Rayshard Brooks - Rumors Atlanta police are quitting en masse

[Royalty]

Tapeworm , the cops are well aware of what you're saying. However if the job(incident) goes south in any way, the media will have his head on a platter. I retired in February after 30 years with Philly PD, and I watched the steady progression of resisting every single arrest. You're not prosecuted for it, so why not resist? Why not try to run? No additional charges.   People who aren't on the job literally have no idea how things work in the hood.  Also ...the whole prior complaints against an officer premise is laughable, yet everyone not a cop believes it. Let's say I arrest a drug dealer, he has 10 pounds of weed on him and a thousand dollars. When his high priced lawyer gets him off on some random technicality, he goes straight to internal affairs and says "the cop locked me up but  I had ten thousand dollars on me" as a "fuck you" to the arresting cop. Internal affairs will investigate, but that stays on your permanent record.  Every guy you lock up for beating his wife will say the cop beat him and dropped the n-bomb on him. Internal Affairs HAS to take the complaint, no matter how far fetched...and it stays on your permanent record.  So big city policing is now just a matter of not getting jammed up...and these suburban soccer Mom's are off the charts clueless...the week before I retired I locked up this drunk who had just beat up and robbed a female nurse walking to her car from work, I look for the guy, see him... attempt to lock him up, and I'm surrounded by suburban Douchebags with their cameras out, screaming "why are you stopping him"...and " don't resist, don't give him a reason to kill you"...all the while cursing me and making sure they get my name and badge on tape... I'll get off my soap box now.

I think that now some people will think twice, especially after seeing Brooks get killed in a parking lot

[Tapeworm]

It's a problem that Bad Guys are emboldened by curtailment of the use of force by police. Yes emboldening Bad Guys is bad. How much bolder you think they're going to get when cops stop answering calls altogether?

The Police Union are poor strategists. "If we stop going to work, they'll see how much they need us." No one questions that we need them. They don't seem to have given any thought to how they'll be regarded when the dust settles. Persevering through rough times will win them respect in the long term. Quitting because things are hard won't.

Higher ups need to step up if the cops are bailing. Governors should be on the phone to mayors, etc. Are your police working today? Anything short of "Yes, absolutely" and you put infantry on the streets. Collateral events would be far less than the consequences of anarchy. Lawlessness snowballs. Won't take long for gangs and counter-gangs to form. Instability invites insurgency. Opportunities open up to malevolent assholes home and foreign. People might begin to question the legitimacy of a government which can't keep order. Really no bueno stuff. Putting that genie back in the bottle would be much harder than keeping it corked in. Unlikely it would go that far but they should play this real safe imo.

[Tapeworm]

Not to harp on but

The provision of safety and security of property by the rule of law is not negotiable. Even the most small government libertarian would agree with that. If I was king, which I would be in a just universe, I'd lock shit down hard. No further violence in the streets. There will be no further looting. No arson or destruction of property will be tolerated.  Mayhem is done. If men in blue are unwilling or unable to deliver that, men in green will see to it.

All these guys on the internet who are 'stocked and ready to rock.' I don't think they realize it but they're a nacent counter-gang deligitmizing the government. Think the generalisimo of each little militia is going to set down his Crackerjack box gold stars after having to provide for his own security through a couple engagements?  You may find it's a surprisingly short journey from "Gentlemen, my name is Bob Smith and we need to band together for our mutual protection." to "Holy shit, I've got gun point dominion over a territory." Unless your name is Smith, your quality of life would be unlikely to improve. Encourage your government to keep official, uniformed representatives in place, whatever color cloth they happen to be in.

I'm not saying full martial law. Just brandish the club a little. When there's looting and destruction and people are arming themselves it's ok to get a little heavy and slam the door on instability.

[Kwon]

What if the men in green refuse as well?



You going to send in Goodrum and Vissy?

[Tapeworm]

What if the men in green refuse as well?



You going to send in Goodrum and Vissy?

In all seriousness, no chance. Dereliction is effectively discouraged in the military. The trick to brandishing the club is to do it prior to actually needing to use it. Feels like Mr. Smith who makes a lotta sense is right around the corner.

Even tho we love Melvin, cant see him being promoted past assistant potato peeler in the Congaleze Roots Brigade. But he'd peel with distinction.

[Mayday]

All I'm saying is that stopping responding to calls is not an option. Cops should make their case and fight for what they need, but they have to keep going to work. They have a sworn duty to perform and people who can't defend themselves shouldn't become the casualties.

You are forgetting Police deal with shitbags. They are provided certain powers to allow them to do the job appropriately. However recently, those powers were essentially removed where even when proven legal, you can still be brought up on charges based on an undisclosed 'feeling' someone has at that point in time.

Any 'oath' was based on having those additional powers and support. It's a contract. If you remove the powers and support, the contract is voided and a new oath is required.

 You expect them to be there regardless of their level of personal risk. It shouldn't work like that, they need to be given a choice or are you suggesting we need to remove the rights of any person who joins the Police?

[Kwon]

Tapey


You can be sure that many in the Military feel sympathy (and more) for the Police and how they are treated regarding the latest events.

[Tapeworm]

I understand what you guys are driving at. The police are having a difficult time but my principal concern is the security of the citizenry and their property.

To that end, I propose we band together to ensure our mutual protection. Just until the whole thing blows over, of course. The Citizens Defense League is dedicated to the preservation of Order by decent, law abiding folk, just like yourselves.

[denarii]

What if the men in green refuse as well?



You going to send in Goodrum and Vissy?

BLM will have to campaign to end face sitting arrests.

[Tapeworm]

Then no wonder those women charge so much for that.

[IroNat]

Tape,

You make a lot of sense.  I concur with most of your opinions.

Unfortunately, the leaders in the local governments are paralyzed and refuse to act for fear of themselves being criticized.

They'd rather stand by and let their cities burn than step up and risk political fallout.

The police departments do need some tweaks to remove the few rogue cops.  At the same time, the police need full support to enforce law.

[Tapeworm]

Tape,

You make a lot of sense.  I concur with most of your opinions.

Unfortunately, the leaders in the local governments are paralyzed and refuse to act for fear of themselves being criticized.

They'd rather stand by and let their cities burn than step up and risk political fallout.

The police departments do need some tweaks to remove the few rogue cops.  At the same time, the police need full support to enforce law.

Thank you, Colonel IroNat. It's right thinking patriots such as yourself who will see us through these dark times. This evening's strategic planning summit will be at the usual booth. I've spoken with the manager and have recieved assurance that Denny's policy does not prohibit salutes in the establishment. Also, I've been to Kinkos so the maps are finally laminated.

[IroNat]

Thank you, Colonel IroNat. It's right thinking patriots such as yourself who will see us through these dark times. This evening's strategic planning summit will be at the usual booth. I've spoken with the manager and have recieved assurance that Denny's policy does not prohibit salutes in the establishment. Also, I've been to Kinkos so the maps are finally laminated.

[joswift]

Tape,

You make a lot of sense.  I concur with most of your opinions.

Unfortunately, the leaders in the local governments are paralyzed and refuse to act for fear of themselves being criticized.

They'd rather stand by and let their cities burn than step up and risk political fallout.

The police departments do need some tweaks to remove the few rogue cops.  At the same time, the police need full support to enforce law.

are you suggesting they are knowingly allowing rogue cops to go out and police the streets?

[IroNat]

are you suggesting they are knowingly allowing rogue cops to go out and police the streets?

That was not my statement but definitely they have been letting rogue cops remain on the job.

[joswift]

That was not my statement but definitely they have been letting rogue cops remain on the job.

letting them stay on the job and knowingly allowing rogue cops to police the streets are the same thing

[chaos]

are you suggesting they are knowingly allowing rogue cops to go out and police the streets?

Uh yes. The police unions intentionally cover up for police misdoings. This is nothing new. Unions have become like mafias, covering for their own people at any cost.

[joswift]

Uh yes. The police unions intentionally cover up for police misdoings. This is nothing new. Unions have become like mafias, covering for their own people at any cost.

So its the unions that hire and fire cops is it?

[chaos]

So its the unions that hire and fire cops is it?

No, but it the union that protects and hides their misdeeds.

[IroNat]

So its the unions that hire and fire cops is it?

What, are we playing trick questions, Joe?

[Virgil]

The idea of a "rogue" cop doing whatever he wants and getting away with it is a bit of a stretch.  If you're an active cop in a busy district, you're going to put in dangerous situations on a daily if not hourly basis.  You will not be able to keep everyone happy in these interactions, inevitably someone will be mad at you, thinking you either didn't do your job or overdid your job.  I have a few friends that have been in over ten shootings over the years, they almost always get taken off the street and are put onto desk duty to prevent future lawsuits against the department.  What I'm trying to say in a roundabout mannor is that departments are constantly trying to protect themselves from lawsuits, so having cops that have founded ( proven) liabilities are rare on the street, they'll be working at evidence, cellrooms etc.

[Humble Narcissist]

The idea of a "rogue" cop doing whatever he wants and getting away with it is a bit of a stretch.  If you're an active cop in a busy district, you're going to put in dangerous situations on a daily if not hourly basis.  You will not be able to keep everyone happy in these interactions, inevitably someone will be mad at you, thinking you either didn't do your job or overdid your job.  I have a few friends that have been in over ten shootings over the years, they almost always get taken off the street and are put onto desk duty to prevent future lawsuits against the department.  What I'm trying to say in a roundabout mannor is that departments are constantly trying to protect themselves from lawsuits, so having cops that have founded ( proven) liabilities are rare on the street, they'll be working at evidence, cellrooms etc.

If I were a cop I would much prefer desk duty.

[joswift]

No, but it the union that protects and hides their misdeeds.

the union cant hide anything, the union is there to represent the staff during any disciplinary issues to ensure the company stays within the employment laws in their investigations and disciplinary actions

They have zero power in protecting a cop who has broken the rules, all they can do is beg for a lesser punishment

I was a union representative for years, I know the scope they have

[che]

the union cant hide anything, the union is there to represent the staff during any disciplinary issues to ensure the company stays within the employment laws in their investigations and disciplinary actions

They have zero power in protecting a cop who has broken the rules, all they can do is beg for a lesser punishment

I was a union representative for years, I know the scope they have

What union did you represent , Joswift ?

[joswift]

What union did you represent , Joswift ?

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