (Centers for Disease Control and Prevention) and the Department of Homeland Security is doing. But this is not a major threat to the people of the United States and this is not something that the citizens of the United States right now should be worried about.”

Despite this announcement, Trump still instituted a travel ban on China nine days later.

And please tell me, tell all of us, what can and what is the President suppose to do to regarding race relations? I want specific action items and not these broad generalizations that Libs like to use like, "promote more equality, fairness, and diversity." Give a policy. Some real-world hands-on actions and policies and not the standard insipid, feel-good, pablum that comes from the Left.








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« Reply #152 on: June 03, 2020, 08:45:21 PM »
Guess you haven't seen the videos on the news. 'Dindus' are the minority in these protests now going on all over the world.

According to what people think on Getbig, I famously notoriously live in a Lilly white suburb of Portland, which is actually true since, according to the demographics, blacks are less then 1% of the population in this 'upscale' town. So, you can imagine my shock and awe when I was coming home today from a shopping trip to Costco and and low an behold, right at busy off and on ramps to the 205 were what looked like three women (two of which may have been teenagers) standing by the roadside holding up homemade signs which read "BLACK LIVES MATTER". Oddly enough all three of them were clearly not 'dindus' as they were white as white can be.

Getbig has a thread devoted to police brutality. I have not checked, but has anything been posted in that thread about the knee to the neck for 8 and a half minutes incident that contributed to killing a man who now has people all over the world protesting? What I think some folks on Getbig are missing is that this horrific incident is an example of the danger all of us are in of losing our constitutional rights. Paint George Floyd however you want. He may have been the scum of the earth. But did he deserve to die because he attempted to pass a counterfeit $20 bill or because he struggled against being arrested and not posing any threat?

Anyone who thinks this is something that can only happen to black folks is delusional. Once we become (even more of) a police state, all of us are in danger of having a knee to our throats, while we lay there pleading for our lives and being not only ignored but being laughed at while we slowly die. Maybe our only crime is that we objected to this happening to another human being and so we exercised our right to protest.

I'm not sure what point you are trying to make. Humble's post makes zero references to "Dindues" or Blacks. It is pretty much universal that what the cop did to Floyd was reprehensible. All four officers have been arrested and are in jail awaiting charges. Right now it's at 2nd-degree murder for the lead officer Derek Chavin. What more is suppose to be done? It's no longer talked about because now the riots are and should be the main concern. These riots now have nothing to do with social justice but about looting and getting as much as you can however you can get it and in the process destroying people's businesses and lives along with future economic opportunity, therefore, destroying an entire city.

I just saw on TV a fat Black woman talking in that grating ghetto-like slang that they are not giving up until they get justice. What does that mean? The cop is arrested. He is in jail. He is now charged with 2nd degree murder which carries a sentence of 40 years. The other officers involved are now in custody charged with aiding and abetting second-degree murder and aiding and abetting second-degree manslaughter.

So what more has to be done to stop the "rioting"? My answer is that it has nothing to do with Floyd and the officers. The rioting will stop once the thugs are met with an overwhelming show of force which should have been done on day one.

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« Reply #153 on: June 03, 2020, 09:35:08 PM »
I'll address your points.

"his bitter public vitriol against any and all critics and opposers"
No President in history has been attacked and plotted against by his own government and intelligence agencies more than Trump . He's a fighter and is not going to sugar coat anything. He'll tell a reporter during his press briefing that his news organization is fake news and he's a liar right to his face. He'll call it the "China Virus" because it came from China not because he's a racist. No one has ever done this before. The press is used to being kowtowed to because of the power they have to shape public opinion. But Trump isn't going to bow down to anybody and will use Twitter to bypass the press.

"relative health of the economy, which was very likely driven by circumstances out of his control.

Are you fucking kidding me? Are you so anti-Trump that you believe he had very little to do with the economic upturn? When Trump cut corporate tax rates from 35%, the highest in the world, to 21%, the effect was immediate. Immediate! Here in Hawaii, wages for entry-level rose in many jobs and
Banks from $12/hr to $15/hr and many also got an additional cash bonus. All within weeks of cutting taxes! Real money in people's pockets within weeks. Unemployment was the lowest it has ever been in over fifty years. Still, Trump haters complained that their tax refund was lower than before. Yes, idiots, it's because you paid less taxes. You got to keep more of the money that you earned.

His slashing of regulations which decreased the cost of doing business cause a boom to business and employment. His overruling the Dodd-Frank bank reform was especially helpful to community banks.

The list goes on and on regarding Trump's policies, coming directly from Trump, caused the economic boom and it wasn't going to happen on its own.

That last 2 real tests to his presidency (pandemic and fallout, and this race issue) have been disasters for his incessant leadership style.

Please tell me what Trump should have done given the information he got and was getting from experts in the field regarding the Pandemic? He restricted travel from China within the first month and later from the EU despite being blasted as xenophobic. On the day the coronavirus was first confirmed in the U.S., January 21st., Dr Fauci said on TV, “Obviously, you need to take it seriously and do the kind of things the (Centers for Disease Control and Prevention) and the Department of Homeland Security is doing. But this is not a major threat to the people of the United States and this is not something that the citizens of the United States right now should be worried about.”

Despite this announcement, Trump still instituted a travel ban on China nine days later.

And please tell me, tell all of us, what can and what is the President suppose to do to regarding race relations? I want specific action items and not these broad generalizations that Libs like to use like, "promote more equality, fairness, and diversity." Give a policy. Some real-world hands-on actions and policies and not the standard insipid, feel-good, pablum that comes from the Left.

Good post Pellius.

Its easy to criticize any leader, but its even easier to forget what the advice was regarding the Coronavirus in the beginning.  Trump catches a lot of flak for cutting funding  for the pandemic team, and it may be justified, but what country handled the virus well? Who was responsible for giving advice on how to tackle the virus?

At the very worst the social distancing was the best we could do. There are alot of complaints about the lack of ventilators, but now doctors are discovering that using those may actually be worse for patients.

Trump has his issues but this guy hasnt gotten a fair chance since day one. He was thought to be a joke when he announced his candidacy, they thought he was going to be impeached and now his opponents are so desperate to make sure he isnt elected they'll burn the whole country down to see it happen.

Somehow Trump has been painted as a racist, yet when the Minnesota incident occurred those same people were furious he didnt say and do something immediately.

Im also tired of every talking head saying  he doesn't care about the country, only his reelection, and that he is the great divider as if any other political option presented would be any different.



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« Reply #154 on: June 04, 2020, 12:25:37 AM »
Good post Pellius.

Its easy to criticize any leader, but its even easier to forget what the advice was regarding the Coronavirus in the beginning.  Trump catches a lot of flak for cutting funding  for the pandemic team, and it may be justified, but what country handled the virus well? Who was responsible for giving advice on how to tackle the virus?

At the very worst the social distancing was the best we could do. There are alot of complaints about the lack of ventilators, but now doctors are discovering that using those may actually be worse for patients.

Trump has his issues but this guy hasnt gotten a fair chance since day one. He was thought to be a joke when he announced his candidacy, they thought he was going to be impeached and now his opponents are so desperate to make sure he isnt elected they'll burn the whole country down to see it happen.

Somehow Trump has been painted as a racist, yet when the Minnesota incident occurred those same people were furious he didnt say and do something immediately.

Im also tired of every talking head saying  he doesn't care about the country, only his reelection, and that he is the great divider as if any other political option presented would be any different.


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« Reply #155 on: June 04, 2020, 03:37:19 AM »
The world has seen worse, how so? Also, has there ever been a time when we see such events all happen at the same time? We've read of world wars, pandemics and a great depression, but I'm not sure we've seen them all happen at the same time.

I'm sure hoping we turn the corner from this, but some cities (like New York City) have already suffered from 3 months of pandemic deaths, closed businesses, hard hit local economy and now riots/looting. It's bad man.

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Yes, the US and the entire world has seen worse throughout history, many times.  I could take the time to compose a long list of examples with references, but I believe this should be enough.  Let's look at just a few of many events unfolding all at the same time during the year 1918 alone.  I'm sure many people around the world that year felt the same way you do now.

World War I and the "Spanish flu" pandemic:
"An estimated 675,000 Americans died of influenza during the pandemic, ten times as many as in the world war. Of the U.S. soldiers who died in Europe, half of them fell to the influenza virus and not to the enemy (Deseret News). An estimated 43,000 servicemen mobilized for WWI died of influenza (Crosby). 1918 would go down as unforgettable year of suffering and death"
https://virus.stanford.edu/uda/

Prohibition Proposal and Ratification:
The US was a "Nation of Drunks" at the time, a time when Americans drank whiskey like it was water, leading to higher rates of husbands beating their wife and children, higher cirrhosis death rates, higher admissions to state mental hospitals for alcoholic psychosis, higher arrests for public drunkenness, and higher rates of absenteeism.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prohibition_in_the_United_States#Development_of_the_prohibition_movement

https://www.pastemagazine.com/drink/alcohol-history/the-1800s-when-americans-drank-whiskey-like-it-was/


The Great Train Wreck of 1918 occurred on July 9, 1918, in Nashville, Tennessee. Two passenger trains, operated by the Nashville, Chattanooga and St. Louis Railway ("NC&StL"), collided head-on, costing at least 101 lives and injuring an additional 171. It is considered the worst rail accident in United States history
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Train_Wreck_of_1918

The Russian Revolution, the beginning of the Soviet Union.
The Russian Revolution was a period of political and social revolution across the territory of the Russian Empire, commencing with the abolition of the monarchy in 1917, and concluding in 1923 after the Bolshevik establishment of the Soviet Union at the end of the Civil War.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_Revolution

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« Reply #156 on: June 04, 2020, 03:38:14 AM »
Maybe the Civil War or more accurately, the War Between the States, where almost more Americans were killed than all the previous wars combined.

During the Great Depression when we didn't have the safety nets that we have today people will literally (and I am using the word "literally" correctly here) were starving and freezing to death.

Right now, a huge amount of people are actually doing much better because of the Pandemic. All those entry-level workers, the majority of the working force, that were making $325/wk at their jobs are now getting $250/wk unemployment and an additional $600/wk from the Federal government pocketing $850/wk. Way more than they ever made in their lives.

People forget, or never really knew, how much real suffering previous generations experience day to day.

Good post, pellius!

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« Reply #157 on: June 04, 2020, 04:26:02 AM »
I don't know about you guys, but sometimes we joke around about the end of time and possible overthrow of the greater system at large, but now that I stop to look around, it's sure starting to feel a lot like the end of the world.

Worldwide Pandemic ✔️
Death of hundreds of thousands ✔️
Tanking of world economy ✔️
Millions losing jobs ✔️
Social injustice rampant ✔️
Worldwide protesting & looting ✔️

It almost feels as if we are about to enter the purge. That or as if we might possibly be about to truly overgrown the system. Or, it might not be anything more than a shitty year at worst.

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There is a youtuber (he has several MIT degrees) who pointed out that the first 2 decades of every century start off in global crisis mode, and how that's dealt with determines how the rest of the century turns out.

We will either be in for misery like most of the last century or there will be a renaissance. We'll know soon, say a couple of years which way things are headed for us..

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« Reply #158 on: June 04, 2020, 05:41:21 AM »
There is a youtuber (he has several MIT degrees) who pointed out that the first 2 decades of every century start off in global crisis mode, and how that's dealt with determines how the rest of the century turns out.

We will either be in for misery like most of the last century or there will be a renaissance. We'll know soon, say a couple of years which way things are headed for us..

Everything has been getting worse every year since year 2000 so it's not looking promising.

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« Reply #159 on: June 04, 2020, 06:04:37 AM »
Everything has been getting worse every year since year 2000 so it's not looking promising.

That's relative.  Everything has been getting worse since the beginning of time, for some more than for others.  Advances in technology both improve our health and quality of life in some ways, and deteriorate them on other ways.  They also help solve problems that we ourselves have created.

Ironically, although we're in the midst of these racial protests/riots/looting and all kinds of civil unrest, things have hugely improved for black people around the world.  What black person would want to get in a time machine and go back to any time in history before the 1980s?   :D

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« Reply #160 on: June 04, 2020, 06:06:07 AM »
Guess you haven't seen the videos on the news. 'Dindus' are the minority in these protests now going on all over the world.

According to what people think on Getbig, I famously notoriously live in a Lilly white suburb of Portland, which is actually true since, according to the demographics, blacks are less then 1% of the population in this 'upscale' town. So, you can imagine my shock and awe when I was coming home today from a shopping trip to Costco and and low an behold, right at busy off and on ramps to the 205 were what looked like three women (two of which may have been teenagers) standing by the roadside holding up homemade signs which read "BLACK LIVES MATTER". Oddly enough all three of them were clearly not 'dindus' as they were white as white can be.

Getbig has a thread devoted to police brutality. I have not checked, but has anything been posted in that thread about the knee to the neck for 8 and a half minutes incident that contributed to killing a man who now has people all over the world protesting? What I think some folks on Getbig are missing is that this horrific incident is an example of the danger all of us are in of losing our constitutional rights. Paint George Floyd however you want. He may have been the scum of the earth. But did he deserve to die because he attempted to pass a counterfeit $20 bill or because he struggled against being arrested and not posing any threat?

Anyone who thinks this is something that can only happen to black folks is delusional. Once we become (even more of) a police state, all of us are in danger of having a knee to our throats, while we lay there pleading for our lives and being not only ignored but being laughed at while we slowly die. Maybe our only crime is that we objected to this happening to another human being and so we exercised our right to protest.
The majority of peaceful protesters are white but the majority of looters are.....well.....you know.

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« Reply #161 on: June 04, 2020, 06:08:31 AM »
The majority of peaceful protesters are white but the majority all of the looters are.....well.....you know.


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« Reply #163 on: June 04, 2020, 06:26:32 AM »
Everything has been getting worse every year since year 2000 so it's not looking promising.

Things usually need to get worse and reach a tipping point before they can get better. But yeah it's not looking good.

Doesn't look like people learnt anything over the past few months.

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« Reply #164 on: June 04, 2020, 08:25:44 AM »
Sometimes Mother Nature steps in and throws a massive earthquake and tsunami to Los Angeles to show us how little our problems are.


CBS NEWS

California is overdue for a huge earthquake, seismologists say. A new study coming out Wednesday in the Seismological Research Letters says California's current earthquake drought is unlike any other paleoseismic period in the last 1,000 years. The aim of the study, titled, "The Current Unlikely Hiatus at California's Transform Boundary Paleoseismic Sites," points to the unlikelihood of the last hundred years of relative seismic silence. Seismologists are saying there haven't been enough powerful earthquakes in the past 100 years along California's highest slip-rate faults, and a ground-rupturing quake with a magnitude greater than 7.0 is overdue.

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« Reply #165 on: June 04, 2020, 09:03:50 AM »
For blacks, it's all just an excuse to vent pent-up hatred towards whites.

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« Reply #166 on: June 04, 2020, 09:05:41 AM »
For blacks, it's all just an excuse to vent pent-up hatred towards whites.
yup

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« Reply #167 on: June 04, 2020, 09:07:22 AM »
Where are our gun toting, 2nd Amendment guys willing to die for their right to carry? Take back our Country. You always say the government sucks so step in. Get some armed hillbilly motherfuckers with open carry rifles and pickup trucks to start taking the cities back. They have stand offs with cops all the time over guns and rights, step up now big boys. America needs you.

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« Reply #168 on: June 04, 2020, 09:08:22 AM »
Where are our gun toting, 2nd Amendment guys willing to die for their right to carry? Take back our Country. You always say the government sucks so step in. Get some armed hillbilly motherfuckers with open carry rifles and pickup trucks to start taking the cities back. They have stand offs with cops all the time over guns and rights, step up now big boys. America needs you.

They’re complaining about the riots.

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« Reply #169 on: June 04, 2020, 09:47:42 AM »
Where are our gun toting, 2nd Amendment guys willing to die for their right to carry? Take back our Country. You always say the government sucks so step in. Get some armed hillbilly motherfuckers with open carry rifles and pickup trucks to start taking the cities back. They have stand offs with cops all the time over guns and rights, step up now big boys. America needs you.
They will shoot if the Africans come out to the small towns.  Why should they go to the cities?  Let the cities burn if no one including the cops will do anything except arrest the people defending property.

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« Reply #170 on: June 04, 2020, 10:01:33 AM »
Where are our gun toting, 2nd Amendment guys willing to die for their right to carry? Take back our Country. You always say the government sucks so step in. Get some armed hillbilly motherfuckers with open carry rifles and pickup trucks to start taking the cities back. They have stand offs with cops all the time over guns and rights, step up now big boys. America needs you.

They're in their Republican run cities and districts, enjoying peace and quiet, while laughing at the Democrap run cities and districts burn by the same people they pander to.

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« Reply #171 on: June 04, 2020, 10:05:44 AM »
They will shoot if the Africans come out to the small towns.  Why should they go to the cities?  Let the cities burn if no one including the cops will do anything except arrest the people defending property.

Just like the Koreans did in the 1992 LA riots. 


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« Reply #172 on: June 04, 2020, 11:07:03 AM »
Where are our gun toting, 2nd Amendment guys willing to die for their right to carry? Take back our Country. You always say the government sucks so step in. Get some armed hillbilly motherfuckers with open carry rifles and pickup trucks to start taking the cities back. They have stand offs with cops all the time over guns and rights, step up now big boys. America needs you.

That is the job of the police and the military.

Our job is to protect our families and personal property.

We can’t legally shoot someone for destroying government owned property. Your hypothetical situation has no basis in reality. It’s like saying “for the next two weeks shooting rioters, looters, and ghetto blacks is a misdemeanor $50 fine you can pay by credit card.”

Let’s be realistic here, the President could put a stop to this crap in a day if Democrat mayors and governors requested his help, but they won’t. They’re so brainwashed with failed liberal ideology and childish in their behavior that they would rather see law abiding citizens get hurt or killed than seeing Trump succeed.

I’d offer a different suggestion. Instead of heading down the path to civil war, turn the anger toward the MSM who promote this narrative and the liberal politicians who implement it for personal gain.

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« Reply #173 on: June 04, 2020, 01:02:37 PM »
Today's Update:
A memorial service to honor George Floyd is underway in Minneapolis, as protesters continue to rally across the US following his killing.
All four former Minneapolis police officers involved in George Floyd's death have been charged, the Minnesota attorney general announced.
Charges were elevated for one former officer from third- to second-degree murder. The other former officers will be charged with aiding and abetting.

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« Reply #174 on: June 04, 2020, 01:54:12 PM »
Today's Update:
A memorial service to honor George Floyd is underway in Minneapolis, as protesters continue to rally across the US following his killing.
All four former Minneapolis police officers involved in George Floyd's death have been charged, the Minnesota attorney general announced.
Charges were elevated for one former officer from third- to second-degree murder. The other former officers will be charged with aiding and abetting.
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