Straight from a Philly Cop - Morale is low - Disdain for the Chief

[Walter Sobchak]

There needs to be an attitude change among the police. “The Blue Wall of Silence” is a testament to why things have got to this point and why they need to change. A slice of humble pie for most cops is definitely in order. The policy that most cops won’t condemn bad or corrupt cops because of their “us against them attitude” has to change. It puts the good cops in a terrible position.

So the Blue Wall of Silence is bad?

Yet in Chicago a 20-month old was shot and killed last week, and although the entire neighborhood knows who the shooter was, not one person will speak out.

It’s easy to criticize the police until you see the absolute shit urban jungles they have to uphold the law in. All the while being despised by the very people demanding protection

[OlympiaGym]

You know some rich democrats, so that means none of the hoardes of criminal "protesters" are political? WTF kind of logic is this? Haha.

You’re conflating protesters and criminals. Are you saying no one has the right to peacefully protest?

[joswift]

You’re conflating protesters and criminals. Are you saying no one has the right to peacefully protest?

everyone has a right to protest, but no one has the right to cause that protest to impose on someone else's right of free movement and opinion

Your rights end where another persons begins.

[illuminati]

There needs to be an attitude change among the police. “The Blue Wall of Silence” is a testament to why things have got to this point and why they need to change. A slice of humble pie for most cops is definitely in order. The policy that most cops won’t condemn bad or corrupt cops because of their “us against them attitude” has to change. It puts the good cops in a terrible position.

Exactly there does need to be an attitude change amongst them.

So the Blue Wall of Silence is bad?

Yet in Chicago a 20-month old was shot and killed last week, and although the entire neighborhood knows who the shooter was, not one person will speak out.

It’s easy to criticize the police until you see the absolute shit urban jungles they have to uphold the law in. All the while being despised by the very people demanding protection

Yes the Blue wall of silence is Very Bad.
Why would they wish to emulate the wall of Silence from Scumbag Community??
The sad loss of life of that young child & the silence surrounding it is Awful & let
The Scumbags Die & Kill one & other, as terrible as that might be - They don’t want Help
So don’t give it to them.
And Cops wish to behave in a similar manner 🙄

[OlympiaGym]

everyone has a right to protest, but no one has the right to cause that protest to impose on someone else's right of free movement and opinion

Your rights end where another persons begins.

I’ve witnessed a lot of the protests In my area firsthand. The reality is often much different than what you see in snippets on the internet designed to inflame people one way or another. I’m not saying you’re one of them but a lot of dudes on GB need to push away their keyboard or put their phone down and get out a little more.

[Walter Sobchak]

Exactly there does need to be an attitude change amongst them.


Yes the Blue wall of silence is Very Bad.
Why would they wish to emulate the wall of Silence from Scumbag Community??
The sad loss of life of that young child & the silence surrounding it is Awful & let
The Scumbags Die & Kill one & other, as terrible as that might be - They don’t want Help
So don’t give it to them.
And Cops wish to behave in a similar manner 🙄

My guess would be the current drivers behind the Blue Wall of Silence are crooked politicians, overzealous prosecutors, a biased and politically motivated media, and a few bad apples in the police force.

But let’s not pretend. President Donald Trump was swinging a significant block of black voters his way, so this excusing of the BLM riots, discussion of reparations, defunding the police, ignoring of record black employment rates, and letting black communities run wild is a plan put in place by the Democrats and MSM to try to regain the lost black vote.

[illuminati]

My guess would be the current drivers behind the Blue Wall of Silence are crooked politicians, overzealous prosecutors, a biased and politically motivated media, and a few bad apples in the police force.

But let’s not pretend. President Donald Trump was swinging a significant block of black voters his way, so this excusing of the BLM riots, discussion of reparations, defunding the police, ignoring of record black employment rates, and letting black communities run wild is a plan put in place by the Democrats and MSM to try to regain the lost black vote.

Now this is a completely different subject.
Yes clearly Donald had made big strides in the Decent Black folk communities
And the Corrupt Libturds had lost a lot of their black vote.
The blm/ MSM / Libturds cleary don’t want to lose that block of votes
Hence as you say what we are seeing going on now.
I hope that block of decent black voters realise what Donald has done for them
And see through the despicable dirty tricks of MSM / DirtyCraps.

[Walter Sobchak]

Now this is a completely different subject.
Yes clearly Donald had made big strides in the Decent Black folk communities
And the Corrupt Libturds had lost a lot of their black vote.
The blm/ MSM / Libturds cleary don’t want to lose that block of votes
Hence as you say what we are seeing going on now.
I hope that block of decent black voters realise what Donald has done for them
And see through the despicable dirty tricks of MSM / DirtyCraps.

Do you really think the NY Governor and NYC Mayor would tell the police to stand back and allow trendy, expensive Manhattan boutique stores to be robbed and ransacked by black rioters if they weren’t kowtowing for black votes?

Come on...you don’t have to be “woke” to figure out why Democrats are kissing black ass right now. This disgusting display is so obvious a blatant attempt at capturing the black and college age brainwashed liberal vote.

[mphgrove]

The Blue Wall of Silence is a management issue. How many doctors have gone to the hospital administrator and said “my colleague has been coming to work drunk?” How many teachers have told the principal “that teacher in the room next to me isn’t teaching the students anything?” But an effective principal or hospital administrator knows how to be on top of this.

The only job tougher than being a cop on the beat is being an effective police chief. In Chicago, which has just about the highest large city murder rate in the US, the former Dallas police chief, who lost several officers to terrorist assassination in Dallas, has come out of retirement to try to help Chicago out. Who knows whether he will have any luck. But the guy certainly has skills and will give it a try. But he won’t be able to do much if he loses the trust of his rank and file.

[mphgrove]

Do you really think the NY Governor and NYC Mayor would tell the police to stand back and allow trendy, expensive Manhattan boutique stores to be robbed and ransacked by black rioters if they weren’t kowtowing for black votes?

Come on...you don’t have to be “woke” to figure out why Democrats are kissing black ass right now. This disgusting display is so obvious a blatant attempt at capturing the black and college age brainwashed liberal vote.

Liberals are 100 percent brainwashed but conservatives have come to 100 percent of their views through logical, rational deduction? There have always been liberals and conservatives and this is not the first time in history they have seen the world very differently.

[Dave D]

Nonsense...Cops are regular Men and  Women trying to do a dangerous, difficult job and dealing with the scum of society on a daily basis. People complaining about cops are almost always from high crime groups (blacks) or  people who have an arrest record.  It's  normal to resent someone who puts you in jail.

Sure. Im just going off of what is posted by members here.

I know many good cops. Ive known a few who abused their power. 

Reform isnt bad. Private companies always look at what they can do to improve, the public sector can do the same.

[Walter Sobchak]

Liberals are 100 percent brainwashed but conservatives have come to 100 percent of their views through logical, rational deduction? There have always been liberals and conservatives and this is not the first time in history they have seen the world very differently.

What is going on in the United States right now with attempted political coups, unrestricted rioting, an open attack on the police and military, reaction to a pandemic as a political ploy, and the push for anarchy by the media to unseat a President is going on for the first time in U.S. history.

To insinuate that the sheer stupidity and insanity going on across the country right now are because of Republicans is a blatant lie.

[oldgolds]

^^
THIS

Complete bullshit....Statistics show tiny numbers of Blacks killed by cops. Last year only 10 and 6 of them attacked officers. Many more whites killed by cops even though blacks account for roughly 50% of the crime. There are 34,000 arrests every day in the US and no reasonable person would expect zero screwups...We have the best cops and best justice system in the world. This whole BLM movement is simply a deflection from the huge, huge black crime rate.

[SOMEPARTS]

Liberals are 100 percent brainwashed but conservatives have come to 100 percent of their views through logical, rational deduction? There have always been liberals and conservatives and this is not the first time in history they have seen the world very differently.

This is the first time the socialist/communist movement within the mainstream dem party has shown itself...in a very violent form to boot due to the power vacuum in the party.

[Tapeworm]

Is this a big deal?

 I’ve read countless times on here that cops were losers and bullied in high school and they became police men because of that rejection.

Now people are demanding police reform and suddenly the Getbig collective is against that idea?

I know everyone here is heavily loaded with guns and ammunition and we are all ready to die to defend our rights and property so how will this really become a bad thing for a typical Getbigger?

We can wipe out the scum we come in contact with without any resistance, why complain?

Tbe compaint was that they weren't doing their job right. Now they're shitty and being lackadaisical. The complaint remains that they're not doing their job right.

You have to do your job right. So do I. If someone says I'm plastering badly and need to do better, should I keep charging him the same money but reduce my production to just one wall a day? That's just being a difficult asshole. I should just do my job well.

It's not a question of balancing over vs under policing. Just don't behave like an authori-tay dick to everyone for no reason at all. Also don't ignore calls. Just do the fucking job. If you're incapable of that then go away and get a different job.

[Mr Anabolic]

Update: 

I have not heard any police sirens for 3 days.  That is very unusual for around here, especially after dark.  I live in between 3 major avenues and 1 large boulevard.  A police district is less than 3 blocks away.   

[Dave D]

Tbe compaint was that they weren't doing their job right. Now they're shitty and being lackadaisical. The complaint remains that they're not doing their job right.

You have to do your job right. So do I. If someone says I'm plastering badly and need to do better, should I keep charging him the same money but reduce my production to just one wall a day? That's just being a difficult asshole. I should just do my job well.

It's not a question of balancing over vs under policing. Just don't behave like an authori-tay dick to everyone for no reason at all. Also don't ignore calls. Just do the fucking job. If you're incapable of that then go away and get a different job.

Ok. And to my point is this a big deal?

If this leads to cops doing their job correctly  we all win.
If all the riots and protests brings about reform that is one positive out of this situation.

[mphgrove]

This is the first time the socialist/communist movement within the mainstream dem party has shown itself...in a very violent form to boot due to the power vacuum in the party.

You call it a power vacuum. I call it a silent majority. Trump supporters have referred to themselves as the silent majority, but they are loud and not the least bit silent these days. Yes, there are a huge number of crazies in the Democratic Party but there are huge numbers of silent people out there who keep their mouths shut when their Trump friends rant and rave. But mark my words. They are likely to put Biden in the White House in a few months.

[SF1900]

Cops need to fix the culture of silence where good cops are vilified for taking out against bad cops.

[Tapeworm]

Ok. And to my point is this a big deal?

If this leads to cops doing their job correctly  we all win.
If all the riots and protests brings about reform that is one positive out of this situation.

Ah, right on. My bad. I thought you meant a police strike was justified. Seems you're not one of these internet heroes ready to play Rambo who thinks the cops ought to stand down to teach the country a lesson. These people's wives, mothers, sisters, and daughters are apparently all in the bunker already.

[SOMEPARTS]

You call it a power vacuum. I call it a silent majority. Trump supporters have referred to themselves as the silent majority, but they are loud and not the least bit silent these days. Yes, there are a huge number of crazies in the Democratic Party but there are huge numbers of silent people out there who keep their mouths shut when their Trump friends rant and rave. But mark my words. They are likely to put Biden in the White House in a few months.

Hahaha, no. Liberals are much louder trying to assure each other they aren't total loons. The dem party has been taken over...if there is any silence it's shock from former moderates that have no place in the party now. Anybody okay with Biden being president is a fool anyway. LOOK. AT. THE. GUY.

[oldgolds]

Cops need to fix the culture of silence where good cops are vilified for taking out against bad cops.

The worst culture of silence is when 100 black people see someone shot and no one will talk to the police.....Snitches get stitches?
No, blacks  get what they deserve....
Why try to help them and solve a murder when they won't even help themselves?
Screw em'...Let em'rot in their shithole neighborhoods until they grow up...

[mphgrove]

Hahaha, no. Liberals are much louder trying to assure each other they aren't total loons. The dem party has been taken over...if there is any silence it's shock from former moderates that have no place in the party now. Anybody okay with Biden being president is a fool anyway. LOOK. AT. THE. GUY.

Call me a fool, there are a few other fools too, believe me.

[illuminati]

The worst culture of silence is when 100 black people see someone shot and no one will talk to the police.....Snitches get stitches?
No, blacks  get what they deserve....
Why try to help them and solve a murder when they won't even help themselves?
Screw em'...Let em'rot in their shithole neighborhoods until they grow up...

X2  well stated.

[Agnostic007]

Exactly there does need to be an attitude change amongst them.


Yes the Blue wall of silence is Very Bad.
Why would they wish to emulate the wall of Silence from Scumbag Community??
The sad loss of life of that young child & the silence surrounding it is Awful & let
The Scumbags Die & Kill one & other, as terrible as that might be - They don’t want Help
So don’t give it to them.
And Cops wish to behave in a similar manner 🙄

I would add that he is also comparing apples to oranges. The average citizen while under a moral obligation (certainly philosophically debatable) to act in a particular way that doesn't break the law (Not coming forward as a witness to a crime is not against the law unless special circumstances ) Cops have sworn an oath and are paid to have the citizens best interest at heart. Not coming forward when illegal or inappropriate is observed is likely certainly against one or several department policies and erodes the trust of the community.


Having said that, I do strongly believe that black leaders of the nation and of their communities need to start calling out people for not stepping forward and helping to rid their neighborhoods of the blight some of their fellow neighbors bring.