Straight from a Philly Cop - Morale is low - Disdain for the Chief

[oldgolds]

Is this a big deal?

 I’ve read countless times on here that cops were losers and bullied in high school and they became police men because of that rejection.

Now people are demanding police reform and suddenly the Getbig collective is against that idea?

I know everyone here is heavily loaded with guns and ammunition and we are all ready to die to defend our rights and property so how will this really become a bad thing for a typical Getbigger?

We can wipe out the scum we come in contact with without any resistance, why complain?

Nonsense...Cops are regular Men and  Women trying to do a dangerous, difficult job and dealing with the scum of society on a daily basis. People complaining about cops are almost always from high crime groups (blacks) or  people who have an arrest record.  It's  normal to resent someone who puts you in jail.

[mphgrove]

Nonsense...Cops are regular Men and  Women trying to do a dangerous, difficult job and dealing with the scum of society on a daily basis. People complaining about cops are almost always from high crime groups (blacks) or  people who have an arrest record.  It's  normal to resent someone who puts you in jail.

True and we need to believe in them and support them. But, on their end,  they should not get into a mindset where, given low morale, they stop taking their job seriously and stop being responsive. That would be very negative.

[funk51]

the local citizenry will have to pick up the slack.     

[mphgrove]

the local citizenry will have to pick up the slack.     

LOL    Gomer: Citizens Ayyyrest

[Mr Anabolic]

True and we need to believe in them and support them. But, on their end,  they should not get into a mindset where, given low morale, they stop taking their job seriously and stop being responsive. That would be very negative.

They are sending a silent message.  The entire police force is being disrespected and vilified by their own city officials.  No support from their police chiefs either.  The whole thing is quite nefarious.  These police should've have to put up with this. 

[mphgrove]

They are sending a silent message.  The entire police force is being disrespected and vilified by their own city officials.  No support from their police chiefs either.  The whole thing is quite nefarious.  These police should've have to put up with this.

But sending the message while cashing the paycheck is always a problem.

[illuminati]

I’m no cop lover - only they’re a necessary in society especially for the weak & vulnerable.
What I will say is many cops & their bosses have brought this hate & distrust upon themselves by
Not dealing Hard & Properly with many rogue cops & continually letting them off from Brutality/
Rapes/ Thefts to Murder.
No doubt there’s many a good cop out there - only they all stood silent while the bad ones did as they wanted - They’re complicit by their silence.

[Hypertrophy]

I’m no cop lover - only they’re a necessary in society especially for the weak & vulnerable.

The alternatives are : 1) Anarchy 2) Vigilantes or 3) A Federal Police Force, AKA Brown Shirts. All of these options have been tried in history and they all failed miserable. Cops are fine.

[illuminati]

The alternatives are : 1) Anarchy 2) Vigilantes or 3) A Federal Police Force, AKA Brown Shirts. All of these options have been tried in history and they all failed miserable. Cops are fine.

Some cops are Fine.
A very large minority are uniformed, Badged & Armed Thugs. That’s Not Fine.

[joswift]

Some cops are Fine.
A very large minority are uniformed, Badged & Armed Thugs. That’s Not Fine.

Problems with cops started when they dropped the height restriction and started recruiting people who were bullied at school.

[illuminati]

Problems with cops started when they dropped the height restriction and started recruiting people who were bullied at school.

Yes that & Police are very Weakly Policed. That allowed many to get out of Control & be Untouchable.

[mphgrove]

Problems with cops started when they dropped the height restriction and started recruiting people who were bullied at school.

There need to be clear standards for job performance and the bad ones need to be weeded out, but if you expect them to be paragons of perfection, then you better raise the salaries to get enough of those paragons of perfection to show up for the job. They cannot be expected to be super-heroes, they are everyday people like the rest of us. We need enough good people to want to do it for a living. Part of that is the broader society showing respect for the profession.

[OlympiaGym]

There needs to be an attitude change among the police. “The Blue Wall of Silence” is a testament to why things have got to this point and why they need to change. A slice of humble pie for most cops is definitely in order. The policy that most cops won’t condemn bad or corrupt cops because of their “us against them attitude” has to change. It puts the good cops in a terrible position.

[OlympiaGym]

There need to be clear standards for job performance and the bad ones need to be weeded out, but if you expect them to be paragons of perfection, then you better raise the salaries to get enough of those paragons of perfection to show up for the job. They cannot be expected to be super-heroes, they are everyday people like the rest of us. We need enough good people to want to do it for a living. Part of that is the broader society showing respect for the profession.

The pay and benefits are quite decent in most jurisdictions. If you want higher pay and opportunity no government work will ever satisfy you.

[Army of One]

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[joswift]

There need to be clear standards for job performance and the bad ones need to be weeded out, but if you expect them to be paragons of perfection, then you better raise the salaries to get enough of those paragons of perfection to show up for the job. They cannot be expected to be super-heroes, they are everyday people like the rest of us. We need enough good people to want to do it for a living. Part of that is the broader society showing respect for the profession.

I earn double the starting salary for a cop, its embarrassing..

[SF1900]

The pay and benefits are quite decent in most jurisdictions. If you want higher pay and opportunity no government work will ever satisfy you.

Police in Suffolk and Long Island NY make good money.

“Police officers in Suffolk County topped the list, making $162,000 annually. Cops in Westchester and Nassau counties were right behind, bringing home $149,000 and $137,000, respectively.”

[f450]

I’m no cop lover - only they’re a necessary in society especially for the weak & vulnerable.
What I will say is many cops & their bosses have brought this hate & distrust upon themselves by
Not dealing Hard & Properly with many rogue cops & continually letting them off from Brutality/
Rapes/ Thefts to Murder.
No doubt there’s many a good cop out there - only they all stood silent while the bad ones did as they wanted - They’re complicit by their silence.

^^
THIS

[Skeletor]

I’m no cop lover - only they’re a necessary in society especially for the weak & vulnerable.
What I will say is many cops & their bosses have brought this hate & distrust upon themselves by
Not dealing Hard & Properly with many rogue cops & continually letting them off from Brutality/
Rapes/ Thefts to Murder.
No doubt there’s many a good cop out there - only they all stood silent while the bad ones did as they wanted - They’re complicit by their silence.

I concur.

[SOMEPARTS]

The demilitarization of the police, elimination of unnecessary and punitive drug laws, and general scaling back of the police state, should be welcomed by conservatives and liberals alike.

Sounds great....could liberals stop being criminals then?

[SOMEPARTS]

They are sending a silent message.  The entire police force is being disrespected and vilified by their own city officials.  No support from their police chiefs either.  The whole thing is quite nefarious.  These police should've have to put up with this.

This is regime change the same way Obama purged all the of the top military brass. If you believe in upholding the Constitution you are out by any means possible.

[mphgrove]

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There is no doubt that it is a tough job and these job satisfaction numbers tell a compelling story. Doctors face horrible, sad situations and negative outcomes but I would wager most would say they would like their own children to select their profession. For those who have done a stint as a teacher in a rough, unban school district, multiply the complexity by about three times to gauge what police officers in those communities face. The difficulty of that job needs to be respected.

That said, those police officers need to DO THAT JOB. Leisurely absence of response when citizens are in danger or all of the officers calling in sick at the same time or abandoning their districts at taxpayer expense is inexcusable (and garners no sympathy).

[OlympiaGym]

Sounds great....could liberals stop being criminals then?

Most “liberals“ I know are wealthy. They’re hardly committing street crime. If anything, they’re white-collar criminals ... lol.

I doubt the mostly poor population who interact with the police have much in the way of political convictions.

[SOMEPARTS]

Most “liberals“ I know are wealthy. They’re hardly committing street crime. If anything, they’re white-collar criminals ... lol.

I doubt the mostly poor population who interact with the police have much in the way of political convictions.

You know some rich democrats, so that means none of the hoardes of criminal "protesters" are political? WTF kind of logic is this? Haha.

[mphgrove]

You know some rich democrats, so that means none of the hoardes of criminal "protesters" are political? WTF kind of logic is this? Haha.

Agree. It is presumptuous to say that only wealthy people have political opinions.