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Re: I love Golds Venice
« Reply #25 on: June 23, 2020, 08:21:47 PM »
I heard you never recovered after your gym closed


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LOL - looks like we've found yet another topic you know nothing about.

Unlike you, instead of crying online like a whiny little bitch, I set up a very decent gym in my garage.

Also unlike you, when my gym does open I will gladly wear a mask in order to be able to workout in the gym.  Hopefully whiny little bitches like you will stay home (and no doubt keep whining online).

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Re: I love Golds Venice
« Reply #26 on: June 23, 2020, 08:28:11 PM »

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Re: I love Golds Venice
« Reply #27 on: June 24, 2020, 02:15:01 AM »
straw says people are crying yet cries in every political thread posting trump meme's like a 12 yr old.
comical
i see the troll w/ many gimmicks is here talking to himself safely throwing shots while not using his main acct.
very sad individual who thinks hes more clever than most but is really mentally week.

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Re: I love Golds Venice
« Reply #28 on: June 24, 2020, 03:44:02 AM »
Arnold must have heavily invested in the mask industry recently. There’s no way he can get sick while eating his vegan diet with extra immune boosting foods. Perpetual opportunist of peace...

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Re: I love Golds Venice
« Reply #29 on: June 24, 2020, 03:53:05 AM »


Watching John with the woke machine, it was suddenly so clear. The sperminator, would never stop. It would never impregnate a Guatemalan housekeeper and leave him, and it would never hurt him, never shout at him, or get AIDS and try to fuck him, or say it was too busy to spend time with him. It would always be there. And it would die of COVID-19, to protect him. Of all the would-be fathers who came and went over the years, this thing, this woke machine, was the only one who measured up. In an insane world, it was the sanest choice.

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Re: I love Golds Venice
« Reply #30 on: June 24, 2020, 04:10:11 AM »
LOL - looks like we've found yet another topic you know nothing about.

Unlike you, instead of crying online like a whiny little bitch, I set up a very decent gym in my garage.

Also unlike you, when my gym does open I will gladly wear a mask in order to be able to workout in the gym.  Hopefully whiny little bitches like you will stay home (and no doubt keep whining online).

lol.. fuckin fag

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Re: I love Golds Venice
« Reply #31 on: June 24, 2020, 04:29:50 AM »
Arnold is nothing but a back stabbing has been piece of shit who loves attention all of his movies the
Past 17 years have been flops. He rigged the 80 and 81 Olympia’s for him and his gay lover columbo

LOL!  I like to think this is the sort of comment Mad Mike Mentzer would have made if he was still around  ;D
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Re: I love Golds Venice
« Reply #32 on: June 24, 2020, 04:30:48 AM »
Arnold must have heavily invested in the mask industry recently. There’s no way he can get sick while eating his vegan diet with extra immune boosting foods. Perpetual opportunist of peace...

Bro...  Say it ain't so...  :'(
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Re: I love Golds Venice
« Reply #33 on: June 24, 2020, 04:35:57 AM »
COACH, Arnold had nothing to do with the making of Gold's! He had a lot to do with the popularity of bodybuilding but nothing to do with the eventual success of the Gold's Gym enterprise!

As I recall the facts, Arnold was closely associated with Joe Gold and Zabo and a couple of those other old timers and to the best of my recollection he was loyal to those elderly geezers and seldom stepped foot within the Gold's in Santa Monica  nor the Gold's in Venice once Joe sold it and eventually opened a couple streets south of the present day Gold's.

But when Joe owned his second location within Venice just a bit south of the freeway, Arnold was a member and his name was added on the wall-chart  in which Joe kept track of late paying members.

Do you have any knowledge regarding "The Dungeon"? .... Who owned it? Who ran it?  When did it open? And when did it close down? Who trained there besides Draper? And what businesses occupied the remainder of that building?

Gold's Gym main success was due to the efforts of Peter and Paul Grymkowski and Ed Connors plus one whose name presently escapes me ....  and their invites to the magazine photographers to use  the gym for photo layouts!

Much  more involved ....... but Arnold had little to do with it.




Ken Sprague made Gold's.
Joe Gold sold it way back in 1970 to Bud Danitz before anybody knew where Golds Gym was.
Sprague bought it in 1972 and owned it until 1979.
Sprague is responsible for making Golds famous.  All the Pumping Iron stuff happened during his ownership.  He promoted all that.
Sprague moved the gym to its second location.
Grymko and pals bought it from Sprague in 1979 and franchised it.
Joe Gold had nothing to do with any of that.
Joe Gold opened World Gym later 70s.

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Re: I love Golds Venice
« Reply #34 on: June 24, 2020, 05:04:27 AM »
I thought mask wearing was mandatory in all public areas in California?

LA Fitness reopened with requiring masks now they are mandatory. Nothing to do with Arnold.

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« Reply #35 on: June 24, 2020, 05:24:15 AM »
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« Reply #36 on: June 24, 2020, 05:29:27 AM »
Bro...  Say it ain't so...  :'(

It is so. It is so bro....

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Re: I love Golds Venice
« Reply #37 on: June 24, 2020, 05:54:33 AM »
COACH, Arnold had nothing to do with the making of Gold's! He had a lot to do with the popularity of bodybuilding but nothing to do with the eventual success of the Gold's Gym enterprise!

As I recall the facts, Arnold was closely associated with Joe Gold and Zabo and a couple of those other old timers and to the best of my recollection he was loyal to those elderly geezers and seldom stepped foot within the Gold's in Santa Monica  nor the Gold's in Venice once Joe sold it and eventually opened a couple streets south of the present day Gold's.

But when Joe owned his second location within Venice just a bit south of the freeway, Arnold was a member and his name was added on the wall-chart  in which Joe kept track of late paying members.

Do you have any knowledge regarding "The Dungeon"? .... Who owned it? Who ran it?  When did it open? And when did it close down? Who trained there besides Draper? And what businesses occupied the remainder of that building?

Gold's Gym main success was due to the efforts of Peter and Paul Grymkowski and Ed Connors plus one whose name presently escapes me ....  and their invites to the magazine photographers to use  the gym for photo layouts!

Much  more involved ....... but Arnold had little to do with it.
                          Draper's Dungeon!
Dave Draper
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December 17, 2018 •  9 min read
It was a legendary time of bodybuilding history, and eight-week period in 1970, when, at Joe Gold's original gym in Santa Monica, these men shared their training energy.

Republished with permission from www.davedraper.com. Publication date - 1988
The Dungeon at Muscle Beach was small. There was barely room to move around. Located at the corner of Fourth and Broadway in Santa Monica, California, the Dungeon was a famous hideaway gym for some of bodybuilding's most powerful men. Dark and dirty, the Dungeon was also quite smelly since it was located in a basement below an old hotel that had a taproom.

The California Summers

During the hot California summers, the old beer taps would leak and the brew would eventually make its way through cracks in the floors to the Dungeon. In the winter, when it rained, the walls and floor would also leak and pretty soon, with the rank odors of stale beer and mildew mixing with smells of new and old sweat, the Dungeon had a most unusual aroma. No one who worked out there, though, seemed to mind.

The Dungeon had no fancy equipment. No Universal or Paramount machines and, of course, Nautilus was still nothing but a seashell since we're talking '60s here. There was no daylight in the Dungeon, either. Lighting was provided by four rows of overhead bulbs. Benches weren't padded. Splinters were picked out in the shower. Clothesline served as cables, there wasn't even a hack or leg press machine and most of the stuff teetered on rusty nails and bolts. But, oh, the bodies that came out of the Dungeon!

George Eiferman first brought Dave Draper to the Dungeon in 1962. A neophyte bodyman then, Draper was awed. Steve Reeves used to train there when he came to town. So did Eiferman himself and Zabo and Hugo Labra, Bill McCardle, Gene Shuey and monsters Steve Marjanian and Chuck Ahrens. Later, when Draper came out to California from New Jersey with Joe Weider, he joined the Dungeon - for $48 a year - to heave the odd-weighted dumbbells that made champions.

It has been said that every generation looks back, longing for the good old days. The same is true with our sport. Dave Draper considers the '60s the golden era of bodybuilding, the romantic age of iron when the camaraderie and simplicity of bodybuilding were at their zenith. It was the time when Joe Weider, Trainer of Champions, dubbed Draper the Blond Bomber.

The 60's

Ah yes, the '60s - when Colbert, Ross, Grimek, Reeves, Eiferman and Tanny gave way to Pearl, Park, Scott, Wayne, Oliva, Draper and Schwarzenegger. The way Draper sees it, the golden era of bodybuilding started to wind down when Oliva and Schwarzenegger stopped battling and ended completely when Arnold retired in 1975 after six successive Mr. Olympia wins.

The 70's

By the mid '70s, bodybuilding illusion gave way to bodybuilding reality. Up to this time, anabolic hormones were an "inside tip" and used by an elite clique in limited dosages. The steroid surge of the '70s changed the faces (and livers) of bodybuilders forever. Steroids gave the mediocre their chance for fleeting fame.

Dave Draper misses the old days, the sweet siren call of the '60s. In the days when Joe Weider's Muscle Builder featured the Blond Bomber as everything that a young man could be as a bodybuilder, the iron sport was indeed friendlier, simpler and more romantic in lifestyle, nutrition and training. Could the Dungeon survive today in the age of Cybex and Myotech?

In the '60s, before the extreme emphasis on being ripped to the bone, bodybuilding was fun. There were few hardships, drugs were something Timothy Leary talked about, growth hormone was still buried with the dead. In the '60s bodybuilders lifted heavy weights, but they also lifted heavy, dripping T-bones. They didn't measure their protein powder, they shoveled it in.

The Fundamentals

Nutritional fundamentals could be described in five words, "eat a lot of protein." Draper did - to the tune of 400-500 grams a day. That meant a lot of calories too. Consequently, bodybuilders in the '60s were big and strong. Oliva, Schwarzenegger, Ferrigno, Katz and Draper were the biggest bodybuilders of all time.

As a testament to the simplicity of the '60s compared to today, bodybuilders then talked about Crash Weight Gain #7 and Weider's Super Pro 101. Hell, there was even a lawsuit back then over weight-gain powders! Today, attend a bodybuilding seminar and you'll hear free-form aminos, branched chain aminos, succinates, medium-chained triglycerides, branching glucose polymers, glucogen and sodium loading. You'll hear about such esoteric supplements as Yohimbe bark. Bodybuilders back then knew you got all that stuff in steak, eggs and milk.

Back then the science of anabolic steroids was spelled Dianabol. Today we have designer steroids - ones to add density, others to add size, others to add strength. There's even an Italian one that's supposed to build up individual muscles. Some lulu in Europe even claims to split muscle fibers with electrical probes. Is it any wonder that Dave Draper pines for the '60s?

At the Dungeon, buried beneath that old Santa Monica hotel, from 1963-67, Dave Draper built one of the greatest physiques of all time. He trained with enormous energy expenditure fueled by thousands of calories. He trained six days a week from 6-9 a.m. The Dungeon, which had the rusty vestiges of the old outdoor Muscle Beach equipment, was all a man expected a gym to be.

During the years '63-67, Draper changed from a 260-pound beach ball to a 230-pound bull. In the second contest of his life, the 1965 IFBB Mr. America, he won first place. That alone catapulted him into the Weider hall of fame. In 1966, he entered the IFBB Mr. Universe, his third contest, and won it. He was favored in the '67 Mr. Olympia, but Sergio Oliva took it. There was no doubt that the training Draper did has to be unusual. He built up fast and efficiently with some of the shabbiest equipment allowable by law!

The Training

His Dungeon training was fast, hard and heavy. Almost every set was an attempt at a strength or endurance record. He and his training partner Dick Sweet constantly challenged each other - for the entire three-hour session. Despite the plethora of energy enhancers and drugs available today, I'd venture to guess that most modern-day bodybuilders would over train on Draper's plan. Bodybuilders today don't eat enough fat for long-term energy, their calories are too low and they don't get enough rest and relaxation. By and large they lack patience, too. Besides, the guys in the Dungeon would never have to put up with someone who claimed to be over trained. There was no such thing then.

Draper rotated his body parts so that he trained everything three times a week. On day one he'd work chest, back and shoulders. The next day came abdominals, biceps, triceps and legs. He did an enormous number of sets, from 20-30 per body part. That might mean over 80 sets per workout! Draper field-tested a lot of Joe Weider's ideas before they went into the Weider system, things like supersets and cheating. Draper supersetted nearly his entire program and got plenty massive (it's interesting that Sergio Oliva did the same things and still does today).

For his 54-inch chest (in the 1966 movie, Don't Make Waves, Sharon Tate, later murdered by the Manson family, swooned over it), Draper started with five supersets of collar-to collar benches and close-grip benches. He also used the Weider Pyramid Principle while keeping his reps between 6-8. At this point in his career, he could bench press over 450 pounds and military press 300 pounds. Draper was a strong guy. He had to be with powermongers Ahrens, Casey and Marjanian lurking about the Dungeon.

The Five Supersets

Following five hearty supersets, Draper followed with five more on heavy dumbbell inclines and flat bench flyes. He went up to 150 pounds in his inclines. If you think that's a lot (and it is!), Draper fondly recalls watching Pat Casey do the same exercise with a pair of 220-pound dumbbells. Casey, of course, was the first man to officially bench press 600 pounds. Draper also remembers watching Chuck Ahrens do seated dumbbell presses with a pair of 160-pound dumbbells.

With such inspiration, Draper then proceeded to blitz his phenomenal back, which Arnold called the best in the business. Dave started with five supersets of wide-grip bent-over rows and stiff-arm pullovers for 6-8 reps. Following this he did what some would consider and unusual superset, five sets of behind-the-neck presses with five sets of wide-grip pull-ups.

Here he'd push his reps up to 12 or so. Not finished despite an upsurge of blood equal to the denouement of Sam Peckinpah's The Wild Bunch, Draper had some more supersets to do. This time, five sets of 12-15 in the long pulley row and lat machine pull downs. In both exercises, the Blond Bomber thought nothing of doing his reps with more than 300 pounds!

Having already pre-exhausted his posterior deltoids with rows and behind-the-neck presses, Draper started his shoulder training with 90-degree dumbbell presses without supersetting. He made a point of working up to at least 105s for 6-8 strict repetitions. Next was a conventional Draperism, a superset that was really a compound set (a superset within the same body part). He did five sets of heavy, cheat lateral raises and five sets of strict laterals with his back flush to a wall. On his cheats, he'd use 60s. For his strict laterals, 30s were the order of the day.

Draper was known to have a pair of the biggest delts in bodybuilding. No wonder. Draper and Sweet moved through their heavy training like a Kansas twister through a mobile home park. They wreaked havoc on their bodies, but paid themselves back at the training table.

During his workouts, Draper would never think about outside things. He envisioned himself as a piece of lead, thick and dense. Rest? Draper and Sweet rested only as long as it took them to catch their breath between exercises. That way they didn't have time to think about anything else.

Day two started with abs. Draper always warmed up on this day with a series of supersets between incline sit-ups and leg raises. He not only kept his waist trim by doing this (in the e'60s, the abs and legs were secondary to arms, chest and shoulders) but he also freed himself from outside thought during this time.

Draper started out with biceps training by doing 15 sets, consisting of five sets each of barbell curls (6-8 reps), alternate incline dumbbell curls (6-8 reps) and preacher curls (also called Scott curls, 8-10 reps). He'd finish off with five sets of high-repetition wrist curls, Draper's arms were around 21 inches at his best and his biceps had an amazing peak. However, triceps were his babies.

Draper almost always did 25 sets for those muscles. He started with five supersets of standing overhead triceps extensions with a rope-pulley arrangement and his back supported and conventional triceps pushdowns. He favored reps in the 12-15 range for the best triceps pump. His next superset was lying triceps extensions with the EZ-Curl bar and behind-the-head rope-pulley extensions, both for 10-15 reps.

Draper made it a point to finish his triceps work with parallel bar dips. Although he saw Pat Casey, who weighed 320 pounds, do 10 reps with 300 pounds strapped around his waist, Draper would have not part of that! He did five sets of as many reps as he could with bodyweight alone. That worked well enough.

The Leg Workout

Legs were next. Draper used the Weider Pyramid Principle in the squat for adding mass. Usually he ran through seven or eight sets (not counting his light warm-ups) as follows:

350 lbs. x 10 reps
375 lbs. x 8 reps
400 lbs. x 6 reps
425 lbs. x 4 reps
450 lbs. x 2 reps
350 lbs. x 10 reps
350 lbs. x 10 reps
Following squats, he did 5-6 sets of leg extensions and leg curls with as much weight as he could possible muster for 10-15 repetitions. He'd finish his leg pump with 10 sets of 12-15 reps in the donkey calf raise.

With his intense attitude and heavy training in the Dungeon, Dave molded a worldclass physique in short order. Even though he won both the America and the Universe in his meteoric rise, his exit was just as fast - but that was his choice.

The Thrill

For Dave Draper there was a shift in bodybuilding in the late '60s and early '70s. The thrill was fading rapidly. He says: "Around 1968 I grew disillusioned. I grew up during the romantic era of bodybuilding with people who worked out in the Dungeon. We thought the most important things in life were heavy training, good eating and basking in the sun. In those days, bodybuilders would hitchhike together along the shores for days just to see a contest."

Draper continues: "Attitudes mean a lot to me and they changed drastically. Competitive bodybuilding got complicated. There was too much preoccupation with big muscles and much less camaraderie than before. Things weren't as simple. You used to pose to music selected by the contest promoter. All of a sudden you had to prepare music and routines. I liked it much better before, although I still trained. I put my mind outside of bodybuilding after that."

Draper did go on to win the Mr. Universe in 1970 (after training eight weeks), but it was never the same for him again. He officially retired his legend in 1970.

Draper is at peace with himself today after battling personal demons for years. He's wiser, more mature and in incredible shape. He loves training, but what he cherishes most in life is his self-built home in beautiful Santa Cruz, time with his friends and his memories of the romantic age of bodybuilding. In the golden '60s, when the Blond Bomber was king, he bombed away in the Dungeon and built one of the greatest bodies of all time.

Thanks,

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AceCorona (Sam Orona)
I wish I could go back in a time machine and train with them!

May 9th, 2018
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JordanPrater
A TRUE bodybuilder. Draper & the Golden Era boys appreciated bodybuilding, and they pictured their body as a work of art. It sure has changed.

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Re: I love Golds Venice
« Reply #38 on: June 24, 2020, 07:55:39 AM »
FUNK, Thanks for posting Dave's article. This is the first time I've seen it,. I'll do my best to read it thoroughly ASAP and see if I can offer additional comments that may be of interest as I have met, known, or trained with a good number of the individuals Dave has mentioned.

Thanks again, FUNK! It's always great to get a kick in the memory banks.

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Re: I love Golds Venice
« Reply #39 on: June 24, 2020, 08:00:58 AM »
Then go somewhere else if you don't like it. 

Spending your money at another gym would be a better cause of argument against his rules than whining on a message board.

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Re: I love Golds Venice
« Reply #40 on: June 24, 2020, 08:30:12 AM »
IRON, Thanks for your Gold's Gym history input. I knew/know all the individuals you have mentioned, but BUD DANTZ is a complete mystery to me as I must have been 'far away' at that time, but I do recall a story that may be of interest .... or which you may be able to confirm or deny.

When Joe first sold his gym (to BUD??)  ... he did not realize that he had also sold the rights to the name "GOLD'S GYM" .... and he intended to open another gym using that name once again in some form or another .... thereby initiating a lawsuit ... in which Joe lost ... and hence ... World Gym was born.

And I gotta partially disagree with ya regarding Ken Sprague's importance regarding Gold's ultimate success.

Ken was definitely important in his own way back then and promoted one of the best contests ever seen on the West Coast. It was Mr. America week and it even included
a decent parade with an elephant leading the way.

Mae West was escorted on stage by Bert Goodrich(?) and presented he winner's trophy (was it Dave Johns who won it that night?) and a live orchestra played during the participant's posing routines.

Sprague was one hell of a great promoter but in my humble opinion the real success of Gold's Gym occurred when Grymko and pals bought it from Sprague in 1979 and FRANCHISED IT!

And actually Sprague moved the gym to its third location ... not its second location as you so mentioned.

But I may be he only individual remaining on this planet  who can claim that it was actually Gold's Gym 4th location. (More on that if there is any interest.)

Thanks again, IRON, but what ever happened to BUD DANTZ and who the hell was he?

PS ... DAVE SAXE was also involved when Gold's was purchased from Joe Gold for $50,000 if I recall correctly.






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Re: I love Golds Venice
« Reply #41 on: June 24, 2020, 08:54:37 AM »
Watching John with the woke machine, it was suddenly so clear. The sperminator, would never stop. It would never impregnate a Guatemalan housekeeper and leave him, and it would never hurt him, never shout at him, or get AIDS and try to fuck him, or say it was too busy to spend time with him. It would always be there. And it would die of COVID-19, to protect him. Of all the would-be fathers who came and went over the years, this thing, this woke machine, was the only one who measured up. In an insane world, it was the sanest choice.

LOL! ;D

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Re: I love Golds Venice
« Reply #42 on: June 24, 2020, 09:14:33 AM »
Watching John with the woke machine, it was suddenly so clear. The sperminator, would never stop. It would never impregnate a Guatemalan housekeeper and leave him, and it would never hurt him, never shout at him, or get AIDS and try to fuck him, or say it was too busy to spend time with him. It would always be there. And it would die of COVID-19, to protect him. Of all the would-be fathers who came and went over the years, this thing, this woke machine, was the only one who measured up. In an insane world, it was the sanest choice.

Missed this.

Good work!

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Re: I love Golds Venice
« Reply #43 on: June 24, 2020, 09:33:12 AM »
DRAPER...was not in my era of  starting training but that was a great read.

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Re: I love Golds Venice
« Reply #44 on: June 24, 2020, 10:00:21 AM »
straw says people are crying yet cries in every political thread posting trump meme's like a 12 yr old.
comical
i see the troll w/ many gimmicks is here talking to himself safely throwing shots while not using his main acct.
very sad individual who thinks hes more clever than most but is really mentally week.

arnie is gay

feel free to bump any thread where you think I'm "crying"

remember to look at our phony coaches posts about Golds so you have an example of what actual crying and whining looks like


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Re: Gold's Venice - Forced masks thanks to Arnold
« Reply #45 on: June 24, 2020, 11:00:03 AM »
I overtrained reading that Draper article. :-[ :-[  Good read.

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Re: I love Golds Venice
« Reply #46 on: June 24, 2020, 11:14:49 AM »
DRAPER...was not in my era of  starting training but that was a great read.
dave
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Re: Gold's Venice - Forced masks thanks to Arnold
« Reply #47 on: June 24, 2020, 11:16:15 AM »
 :o better times
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Re: I love Golds Venice
« Reply #48 on: June 24, 2020, 11:32:31 AM »
Watching John with the woke machine, it was suddenly so clear. The sperminator, would never stop. It would never impregnate a Guatemalan housekeeper and leave him, and it would never hurt him, never shout at him, or get AIDS and try to fuck him, or say it was too busy to spend time with him. It would always be there. And it would die of COVID-19, to protect him. Of all the would-be fathers who came and went over the years, this thing, this woke machine, was the only one who measured up. In an insane world, it was the sanest choice.

Arnold is onboard for the musical.

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Re: Gold's Venice - Forced masks thanks to Arnold
« Reply #49 on: June 24, 2020, 12:03:39 PM »
Just to clear things up, when I said Arnold built Golds I didn’t mean literally build it. I know it’s history. I meant when you hear the name “Golds gym” almost everyone associates with Arnold, and yes, I was at Worlds in Santa Monica when Joe owned it as well. Same plane where he trained when he made his comeback at the 80’ Olympia.