Is there any truth to Jay Cutlers training philosophy?

[friedchickendinner]

Jay Cutlers training philosophy is: to get as much blood into the muscle as possible and get a great pump.

Doesn't seem very scientific.

Or is it?

No intensity principles. No overload over time etc.

Anyone can get a great pump, even with the smallest of weights, why would that equal the greatest growth possible?

His philosophy sure is at odds with Dorian and Ronnie Coleman.

[JustPlaneJane]

Jay Cutlers training philosophy is: to get as much blood into the muscle as possible and get a great pump.

Doesn't seem very scientific.

Or is it?

No intensity principles. No overload over time etc.

Anyone can get a great pump, even with the smallest of weights, why would that equal the greatest growth possible?

His philosophy sure is at odds with Dorian and Ronnie Coleman.

[oldtimer1]

I'll bite this troll's post. Cutler does two warm up sets but they are not easy then three main sets. He handled decent weights but nothing like Coleman or Yates. He did a lot of volume so his weights weren't insane but they were respectable. I give him this. He still trains and trains hard. Since he's not taking the level of "supplements" he used when he was competing he's not nearly as massive but he's still an impressive 250lbs or so.

[friedchickendinner]

I'll bite this troll's post. Cutler does two warm up sets but they are not easy then three main sets. He handled decent weights but nothing like Coleman or Yates. He did a lot of volume so his weights weren't insane but they were respectable. I give him this. He still trains and trains hard. Since he's not taking the level of "supplements" he used when he was competing he's not nearly as massive but he's still an impressive 250lbs or so.

Thats not what im talking about

I am talking about the philosophy of BLOOD into the muscle something he always talks about and that the PUMP is the most important thing

no bodybuilder in teh history of bodybuilding has ever talked so much about blood in the muscle and pump as jay cutler

NOBODY IN THE HISTORY OF BODYBUILDING

Dorian NEVER mentioned it in his whole career

Neither has RONNIE

So before you talk aboiut me being a troll how abpout you understand what the hell im even talking about?

[harmankardon1]

Do the steroids, gh peps whatever works, do this for years...
Eat lots of food, hit protein quotas, do this for years...
Train hard, change excercises every now and then, get the mind in each group your trying to grow, do this for years...
Have the genetics to build needed mass and maintain some aesthetic appearance...

That's it, it's not rocket science, but takes dedication and time.

[friedchickendinner]

 It is rocket science for at least two reasons:

1. Different bodybuilders used different training protocols to get different results.

2. Which of those protocols would be better for regular folks?

3. What are the pros/cons of Cutlers training philosophy?

This is an interesting topic, but only if you are interested in the above.

[Body-Buildah]

common sense that all training methods all drug regimens work if someone is dedicated to them and are a good responded to anabolics and stimulus (and have good genetics for muscle building).
thats why there are hundreds of training systems they all work

[Vince B]

Thats not what im talking about

I am talking about the philosophy of BLOOD into the muscle something he always talks about and that the PUMP is the most important thing

no bodybuilder in teh history of bodybuilding has ever talked so much about blood in the muscle and pump as jay cutler

NOBODY IN THE HISTORY OF BODYBUILDING

Dorian NEVER mentioned it in his whole career

Neither has RONNIE

So before you talk aboiut me being a troll how abpout you understand what the hell im even talking about?

What you?  Larry Scott in the 1960s advocated trying to exceed your pump at every workout. Especially for arms and calves.

Now, what knucklehead would assume this means to get a pump any way at all? Larry invented many painful methods to get that pump.

Up and down the rack for arms and shoulders for example.

[friedchickendinner]

What you?  Larry Scott in the 1960s advocated trying to exceed your pump at every workout. Especially for arms and calves.

Now, what knucklehead would assume this means to get a pump any way at all? Larry invented many painful methods to get that pump.

Up and down the rack for arms and shoulders for example.

How do you measuring more pump from one time to another?

Seems like a pre-workout would give you a good pump, does that mean using a pre-workout results in bigger muscle mass?

[Vince B]

How do you measuring more pump from one time to another?

Seems like a pre-workout would give you a good pump, does that mean using a pre-workout results in bigger muscle mass?

You always measure after the workout....maximum pump. Even do an additional set or two to see if you get any bigger.

To see if you gained measure arms next morning.

[IroNat]

Vince Gironda said once you get a pump in a muscle stop training it for the day.

Train beyond that and you can kill the pump.

[friedchickendinner]

You always measure after the workout....maximum pump. Even do an additional set or two to see if you get any bigger.

To see if you gained measure arms next morning.

Let's say Jay Cutler been able to put 2 inches on his arms in 20 years.

Let's say he trains arms twice a week over 20 years = 2000 times.

2 inches divided by 2000 is that even measureable in any meaningful way?

[friedchickendinner]

Since a pre-workout increase the pump then pre-workout also leads to more muscle mass.

And since a big number of very light weights increase pump - then that too leads to more muscle mass.

So in order to get bigger arms for example a 5 pound dumbbell and 1 scope of pre-workout should do the trick.

Never did I think getting big arms was this easy!

[Fortress]

Pump. Oh brother. 

[oldtimer1]

Thats not what im talking about

I am talking about the philosophy of BLOOD into the muscle something he always talks about and that the PUMP is the most important thing

no bodybuilder in teh history of bodybuilding has ever talked so much about blood in the muscle and pump as jay cutler

NOBODY IN THE HISTORY OF BODYBUILDING

Dorian NEVER mentioned it in his whole career

Neither has RONNIE

So before you talk aboiut me being a troll how abpout you understand what the hell im even talking about?

Fair enough. Many have talked about the pump. As we all know Arnold sure as hell talked about it. This is my take. Many guys train with lower reps to get stronger say 6 to 10 for a long time stalling in progress. Many have made really good improvement doing high reps where the muscle pumps up, endurance builds and blood pathways improve. Heard of a guy that kept grinding away with sets of 8 reps in thigh work with heavy weights and wasn't satisfied with the results. He started doing four sets of 30 and up to 50 rep sets of leg presses. Bam his thighs took off. When he went back to lower reps of 15 he still got great results than expected and he gave credit the improved blood supply to his thighs because of the higher reps. I believe for lack of a better term muscles grow the best through the progressive training through muscular endurance rather than pure strength. If strength was the magic bullet we would all warm up and do sets of a single rep.

[pkaz]

I trained with Rodger Callard in World Gym years ago. He always said its not the weight its the pump. Reps 8 to 12. Chase the pump then stop. 

[harmankardon1]

It's the same as with drugs as with training, you need to alternate the stimulus, as the body always looks to achieve homeostasis after a short time.

this means , changing excerises, changing rep ranges, cycling dosages and compounds, taking an occasional break from drugs and training and also food at times, a good rebound after cut gets good gains etc, the methods themselves aren't as important as long as they archive this goal.

It's all about manipulating the body's responses to continue gaining.

[AbrahamG]

You always measure after the workout....maximum pump. Even do an additional set or two to see if you get any bigger.

To see if you gained measure arms next morning.

Do you ever measure your cock after you pound a random bloke in the arse?

[friedchickendinner]

It's the same as with drugs as with training, you need to alternate the stimulus, as the body always looks to achieve homeostasis after a short time.

this means , changing excerises, changing rep ranges, cycling dosages and compounds, taking an occasional break from drugs and training and also food at times, a good rebound after cut gets good gains etc, the methods themselves aren't as important as long as they archive this goal.

It's all about manipulating the body's responses to continue gaining.

Jay Cutler doesnt change anything

[Dokey111]

What else could there be?  Arnold absolutely was all about the pump.  It's not strength, strength doesn't equal size, so what else could it be?

[IroNat]

"A pump is like coming with a woman.  I am coming with my woman, I am coming in the gym, I am coming all the time."
 -- Arnold

[friedchickendinner]

What else could there be?  Arnold absolutely was all about the pump.  It's not strength, strength doesn't equal size, so what else could it be?

Not sure if serious, have no time to find out.