Yates secret to a big back

[MAXX]

other than genetics

[Deacon Jeschin]

[Deacon Jeschin]

[Deacon Jeschin]

[oldtimer1]

Yates was one of the most intelligent trainers.

[Marty Champions]

Doing bent over rows with knees locked out for 20 to 25 reps is the key to developing back and hamstrings all in one set.

[SGT BARNES]

"secrets"....imagine if you made a nickel for every time a bodybuilding "secret" has been mentioned

[oldtimer1]

"secrets"....imagine if you made a nickel for every time a bodybuilding "secret" has been mentioned

The only secret is the amount of drugs they take in the form of pills and syringes. I wonder if they would have any training secrets if they were completely clean?  Everyone is a training expert juiced to the gills.

[harmankardon1]

Yates was one of the most intelligent trainers.

This must be a joke? He tore up his whole body and was forced to retire.....?

[pellius]

This must be a joke? He tore up his whole body and was forced to retire.....?

He tore his left bicep and left tricep. And even then he still competed and won.

Why do people feel the need to grossly exaggerate something that is easily verifiable? "He tore up his whole body..." Oh brother. 

[galain]

Has living in Spain affected his English accent that much or is he speaking that way because the guy he's speaking to is brown?

I've been in Germany for 11 years and I still sound like an Aussie.

[Matt]

Yates was one of the most intelligent trainers.

He definitely did what it took for him to win, and he said himself that he couldn't put another ounce into his training.  So he has no regrets because he literally couldn't pull any more work ethic out of himself.

He seems to be doing well.  I hope he's around for another 20 years or more.  He's still pretty big by normal people standards, so I hope if he did get a health scare that he would reduce his body weight even more than his current size.

[pellius]

Too bad so many gyms, like mine, don't have the Nautilus Pullover or a reasonable facsimile. It's proven to be not very popular so gyms don't want to waste the space. The problem is that most everybody does it wrong. They not only lean forward like they are doing ab crunches but worse they pull with their hands and not drive back with their elbow and then arching your back while lifting your chest. It's very tempting to pull down with your hands even when you know you are suppose to drive back with your elbows. That's why I wouldn't bother to grab the bar with my hands and just make a relax fist while free floating the hands. That way only the elbows are making contact with the pad forcing your lats to do all the work.

This was the first Nautilus machine that Jones developed and there was a lot of trial and error involved. Pure genius.

[harmankardon1]

He tore his left bicep and left tricep. And even then he still competed and won.

Why do people feel the need to grossly exaggerate something that is easily verifiable? "He tore up his whole body..." Oh brother. 

He tore the bicep literally in half... You know how rare and serious an injury that is?

He also totally detached the tricep and severely tore the bicep again....

He has stated that the injuries he sustained in 97 were so severe that he was unable to ever train properly again. Career ending injuries.....

But yeah pellius it was no biggie, just a run of the mill bicep tear 

[_bruce_]

He didn't take no for an answer - he may be one of the very few people who, in their genre, deserve the term "warrior".
Dorian did very well and most likely lives a rather good life abroad.... like many other old Brits 

[Royalty]

This must be a joke? He tore up his whole body and was forced to retire.....?

I think that he would’ve been ok if he had surgery to repair the bicep and tricep tears. I don’t think that he had a surgery performed after either injury.

[escrima]

other than genetics

he is correct pre-exhaust is very over looked by to days trainers. not something i would do every workout but it does give your muscles another stimulus.

[pellius]

He tore the bicep literally in half... You know how rare and serious an injury that is?

He also totally detached the tricep and severely tore the bicep again....

He has stated that the injuries he sustained in 97 were so severe that he was unable to ever train properly again. Career ending injuries.....

But yeah pellius it was no biggie, just a run of the mill bicep tear 

I guess I have to repeat myself since you have obviously missed the point. Yes, he did tear his bicep and tricep. Yet he still won the O. Every athlete modifies their training due to injuries which is why he stopped doing barbell squats in the late 80s. I never said it was "no biggie" but he didn't "tore up his whole body." He's quite active and healthy for a guy nearing 60 years old or any age for that matter. You make him sound like a cripple. That's Ronnie.

[oldtimer1]

This must be a joke? He tore up his whole body and was forced to retire.....?

Regarding training protocol he was right on target. Yes, he tore up his body but the drugs he took exceeded the strength of the attachments. He ripped a tricep tendon, bicep tendon, and damaged his hip.  Bet if he trained the same exact way natural the odds of him damaging his body would have been way down.

I'm a natural and just by training for decades have caused a lot of damage.  Right now battling a partially torn Achilles and torn rotator cuff. Then again I'm an guy in my sixties that trains like I'm 25. 

[joswift]

Regarding training protocol he was right on target. Yes, he tore up his body but the drugs he took exceeded the strength of the attachments. He ripped a tricep tendon, bicep tendon, and damaged his hip.  Bet if he trained the same exact way natural the odds of him damaging his body would have been way down.

I'm a natural and just by training for decades have caused a lot of damage.  Right now battling a partially torn Achilles and torn rotator cuff. Then again I'm an guy in my sixties that trains like I'm 25.

lifting huge weights when depleted and in a calorific deficit is pretty pointless and dangerous, once you start getting into a catabolic state you may as well just do moderate weight workouts to maintain the off season tissue, training at 100% isnt going to make you gain any significant tissue but is clearly going to leave you wide open to injury

[Van_Bilderass]

This must be a joke? He tore up his whole body and was forced to retire.....?

In that sense yes, but it could be the best muscle building approach while being the riskiest. Many admit it but accept the risk. These guys also think there is some extra magick to that extra excertion mentally which somehow will make people giving credit for all out effort. I agree, if I were a bb I'd probably appreciate it more if it were very hard. Removing mental blocks.

Dorian said in retrospect he made mistakes, even knew it back then but he the idea of feeling on imposing his will on a very heavy object was something important.


That's why people loved his video. Something to shoot for .

[pellius]

In that sense yes, but it could be the best muscle building approach while being the riskiest. Many admit it but accept the risk. These guys also think there is some extra magick to that extra excertion mentally which somehow will make people giving credit for all out effort. I agree, if I were a bb I'd probably appreciate it more if it were very hard. Removing mental blocks.

Dorian said in retrospect he made mistakes, even knew it back then but he the idea of feeling on imposing his will on a very heavy object was something important.


That's why people loved his video. Something to shoot for .

He still stands by his training philosophy but the mistake he admits to, as already mentioned, was to continue to train that way while depleted.

[Humble Narcissist]

He's absolutely right about training the muscle not the weight and pre exhaust.

[escrima]

He's absolutely right about training the muscle not the weight and pre exhaust.

would just not use pre exhaust every time but yeah if you can get the job done using this then do it. However yates did not build that mass with light weight baby...but then again he´s not in the shape of Big Ron bless him. therefore one can conclude he did the right thing at that time...for him at least

[Marty Champions]

Dorian should just stfu