The role and importance of Black people in American society

[pellius]

I was once engaged in an argument about the necessity in having women in the military and even in combat. I propose the following thought experiment: If we had an all-male military would it's force be in any way reduced? Would we become a less effective fighting force without any women? What if we had an all-women military? Would it be stronger or weaker? Does having women in the military increase our effectiveness? This is not to say that there are no women that will add to the military but is it a necessity? That we can always find a man that will do just as good or better job than any woman? Is having women in the military just a social accommodation?

Now say we had an American society with absolutely no Black people at all. Would we be a better or worse nation? A stronger more prosperous country without Blacks or will it make no difference at all. Now conversely, what if we got rid of all the White people? That this country was run only by Blacks? Would this country be better or worse off or no difference at all?

I'd be curious how someone so brainwashed and dogmatic like Al Doggity would answer a question like this. Hint: he will, like all questions where the truth will incriminate him, not give a simple and direct answer but will hem and haw, dodge and redirect, and bring up strawman arguments and examples that really have no direct relationship to a very simple and direct question. What he will do, is not answer the simple and direct question with a simple and direct answer.

[SOMEPARTS]

The idea of multiculturalism as a strength assumes that either all involved are equal, or that even the smaller group is somehow stronger in other areas. Even if that might be the case(and I could argue some cases that it would), that idea does not allow for people being unwilling to be a part of the society...as that vastly weakens the overall average contribution.

[TheGrinch]

 To be able to get in/out of jail 100 times and end up doing this

https://www.yahoo.com/news/suspect-sought-92-old-woman-173015972.html


#BlackLivesMatter

[hardgainerj]

https://abc13.com/video-shows-brutal-assault-outside-spring-convenience-store/6251202/

[Earl1972]

the only thing that would be worse is football and basketball

many people including myself are fed up with their disrespect and even more angry that many of them plan to kneel for the flag, and this pandemic has helped many of us realize that we don't even miss or need these meaningless games

E

[Teutonic Knight 1]

Naive question, but how is American cotton industry performing ?.
 

[pellius]

the only thing that would be worse is football and basketball

many people including myself are fed up with their disrespect and even more angry that many of them plan to kneel for the flag, and this pandemic has helped many of us realize that we don't even miss or need these meaningless games

E

But would have a weaker football and basketball team weaken the country as a world power and economic leader? Would our production and innovation in business, science, medicine, technology, and military might be effected one iota?

[Tapeworm]

It's a poor parallel. Deciding whether to let women join the military based on a utilitarian analysis does nothing to justify throwing a citizen's rights out the window and ejecting them from their home. And if you're dyed in the wool about better simply being better, then I'd point out that having sacrosanct notions, like a citizen's rights, is mo better since it affords us a stable society which isn't subject to the whims and preferences of whoever happens to be the Utility Tsar. And yes, a lot of black people are a pain in the butt. Go to their neighborhood and they'll certainly mean mug you. Quite possibly assault you. For no reason at all. A large percentage of blacks are as racist as you please and everyone seems content to pretend they're not. Still, you don't get to declare their US born citizenship invalid.

The ethnostate argument baffles me. I'm certainly honkier than thou, and far more than most. Still, 1" left of the chin sprouts a single, very suspect, thick, wiry, jet black hair. Just one. Something unpure transpired on some far distant field. Otherwise I'm about as anglo-ger-scandi as it gets, so if I struggle to squeak the white cut with that one whisker then most of you are in very deep shit if we go ethnostate.

[pellius]

It's a poor parallel. Deciding whether to let women join the military based on a utilitarian analysis does nothing to justify throwing a citizen's rights out the window and ejecting them from their home. And if you're dyed in the wool about better simply being better, then I'd point out that having sacrosanct notions, like a citizen's rights, is mo better since it affords us a stable society which isn't subject to the whims and preferences of whoever happens to be the Utility Tsar. And yes, a lot of black people are a pain in the butt. Go to their neighborhood and they'll certainly mean mug you. Quite possibly assault you. For no reason at all. A large percentage of blacks are as racist as you please and everyone seems content to pretend they're not. Still, you don't get to declare their US born citizenship invalid.

The ethnostate argument baffles me. I'm certainly honkier than thou, and far more than most. Still, 1" left of the chin sprouts a single, very suspect, thick, wiry, jet black hair. Just one. Something unpure transpired on some far distant field. Otherwise I'm about as anglo-ger-scandi as it gets, so if I struggle to squeak the white cut with that one whisker then most of you are in very deep shit if we go ethnostate.

I think you are missing the point. We are not talking about citizens' rights and human equality. This scenario will never happen. It is food for thought as to whether or not, in the the case of the military, if having women, especially in combat, is to help the military become a more effective fighting force or just an accommodation, as a nod to equal rights and in the realm of social engineering rather cold efficiency. 

A large percentage of the Black population has this sense of entitlement that society owes them something. Like their contribution to society is to such an extent that they deserve preferential treatment such as affirmative action programs and reparations. What would happen if we did give American Blacks their own country and freedom from the White devil, much as like they tried to do with Liberia. How did that work out for them? What all Black culture and society ever amounted to anything?

[friedchickendinner]

If blacks cant make it in the US they cant make it anywhere.

Surely they are miles better off than their african relatives, most africans would love to trade places with them.

How can you go through everyday life and bitch about racism when your relatives in Africia die of malaria by the hundreds of thousands - yearly.

How can they whine about police brutality when in Africa nearly every nation had wars and genocide.

While Black Life Matters protest on the streets in the USA, meanwhile, this has been going on in their motherland:

21st century
2001–present War on Terrorism
1997–present Islamic Terrorism in Egypt
2002–present Islamic insurgency in the Maghreb
2002–present Operation Enduring Freedom - Horn of Africa
2006 Rise of the Islamic Courts Union
2006–2009 Ethiopian War in Somalia
2007–present Operation Enduring Freedom - Trans Sahara
2009–present Islamist civil war in Somalia
2009 Nigerian sectarian violence
2015–present ISIL insurgency in Tunisia
2017–present Islamist insurgency in Mozambique
2002-2003 Conflict in the Pool Department
2002–2004 First Ivorian Civil War
2003–present War in Darfur
2004 French–Ivorian clashes
2004–present Conflict in the guy Delta
2016–present guy Delta conflict
2004–2007 Central African Republic Bush War
2004–present Kivu conflict
2005–2010 Chadian Civil War
2005–2008 Mount Elgon insurgency
2006-2013 Bakassi conflict
2007–2009 Second Tuareg Rebellion
2007–2008 Kenyan crisis
2008 Invasion of Anjouan
2008 Kufra conflict
2008 Djiboutian–Eritrean border conflict
2009–present Sudanese nomadic conflicts
2011–present Ethnic violence in South Sudan
2013–present South Sudanese Civil War
2009 Sudan airstrikes
2009 Dongo conflict
2011 Second Ivorian Civil War
2011 First Libyan Civil War
2011–present Sudanese conflict in South Kordofan and Blue Nile
2011-2014 Factional violence in Libya
2012–present Mali War
2012 Heglig Crisis
2012-2013 M23 rebellion
2012 Baragoi clashes
2012–present Central African Republic Civil War
2013–present Batwa–Luba clashes
2013-2019 RENAMO insurgency
2014 Aswan tribal clashes
2014–present Second Libyan Civil War
2016-2017 Pool War
2016 Kasese clashes
2016–present Kamwina Nsapu rebellion
2017–present Anglophone Crisis

[Kwon]

If blacks cant make it in the US they cant make it anywhere.

Surely they are miles better off than their african relatives, most africans would love to trade places with them.

How can you go through everyday life and bitch about racism when your relatives in Africia die of malaria by the hundreds of thousands - yearly.

How can they whine about police brutality when in Africa nearly every nation had wars and genocide.

While Black Life Matters protest on the streets in the USA, meanwhile, this has been going on in their motherland:

21st century
2001–present War on Terrorism
1997–present Islamic Terrorism in Egypt
2002–present Islamic insurgency in the Maghreb
2002–present Operation Enduring Freedom - Horn of Africa
2006 Rise of the Islamic Courts Union
2006–2009 Ethiopian War in Somalia
2007–present Operation Enduring Freedom - Trans Sahara
2009–present Islamist civil war in Somalia
2009 Nigerian sectarian violence
2015–present ISIL insurgency in Tunisia
2017–present Islamist insurgency in Mozambique
2002-2003 Conflict in the Pool Department
2002–2004 First Ivorian Civil War
2003–present War in Darfur
2004 French–Ivorian clashes
2004–present Conflict in the guy Delta
2016–present guy Delta conflict
2004–2007 Central African Republic Bush War
2004–present Kivu conflict
2005–2010 Chadian Civil War
2005–2008 Mount Elgon insurgency
2006-2013 Bakassi conflict
2007–2009 Second Tuareg Rebellion
2007–2008 Kenyan crisis
2008 Invasion of Anjouan
2008 Kufra conflict
2008 Djiboutian–Eritrean border conflict
2009–present Sudanese nomadic conflicts
2011–present Ethnic violence in South Sudan
2013–present South Sudanese Civil War
2009 Sudan airstrikes
2009 Dongo conflict
2011 Second Ivorian Civil War
2011 First Libyan Civil War
2011–present Sudanese conflict in South Kordofan and Blue Nile
2011-2014 Factional violence in Libya
2012–present Mali War
2012 Heglig Crisis
2012-2013 M23 rebellion
2012 Baragoi clashes
2012–present Central African Republic Civil War
2013–present Batwa–Luba clashes
2013-2019 RENAMO insurgency
2014 Aswan tribal clashes
2014–present Second Libyan Civil War
2016-2017 Pool War
2016 Kasese clashes
2016–present Kamwina Nsapu rebellion
2017–present Anglophone Crisis

They are jealous of others around them that made it.

They want what they have handed to them due to laziness.

Lower IQ, Jealousy, Laziness, but they run very quick, have great stamina and are quick to resort to violence.

Not many of them are like Goodrum.

[Earl1972]

But would have a weaker football and basketball team weaken the country as a world power and economic leader? Would our production and innovation in business, science, medicine, technology, and military might be effected one iota?

lol that was my point, we would lose nothing of value

E

[pellius]

If blacks cant make it in the US they cant make it anywhere.

Surely they are miles better off than their african relatives, most africans would love to trade places with them.

How can you go through everyday life and bitch about racism when your relatives in Africia die of malaria by the hundreds of thousands - yearly.

How can they whine about police brutality when in Africa nearly every nation had wars and genocide.

While Black Life Matters protest on the streets in the USA, meanwhile, this has been going on in their motherland:

21st century
2001–present War on Terrorism
1997–present Islamic Terrorism in Egypt
2002–present Islamic insurgency in the Maghreb
2002–present Operation Enduring Freedom - Horn of Africa
2006 Rise of the Islamic Courts Union
2006–2009 Ethiopian War in Somalia
2007–present Operation Enduring Freedom - Trans Sahara
2009–present Islamist civil war in Somalia
2009 Nigerian sectarian violence
2015–present ISIL insurgency in Tunisia
2017–present Islamist insurgency in Mozambique
2002-2003 Conflict in the Pool Department
2002–2004 First Ivorian Civil War
2003–present War in Darfur
2004 French–Ivorian clashes
2004–present Conflict in the guy Delta
2016–present guy Delta conflict
2004–2007 Central African Republic Bush War
2004–present Kivu conflict
2005–2010 Chadian Civil War
2005–2008 Mount Elgon insurgency
2006-2013 Bakassi conflict
2007–2009 Second Tuareg Rebellion
2007–2008 Kenyan crisis
2008 Invasion of Anjouan
2008 Kufra conflict
2008 Djiboutian–Eritrean border conflict
2009–present Sudanese nomadic conflicts
2011–present Ethnic violence in South Sudan
2013–present South Sudanese Civil War
2009 Sudan airstrikes
2009 Dongo conflict
2011 Second Ivorian Civil War
2011 First Libyan Civil War
2011–present Sudanese conflict in South Kordofan and Blue Nile
2011-2014 Factional violence in Libya
2012–present Mali War
2012 Heglig Crisis
2012-2013 M23 rebellion
2012 Baragoi clashes
2012–present Central African Republic Civil War
2013–present Batwa–Luba clashes
2013-2019 RENAMO insurgency
2014 Aswan tribal clashes
2014–present Second Libyan Civil War
2016-2017 Pool War
2016 Kasese clashes
2016–present Kamwina Nsapu rebellion
2017–present Anglophone Crisis

I asked Al Doggity a simple direct and straight forward question, where else do Blacks have more opportunity, rights, and success other than America? He simply refused to give a direct straight forward answer which betrays his obvious bias, ingratitude, and resentment for this country. This was his last reply in which I gave up trying to get a straight answer.

I did answer the question in the final paragraph. I gave an example of a country that had done a lot for their minority population and I also explained why it's not possible to give a 1-1 comparison. For you to act like I'm dodging is ridiculous. The fact that it's a point of contention for you doesn't mean it has to be for me. Why would I find it remarkable or noteworthy that a government does things to benefit it's people? Obviously, that is not what happens across the board, but it is not an unusual thing and it's not something that is exclusive to blacks.

Note the language. It is "not possible" to give a 1-1 comparison. "Not possible?" Really? It's not possible for me to make a direct comparison of America to North Korea, Cuba, Communist China? For me to accuse him of dodging a question he refuses to directly answer is "ridiculous". Why should he "find it remarkable or noteworthy that a government does things to benefit it's people? " Read that statement again. Just the height of ingratitude. People like him should spend a year in an African country or better yet be force to live there.

Why does he not answer the question? It's the same reason why most everyone avoids answering a simple direct question. Because it will expose their hypocrisy. He will commit one of the Cardinal sins that someone on the Left can commit, and that is to say something positive about this country which they view as the source for all that is wrong with the world.

[pellius]

lol that was my point, we would lose nothing of value

E

Noted and you are correct.

[Tapeworm]

I've been rolling this around the old grey matter, as a white fellow is prone to do, and a solution is now at hand. Everyone keeps their rights and no one gets oppressed by another ethnicity. Best of all, you get to live amongst your own.

Sadly, I will have to accept not living in the penthouse of Zone 1 with the inbred redheads, but my grey-blue eyes will see me into a nice neighborhood. Really nice. It's nice in Zone 1, although the constant hit ups from Zone 2, 3, and 4 chicks is a little wearisome.

Matt C will need some time to adjust to his placement amongst the Slavs and Mediterraneans in Zones 14-18 or whatever olive shadiness he's got going on there, as will most of our Italian contingent who seem to believe they're somehow a member of the inner circles. I'm sure Pelius will find great contentment among his own people in Zone 32, the disused industrial park by the train tracks. This isn't to say there's no advancement on the basis of exceptional merit. A light skinned Indian or a wide eyed chinaman might advance as far as Zone 20 with the invention of a perpetual energy device or something.

On a personal note, I'd like to add that it's been real hoot interacting with you Outzone folk. I'm going to miss your quaint earthiness and novel linguistic shenanigans. Don't let anyone tell you you're anything short of utterly adorable.

[Kwon]

I've been rolling this around the old grey matter, as a white fellow is prone to do, and a solution is now at hand. Everyone keeps their rights and no one gets oppressed by another ethnicity. Best of all, you get to live amongst your own.

Sadly, I will have to accept not living in the penthouse of Zone 1 with the inbred redheads, but my grey-blue eyes will see me into a nice neighborhood. Really nice. It's nice in Zone 1, although the constant hit ups from Zone 2, 3, and 4 chicks is a little wearisome.

Matt C will need some time to adjust to his placement amongst the Slavs and Mediterraneans in Zones 14-18 or whatever olive shadiness he's got going on there, as will most of our Italian contingent who seem to believe they're somehow a member of the inner circles. I'm sure Pelius will find great contentment among his own people in Zone 32, the disused industrial park by the train tracks. This isn't to say there's no advancement on the basis of exceptional merit. A light skinned Indian or a wide eyed chinaman might advance as far as Zone 20 with the invention of a perpetual energy device or something.

On a personal note, I'd like to add that it's been real hoot interacting with you Outzone folk. I'm going to miss your quaint earthiness and novel linguistic shenanigans. Don't let anyone tell you you're anything short of utterly adorable.

What Zone is Henda in? Would love to visit!

[Flexacon]

This thread is a bit of a cuck move.

Pellius and al dogg go at it in another thread with walls of texts that no one was interested in reading. Now pellius makes another thread baiting al dogg and seeking input from others to validate himself.

Very weak bro. You might as well start wearing a dress and call yourself Philippa.

[Kwon]

This thread is a bit of a cuck move.

Pellius and al dogg go at it in another thread with walls of texts that no one was interested in reading. Now pellius makes another thread baiting al dogg and seeking input from others to validate himself.

Very weak bro. You might as well start wearing a dress and call yourself Philippa.

Pellius is right though.

[Flexacon]

Pellius is right though.

Yeah, but why not just make his point and leave it up for discussion?

The last paragraph of his post is high estrogen and you notice no one mentions it in their response because no one, but pellius cares.

[Kramerica]

We have paid literally trillions of dollars for these people to live with us since the 60’s in welfare and programs. We get no appreciation or even acknowledgement of this tremendous cost.  We are repaid by the totally out of control black on white violent crime rate, among other atrocities. Is it worth it white man?

[Tapeworm]

What Zone is Henda in? Would love to visit!

Chest hair is a little dark. And plentiful. I gotta Zone 3 him.

He'll like it there. There's white chicks with dark hair like himself. Buxom. Good breeders. Hearty white stock. Nothing wrong with Zone 3.

[Flexacon]

You either have a class system like India and China or you go via the route of multiculturalism.

You need an underclass for society to prosper, otherwise you'll end up like Japan.

[Kwon]

Chest hair is a little dark. And plentiful. I gotta Zone 3 him.

He'll like it there. There's white chicks with dark hair like himself. Buxom. Good breeders. Hearty white stock. Nothing wrong with Zone 3.

And Queen Vissy? What Zone is Vissy in?

And Goodrum?

Will they be able to meet?

[Humble Narcissist]

I was once engaged in an argument about the necessity in having women in the military and even in combat. I propose the following thought experiment: If we had an all-male military would it's force be in any way reduced? Would we become a less effective fighting force without any women? What if we had an all-women military? Would it be stronger or weaker? Does having women in the military increase our effectiveness? This is not to say that there are no women that will add to the military but is it a necessity? That we can always find a man that will do just as good or better job than any woman? Is having women in the military just a social accommodation?

Now say we had an American society with absolutely no Black people at all. Would we be a better or worse nation? A stronger more prosperous country without Blacks or will it make no difference at all. Now conversely, what if we got rid of all the White people? That this country was run only by Blacks? Would this country be better or worse off or no difference at all?

I'd be curious how someone so brainwashed and dogmatic like Al Doggity would answer a question like this. Hint: he will, like all questions where the truth will incriminate him, not give a simple and direct answer but will hem and haw, dodge and redirect, and bring up strawman arguments and examples that really have no direct relationship to a very simple and direct question. What he will do, is not answer the simple and direct question with a simple and direct answer.

These are all great rhetorical questions.

[loco]

The idea of multiculturalism as a strength assumes that either all involved are equal, or that even the smaller group is somehow stronger in other areas. Even if that might be the case(and I could argue some cases that it would), that idea does not allow for people being unwilling to be a part of the society...as that vastly weakens the overall average contribution.

I don't disagree with you, except for the bolded part above.  Just look at the Amish, the Orthodox Jews, and the Asians including Indians.  They don't really integrate, but they are productive, don't mooch government assistance, keep to themselves, and don't bother anyone.