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Re: As monuments in USA are being toppled
« Reply #50 on: June 24, 2020, 12:52:53 PM »
The war has been fought for resources and not expendable work force units.
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Re: As monuments in USA are being toppled
« Reply #51 on: June 24, 2020, 01:56:29 PM »
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Re: As monuments in USA are being toppled
« Reply #52 on: June 24, 2020, 03:08:11 PM »
Toppling Confederate statues suggests that the North(Union) was actually some sort of advocate for black people. Abraham Lincoln did not even want to end slavery, his proposal was to continue slavery where it already existed, but only prohibit it in westward expansion states. Ending slavery was purely economic and political, and had to do with removing the oligarch type plantation owners of the South and their monopolies, and preparing for the industrial Revolution, with a society based on ingenuity and invention, as in New York during the late 1800's(electricity, modern railway, shipping and trade, steel,stock market,etc) Ending slavery was to bring about this shift from agricultural monopolies to the technological society we have today. Had NOTHING to do with civil rights.

VERY few at the time gave a shit about black lives mattering, from the North or South.

Most people did not care about blacks or slavery, but many did care (the blacks themselves as well as abolitionists in the North as well as lots of everyday people in the end). I am not in favor necessarily of taking down statues, but as far as the Confederate Battle flag goes, that should be nowhere except on your own private property. As one of the NASCAR sports commentators put it, it is not only the fact that the flag makes a lot of people uncomfortable, but also the fact that that was a flag of rebellion against the United States of America (let alone its close association with the institution of slavery)

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Re: As monuments in USA are being toppled
« Reply #53 on: June 24, 2020, 03:36:22 PM »
They figure he must be white.



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Re: As monuments in USA are being toppled
« Reply #54 on: June 24, 2020, 03:56:14 PM »


+ 800 massive statues on Easter Island , why idiots don't  travel to Hanga Roa & try to destroy Moais  ;D

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Re: As monuments in USA are being toppled
« Reply #55 on: June 24, 2020, 04:23:59 PM »
Most people did not care about blacks or slavery, but many did care (the blacks themselves as well as abolitionists in the North as well as lots of everyday people in the end). I am not in favor necessarily of taking down statues, but as far as the Confederate Battle flag goes, that should be nowhere except on your own private property. As one of the NASCAR sports commentators put it, it is not only the fact that the flag makes a lot of people uncomfortable, but also the fact that that was a flag of rebellion against the United States of America (let alone its close association with the institution of slavery)

The South didn't secede. They were fighting to keep things exactly as they had been, with each state making its own decisions. The North was fighting to institute new rules with a federal government dictating to the state governments. It was a conservative revolution. The South wanted to stay where it was. The North said we're going this new way and you have to come along. If we're playing soccer and i pick up the ball and run around with it and tell you "This is soccer now" you wouldn't be wrong to say it isn't since that's not what we had all previously agreed on.

Moreover, the North precipitated the war by sending federal troops to occupy Fort Sumpter, which is a real clear way of telling a state government that they will do what the federal government decides they will do, and that this control will be enforced at gunpoint if necessary. "United States" isn't a very good description. It implies that the states are freely united, by their own choice. "Subjugated States" would be more accurate.

Fwiw, I think the North was right practically and morally. There has to be a single, overarching governance of the land or there will be constant dischord. Doing away with slavery is morally imperative, even if that isn't why they did it. Legally tho, I think the South was right. The North was changing the rules and the South was within its rights to tell 'em to screw off.

Emancipation was a military strategy. Lincoln didn't say all the slaves are henceforth free. He declared that slaves were free anywhere a Union army took control. It was designed to encourage guerrilla involvement from the large slave population and turn that enemy asset into a liability.


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The Normans were descendants of Vikings, they didn't have Rome but they created the Kingdom of Southern Italy so is there is some truth in that!

Normandy is another example of Viking tourists overstaying , imagine Paris after King Ragnars friendly visit in 845 !.

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Re: As monuments in USA are being toppled
« Reply #57 on: June 24, 2020, 08:30:29 PM »

+ 800 massive statues on Easter Island , why idiots don't  travel to Hanga Roa & try to destroy Moais  ;D


No TVs and Jordans there.

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Re: As monuments in USA are being toppled
« Reply #58 on: June 25, 2020, 06:28:30 AM »

No TVs and Jordans there.

All TV crap is there , I have visited Easter Island 4 X, it was magical island in the 90's, I was stuck on Tahiti for a week until
Lan Chile show up, 10 hours long flight from Faa > Rapa Nui, Hanga Roa was just a village, around 1500 Rapa Nui people lived there.
Hardly any Chileans ......................

Massive tourism & daily flights from Tahiti & Santiago  ............magic is gone, over 4000 Chileans 'infected' locals ...............too many restaurants, 4 & 5 stars hotels,....... shops & cars killed Hanga Roa !. Modernisation sucks !.


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Re: Now they are going after the removal of Mount Rushmore
« Reply #60 on: June 30, 2020, 05:29:12 PM »
President bear runner should get fucked.

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Re: Now they are going after the removal of Mount Rushmore
« Reply #61 on: June 30, 2020, 05:36:25 PM »
Bad medicine.

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Re: Now they are going after the removal of Mount Rushmore
« Reply #62 on: June 30, 2020, 05:38:53 PM »
Big Chief Knock-a-homa or what ever his name is, can eat a dick. Mt. Rushmore isn't some forgotten about city statue, the government is going to swiftly tell them to fuck off.

 

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Re: Now they are going after the removal of Mount Rushmore
« Reply #63 on: June 30, 2020, 06:40:43 PM »
Leave all the fucking statues alone............fucking soft ass cry baby society these days......makes me sick and "offends" me.

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Re: Now they are going after the removal of Mount Rushmore
« Reply #64 on: June 30, 2020, 07:24:49 PM »
they want to get rid of thanksgiving too
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I don't care

EDIT: look- even though some people on /pol like to argue otherwise, we (people of Italian Descent) ARE WHITE and Whites are NOT A MARGINALIZED GROUP

so- yes I see what is trying to be said here but, come on, the "double standard" doesn't work that way

as an additional aside- It's doesn't matter how "Swarthy" a wop is- wops are white

This is my least favorite part of the job.

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Re: Statues and Monuments being removed - discuss
« Reply #66 on: July 02, 2020, 09:21:15 AM »
Last night Portland attempted to burn down a metal slave-owning elk statue.



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Re: Statues and Monuments being removed - discuss
« Reply #67 on: July 02, 2020, 12:44:39 PM »


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Re: Statues and Monuments being removed - discuss
« Reply #68 on: July 02, 2020, 01:07:09 PM »

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Re: Statues and Monuments being removed - discuss
« Reply #69 on: July 02, 2020, 04:49:38 PM »
Last night Portland attempted to burn down a metal slave-owning elk statue.





O shit, it's getting close to Saggy ............

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Re: Statues and Monuments being removed - discuss
« Reply #70 on: July 02, 2020, 05:08:21 PM »

O shit, it's getting close to Saggy ............

Perhaps they will be wellcum'd with open mouth and gaping anus?  Those that feeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeel these scum are worthy of praise deserve what awaits them when BLM visits their homes.

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Re: Statues and Monuments being removed - discuss
« Reply #71 on: July 02, 2020, 05:28:03 PM »
Perhaps they will be welcum'd with open mouth and gaping anus?  Those that feeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeel these scum are worthy of praise deserve what awaits them when BLM visits their homes.


Antifa ringleader Jason Charter, arrested in attempted destruction of Andrew Jackson statue !.  ;D

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Re: Statues and Monuments being removed - discuss
« Reply #72 on: July 02, 2020, 05:34:52 PM »

Antifa ringleader Jason Charter, arrested in attempted destruction of Andrew Jackson statue !.  ;D

Here's to his eternal (and infernal) incarceration.  He hates America.  Fuck him and his kind.

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Re: Statues and Monuments being removed - discuss
« Reply #73 on: July 02, 2020, 05:44:49 PM »
Here's to his eternal (and infernal) incarceration.  He hates America.  Fuck him and his kind.

+ 10 years in 'Alcatraz' guaranteed  :D


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Re: Statues and Monuments being removed - discuss
« Reply #74 on: July 04, 2020, 01:50:20 AM »
Make it happen.