Racism - An unsolvable problem - since whites can never understand - discuss

[Al Doggity]

BLM types might say those "white boys" couldn't understand what it's like to be mocked, hated and picked at 'til only the narrow of their bones were left, but I sure as shit NEVER saw a black kid so relentlessly pursued as those two (and others).

Most "BLM types" don't think other races are exempt from being made fun of or feeling pain. That's also not what BLM and comparable movements are about. Whether you agree with them or not,  they are about systemic issues of life and livelihood.

[pellius]

I know you've said you believe white men are the most discriminated against people in the country, but I would guess very few people not familiar with your background would assume you were white or even half-white.  Did the blacks in your black neighborhood call you honky?

No, I never said that White are the most discriminated people in the country. I don't know where you got that impression. You were probably projecting the statement I made when I claimed that White people are the most discriminated people in Hawaii. We even have a "kill Haole day" which is the day before Christmas vacation where it's open season on Haoles (White people). They get harassed, shoved, pushed, some even get beat up. It was consider a duty for a local to at least punch a White kid on the shoulder.

I never had any Blacks in my neighborhood or school. Hawaii has a very tiny Black population and they are mostly in neighborhoods near military bases. Being in the military the Black families here are a far cry from the inner-city Blacks that people have problems with. There are no gangs in Hawaii, let alone Black gangs, in the sense that there are on the mainland.

[Al Doggity]

No, I never said that White are the most discriminated people in the country.

From this thread:
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=657462.msg9282073#msg9282073

If your point is that White, straight, Christain males are on the bottom of the bottom of the pecking order then I have no argument with you. I would even go as far to say that not only are they last in line but they are the very ones most discriminated against.

It stood out to me because at this point I had no idea you identified as white. I've seen you say the same thing in other threads, too.

I never had any Blacks in my neighborhood or school

Just on the last page you said you were the only white guy in an all black neighborhood, which is what I originally responded to.    I was asking if you received any negative treatment in that area, was it the type that would be directed at a white person? 

[pamith]

What makes me feels sad though, is that the white race is dying, srs

[Desolate]

Racism is good (we are different tribes / cultures after all) for self-preservation.

It's natural and not evil. It's a sense against danger, making you more aware and taking special precaution dealing with other kinds of organisms.

Just look at Hungary, Poland, Japan etc.



Police/Military needs to show people that vandalizing/rioting/looting is off-limits with harsher treatment.

This. 100%.

[pellius]

From this thread:
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=657462.msg9282073#msg9282073

It stood out to me because at this point I had no idea you identified as white. I've seen you say the same thing in other threads, too.

Just on the last page you said you were the only white guy in an all black neighborhood, which is what I originally responded to.    I was asking if you received any negative treatment in that area, was it the type that would be directed at a white person?

Ah, I see. When I made that statement I made it in the context of the Leftist view. If you are a minority, a Muslim, gay, lesbian, capitalist, even a woman you are given a pass. Being a White, Christian male makes you part of the privilege class and therefore on the bottom of the pecking order. You say something derogatory against a gay, Black, or Muslim you're a racist and homophobe. It's open season and pretty much anything goes if you are a White, Christian, male.

For example, obviously, if you are a White male you are not in an oppressed class in general society -- just among the woke and the anointed ones.

As far as living in Inglewood, Ca., yes I experience many, many negative, dangerous, and violent encounters. I never once thought it was because of my race but simply living in a high crime area. Virtually all of the violent crime was Black on Black simply because it was primarily a Black neighborhood. When my car was broken into, when my apartment was broken into, I doubt they did it because of my race or if they even knew what my race was. I just live in a neighborhood that had a high rate of break-ins and theft.

When I say I identify with being White it would be more accurate to say that I identify with being an American. There is a distinct American culture. The language we use, the way we use that language (as oppose to English spoken in the Europe), the foods that we eat, the type of music and entertainment we enjoy, how we dress... This country was founded by White European Christians and is still majority White. So I often use White, meaning White culture, and American interchangeably regardless of actual race and skin color.

[illuminati]

Please tell us how this problem that is deeply rooted in our biological evolution is easily solvable. I would love to hear it

Yes so would I.

[illuminati]

Fathom if roles were reversed:

When you honkies gon' unite and ........ , mothafuckas

https://twitter.com/DJ_TPGReport/status/1271064745215475713

Look how innocuous this post is. 5 people will click, maybe. But if this were on the media full blast for a month....... like they do in the reverse situation......

Well said - If that was the other way around the LeftWaffe would Be Playing it on loop nonstop on MSM
OH look a Racist Attack 😱😱😱 😥😥😥  🙄 Fucking Vile Hypocrites.

[illuminati]

Racism is a natural feeling, it’s tribalism. We were never meant to be all mixed together, we all deserve our own sovereign nations. Ethnostates are the only true ways towards peace and happiness.

Exactly Right - That’s how it’s meant to be - Nothing Right or Wrong about it.
Nature is a Tough taskmaster & There is No Right or Wrong in Nature.
We would all be a lot happier if we stayed within our own kind.

[illuminati]

It is somewhat similar to the Palestinian/Israeli conflict. Being the only White guy living in an all Black neighborhood for over four years I gain some insight into the culture. Mind you, I really had no preconceived notions regarding Blacks because in Hawaii there are so few and they are mostly in neighborhoods with military bases. So to me, they were no different appearance-wise than Tongans, Samoans, Hawaiians...

Like Palestinians are taught from birth that Jews are their oppressors and the cause of all their problems, such is the case with Blacks vis-a-vis Whites. It's endemic and burned in their culture and even their DNA. All of life is seen through the prism of racism. Even in college, a Black friend told me he always keeps track at how many Blacks are in the class. They all do. Always keeping a racial count to further convince them how they are the minority and by definition oppressed.

One thing White people should understand and burn into their thought processes: there is nothing -- NOTHING -- you can do that will alleviate this. No matter how many affirmative action programs, no matter if they got reparations, no matter if they are disproportionately represented in all aspects of jobs and opportunities it will never be enough. We had a Black president yet we are still a racist country. Blacks represent over 80% of the pro basketball yet the NBA is still racist. Just ask a Black person what it will take for them to just stop with the bitching and moaning.

No country has done more to help Blacks and give them more opportunities and success than this country. We fought a war where over a million people died to give Blacks equal rights. The vast majority of Americans want Blacks to be happy and successful, if only for their own peace and safety. It will never be enough. It has to come from them not White people. The Black inner-city culture is a culture of failure. I don't see this impasse changing in my life time so just forget about trying to appease them and separate yourself as much as you can from their culture and neighborhood and live your own life in peace.

Very well stated Pellius
It won’t change until they change who they think & act.
Sure there will always be some whites that hate blacks because they’re black &
Like wise some blacks will hate whites because they’re white.

[Irongrip400]

In any case, this guy isn't helping things 

"During a hearing Tuesday on whether to declare racism a public health crisis in Ohio, a Republican state senator referred to "the colored population" and questioned whether African Americans get COVID-19 more often because they do not wash their hands as much.

"Could it just be that African Americans – the colored population – do not wash their hands as well as other groups? Or wear a mask? Or do not socially distance themselves? Could that just be maybe the explanation of why there’s a higher incidence?" said state Sen. Steve Huffman of Tipp City, north of Dayton."

https://www.yahoo.com/news/gop-ohio-state-senator-wonders-115807260.html



And yes, the NAACP has that word in it but this guy has to be smarter than that.

Wow. What a buffoon.

[pellius]

It was white English God fearing Protestants who forced the black heathens on North America


You sound some what ashamed of your mothers background

 it has been claimed that the white American missionaries went to  the pacific islands to do some good
They certainly did well for themselves

Please tell me specifically what lead you to believe that I am ashamed of my mother's background?

I'm not sure what you are trying to imply with your first statement.

[hardgainerj]

Black people want us to understand what they have faced in their lives, when you try and explain that the country is not systemically racist they tell you "because you are white you can never understand"


Who is that in any way solvable?

Once dialogue is gone all thats left is violence.


Until black people realise that other people also feel oppression and victimised nothings going to change.

Getting called derogatory comments for being black is no different than growing up a fat kid...

Change my mind..

shut yo crack'a ass up, racist

[Kwon]

shut yo crack ass up, racist

You a blackie?

[pellius]

Exactly Right - That’s how it’s meant to be - Nothing Right or Wrong about it.
Nature is a Tough taskmaster & There is No Right or Wrong in Nature.
We would all be a lot happier if we stayed within our own kind.

No, I would disagree. Racism, which I define as judging someone solely by their race, is not a good thing. I would not dismiss anybody just by the color of their skin or the shape of their eyes. Not liking a certain culture is not racism. I don't like the inner-city Black ghetto culture. I don't like the Chinese culture.
That doesn't mean I would categorically dismiss all Chinese people or Black people. I've mentioned many times that the two people who have most influenced my thinking and world view are both Black: Thomas Sowell and Walter Williams (who was a student of Sowell).

Having said that, you can't "cure" or get rid of "racism". Like stupidity is just part of the human condition all you can do is try to control and mitigate it much like with crime. It's always going to be there and it's always going to be a battle.

I do have to confess that I'm starting to grow more and more intolerant of fat people. This concept that it's bad to "fat-shame" someone is disastrous. Now it's like people are flaunting their fat proudly. Much of the cause of what has gone wrong with our society and culture is the lack of shame. Social stigma is one of the most powerful influences on human behavior.

[hardgainerj]

=106

the hebrew that works at the looted store wouldnt condemn the violence on the other hand the homeless hebrew that lives in front of the store didnt partake in the looting

[hardgainerj]

You a blackie?

lol

[Primemuscle]

No, I would disagree. Racism, which I define as judging someone solely by their race, is not a good thing. I would not dismiss anybody just by the color of their skin or the shape of their eyes. Not liking a certain culture is not racism. I don't like the inner-city Black ghetto culture. I don't like the Chinese culture.
That doesn't mean I would categorically dismiss all Chinese people or Black people. I've mentioned many times that the two people who have most influenced my thinking and world view are both Black: Thomas Sowell and Walter Williams (who was a student of Sowell).

Having said that, you can't "cure" or get rid of "racism". Like stupidity is just part of the human condition all you can do is try to control and mitigate it much like with crime. It's always going to be there and it's always going to be a battle.

I do have to confess that I'm starting to grow more and more intolerant of fat people. This concept that it's bad to "fat-shame" someone is disastrous. Now it's like people are flaunting their fat proudly. Much of the cause of what has gone wrong with our society and culture is the lack of shame. Social stigma is one of the most powerful influences on human behavior.

What do you have to tolerate about fat people? Do you think they take up too much room? -Bottom line, why should it make a difference to you that some people are fat? Seems like if their weight is going to be anyone's concern, it is theirs. A former co-worker was and still is a very large man. He is also a great guy with a load of friends....including lady "friends with benefits".

[pellius]

What do you have to tolerate about fat people? Do you think they take up too much room? -Bottom line, why should it make a difference to you that some people are fat? Seems like if their weight is going to be anyone's concern, it is theirs. A former co-worker was and still is a very large man. He is also a great guy with a load of friends....including lady "friends with benefits".

Why does it make a difference to me? Well, for one, I work in town where there is no parking unless you want to pay $20/day or $400/month so I take public transportation. Having a 300lb person sitting next to you, having his fat press against you is not comfortable. And they don't give a crap. It's almost like they have this chip on their shoulder as if to say, "Yeah, I'm fat. What of it?" Also, many will just take up three seats no matter how crowded the bus is.

Then there is a more subtle and hard to explain or quantify. The environment, mood, ambiance created. When you go to public places now there are just herds of fat people, always munching and chewing on something (my mom use to comment that when she first came to this country she noticed that Americans seem to always be eating). There is a measure of disgust to all this blatant self-indulgence and gluttony. It's similar to, say, you are in an environment where everyone is dressed in rags showing parts of their bodies that would be better left unseen. Like when you see the ass-crack of someone who wears his pants to low. How people behave and look creates a certain mood or environment that has an effect on other people. Sure, you or anyone else, being gay doesn't affect me. It is, or should be, a private matter. But if I should find myself in a situation where I am surrounded by gays or in a gay culture it would affect me. There is an area in Hawaii that is a place where "Mahus" (guys that act like girls) and transexuals congregate. Of course, in those circumstances, I can leave but my point is that how a person looks and behaves does have an effect on others. Imagine if you joined a gym and you realized that most of the members were White Supremacists and hated all minorities? Even though personally they left you alone would you feel comfortable being in that environment?

Lastly, because "tolerance" -- tolerance of all behavior and appearance -- is the now sacrosanct you get more aberrant behavior or behavior that should not be encouraged. Being fat is not a good thing no matter how you try to paint it. When I saw my niece start to get a little chunky when she turned about ten years old I made her aware of it. I have seen what life is like when a girl is fat. That's just reality. A kid is clueless about that but once I called attention to it she became more aware and kept it in check. Some of her cousins were not as fortunate and now are suffering for it. One of my other nieces has been suffering trying to lose thirty pounds which is so hard for a person programmed to be fat. Now people just accept it and say it's fine but inside they're glad they aren't going through life a big fatso because they know it matters no matter what kind of lip service is  paid. It's kind of sad for me when I see a fat kid and their fat parent indulging them. There is this mom on the bus that is constantly giving her kid pieces of candy to keep her quiet. The kid started to get restless she gets a treat. Just like training a dog except she's being trained to act like a brat. The mother is enormous and loves to wear those stretch pants and her kid, maybe four years old, is already chunky. Another fatso in the making who will breed another generation of fatsos. Just the total disregard for their lives, health, and appearance.

 

[Kwon]

[Desolate]

Why does it make a difference to me? Well, for one, I work in town where there is no parking unless you want to pay $20/day or $400/month so I take public transportation. Having a 300lb person sitting next to you, having his fat press against you is not comfortable. And they don't give a crap. It's almost like they have this chip on their shoulder as if to say, "Yeah, I'm fat. What of it?" Also, many will just take up three seats no matter how crowded the bus is.

Then there is a more subtle and hard to explain or quantify. The environment, mood, ambiance created. When you go to public places now there are just herds of fat people, always munching and chewing on something (my mom use to comment that when she first came to this country she noticed that Americans seem to always be eating). There is a measure of disgust to all this blatant self-indulgence and gluttony. It's similar to, say, you are in an environment where everyone is dressed in rags showing parts of their bodies that would be better left unseen. Like when you see the ass-crack of someone who wears his pants to low. How people behave and look creates a certain mood or environment that has an effect on other people. Sure, you or anyone else, being gay doesn't affect me. It is, or should be, a private matter. But if I should find myself in a situation where I am surrounded by gays or in a gay culture it would affect me. There is an area in Hawaii that is a place where "Mahus" (guys that act like girls) and transexuals congregate. Of course, in those circumstances, I can leave but my point is that how a person looks and behaves does have an effect on others. Imagine if you joined a gym and you realized that most of the members were White Supremacists and hated all minorities? Even though personally they left you alone would you feel comfortable being in that environment?

Lastly, because "tolerance" -- tolerance of all behavior and appearance -- is the now sacrosanct you get more aberrant behavior or behavior that should not be encouraged. Being fat is not a good thing no matter how you try to paint it. When I saw my niece start to get a little chunky when she turned about ten years old I made her aware of it. I have seen what life is like when a girl is fat. That's just reality. A kid is clueless about that but once I called attention to it she became more aware and kept it in check. Some of her cousins were not as fortunate and now are suffering for it. One of my other nieces has been suffering trying to lose thirty pounds which is so hard for a person programmed to be fat. Now people just accept it and say it's fine but inside they're glad they aren't going through life a big fatso because they know it matters no matter what kind of lip service is  paid. It's kind of sad for me when I see a fat kid and their fat parent indulging them. There is this mom on the bus that is constantly giving her kid pieces of candy to keep her quiet. The kid started to get restless she gets a treat. Just like training a dog except she's being trained to act like a brat. The mother is enormous and loves to wear those stretch pants and her kid, maybe four years old, is already chunky. Another fatso in the making who will breed another generation of fatsos. Just the total disregard for their lives, health, and appearance.

Exactly.

This is what happens when we are told to tolerate all actions/behavior.

This is what results.

It truly is a slippery slope.

[Al Doggity]

Ah, I see. When I made that statement I made it in the context of the Leftist view. If you are a minority, a Muslim, gay, lesbian, capitalist, even a woman you are given a pass. Being a White, Christian male makes you part of the privilege class and therefore on the bottom of the pecking order. You say something derogatory against a gay, Black, or Muslim you're a racist and homophobe. It's open season and pretty much anything goes if you are a White, Christian, male.

For example, obviously, if you are a White male you are not in an oppressed class in general society -- just among the woke and the anointed ones.

I have tried to decipher this but I really cannot figure out what this means.


My point in going down that line of questioning was to get clarity on where you stood before I addressed some parts of the rest of what you said in that post. (FTR, I don't think I actually got it. I feel like you walked back and reconfigured what you meant in a few places, but for the most part, that's beside the point.)

The first thing I wanna take issue with is where you said []"No country has done more to help Blacks and give them more opportunities and success than this country. We fought a war where over a million people died to give Blacks equal rights."[] This is something I've seen rightwingers trot out a lot recently. Thin Lizzy has even posted it here a few times. What y'all seem to conveniently forget (putting aside the question of whether or not that was even what the war was about) is that it was a country at war with itself.  People still wave flags proclaiming the south will rise again. Half of those people who died were in opposition. The same is true for almost everything this country has done to "help blacks" since then.

Secondly, your black friend in college. [] "Even in college, a Black friend told me he always keeps track at how many Blacks are in the class. They all do. Always keeping a racial count to further convince them how they are the minority and by definition oppressed."[] Setting aside the fact that just because your black friend in college did something doesn't mean all blacks do, let's just skip ahead to the fact that you say this on the very next page of the same thread:
"But if I should find myself in a situation where I am surrounded by gays or in a gay culture it would affect me. There is an area in Hawaii that is a place where "Mahus" (guys that act like girls) and transexuals congregate. Of course, in those circumstances, I can leave but my point is that how a person looks and behaves does have an effect on others.  "

So, why is it somehow more acceptable that you keep track of people surrounding you that don't affect you? Why is it a character weakness in your then friend (and, thus all blacks, apparently)? Fatties and homos that have nothing to do with you affect your mood and the ambience and that's normal, but noticing that you're the only minority in a room is a shell game that all blacks use to convince us we're victims? Why wouldn't a similar set of concerns apply? What's the difference?

[pamith]

You are all my nikkas

[ProudVirgin69]

I have tried to decipher this but I really cannot figure out what this means.


The first thing I wanna take issue with is where you said []"No country has done more to help Blacks and give them more opportunities and success than this country. We fought a war where over a million people died to give Blacks equal rights."[]

Emancipation proclamation did not give Black folks equal rights, that was the Civil Rights act which came 100 years later.

[pellius]

I have tried to decipher this but I really cannot figure out what this means.


My point in going down that line of questioning was to get clarity on where you stood before I addressed some parts of the rest of what you said in that post. (FTR, I don't think I actually got it. I feel like you walked back and reconfigured what you meant in a few places, but for the most part, that's beside the point.)

The first thing I wanna take issue with is where you said []"No country has done more to help Blacks and give them more opportunities and success than this country. We fought a war where over a million people died to give Blacks equal rights."[] This is something I've seen rightwingers trot out a lot recently. Thin Lizzy has even posted it here a few times. What y'all seem to conveniently forget (putting aside the question of whether or not that was even what the war was about) is that it was a country at war with itself.  People still wave flags proclaiming the south will rise again. Half of those people who died were in opposition. The same is true for almost everything this country has done to "help blacks" since then.

Secondly, your black friend in college. [] "Even in college, a Black friend told me he always keeps track at how many Blacks are in the class. They all do. Always keeping a racial count to further convince them how they are the minority and by definition oppressed."[] Setting aside the fact that just because your black friend in college did something doesn't mean all blacks do, let's just skip ahead to the fact that you say this on the very next page of the same thread:
"But if I should find myself in a situation where I am surrounded by gays or in a gay culture it would affect me. There is an area in Hawaii that is a place where "Mahus" (guys that act like girls) and transexuals congregate. Of course, in those circumstances, I can leave but my point is that how a person looks and behaves does have an effect on others.  "

So, why is it somehow more acceptable that you keep track of people surrounding you that don't affect you? Why is it a character weakness in your then friend (and, thus all blacks, apparently)? Fatties and homos that have nothing to do with you affect your mood and the ambience and that's normal, but noticing that you're the only minority in a room is a shell game that all blacks use to convince us we're victims? Why wouldn't a similar set of concerns apply? What's the difference?

I'll try my best to address and clarify the issues you've raised.

I know there appears to be an incongruity in claiming that White Christian males are at the bottom of the pecking order yet in the same breath also claim that they are not an oppressed class, and in many cases, a privileged class. But it is this very privilege that is the cause of this bias toward them. It is analogous to, say, very wealthy people. They are obviously a privileged class and enjoy many benefits not afforded to us plebs. So when they are ever caught being involved in some law-breaking or inappropriate behavior many want to see the book thrown at them. As if to say that it's about time they get dragged off their high horse get what's coming to them. So having a biased view toward a certain class of people in no way implies they are oppressed. So as far as my claim, there are countless real-world examples of this bias. Any Christian displays, as the Manger scene depicting the birth of Christ, or using the Bible to "swear someone in" there is an outcry. Not so if the display is Muslim or as when one Congressman insisted on being "swear in" using the Koran instead of the Bible. Or say there was a rash of assaults going on in a city where White men were specifically targeted to get punched in the face. The assailants would be charged with assault. Now say the targeted group were gays, Jew, Blacks..., now it becomes a hate crime which results in more severe punishment. The implication is that it's not as bad to assault a White man then it is to assault a minority although the actual behavior, the very act, is exactly the same.

I will address your other issues in another post when I get a break.