Retrieved Crashed Saucers - not from man - NYT article is coming on

[Griffith]

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2020/5/8/21244090/pentagon-ufo-report-navy-alexander-wendt

Very interesting article!

Some excerpts:

Alexander Wendt is a professor of international relations at Ohio State University.

Sean Illing
Why would aliens conceal their existence? I know you have theories on this —

Alexander Wendt
It’s possible they’ve been here all along. And that’s something that I’ve been thinking about lately, which is a bit unsettling. Because it means it’s their planet and not ours. They could just be intergalactic tourists. Maybe they’re looking for certain minerals. It could just be scientific curiosity. It could be that they’re extracting our DNA. I mean, who knows? I have no idea. All I know is that if they are here, they seem to be peaceful.

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Sean Illing
You’ve thought about this a lot, Alex. You must have a hunch as to which of those scenarios is most likely.

Alexander Wendt
I think if they are here, they’ve probably been here a very long time — that’s my guess. And, look, there are medieval woodcuts that seem to show UFOs. There are UFO stories in the Bible, apparently, or at least stories that are interpreted that way. So I think they’ve probably been here a long time if they’re here.

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Sean Illing
Is this some kind of conspiracy of silence? How does a taboo like this take hold in the first place?

Alexander Wendt
We argued in our 2008 academic paper that the modern state is what we call anthropocentric. Basically, that means human beings are sovereigns. In ancient times, it was the gods or nature that was thought to rule over everything. Now it’s human beings. And this principle is embodied in the state. And if you call that into question, if you call into question that the state is not the only potential sovereign here, the whole legitimacy of the state is called into question. So the whole worldview of the modern state is very vulnerable to the UFO question. You can’t even ask the question because it raises the possibility that there could be ETs here. And that would just blow everything wide open.

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Sean Illing
Why should scientists care about UFOs? Why should philosophers care? Why should anyone care?

Alexander Wendt
Because if ETs were discovered, it would be the most important event in human history.

Sean Illing
Why?

Alexander Wendt
If it became known, it could be a very dangerous event in the sense that we might see a collapse of state authority. We might see chaos. The possibility of contact with a civilization that has vastly more knowledge than we do is exciting and terrifying and unpredictable.

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Sean Illing
If some of these UFOs are the products of alien life, why haven’t they made their presence more explicit? If they wanted to remain undetected, they could, and yet they continually expose themselves in these semi-clandestine ways. Why?

Alexander Wendt
That’s a very good question. Because you’re right, I think if they wanted to be completely secretive, they could. If they wanted to come out in the open, they could do that, too. My guess is that they have had a lot of experience with this in the past with civilizations at our stage. And they probably know that if they land on the White House lawn, there’ll be chaos and social breakdown. People will start shooting at them.

So I think what they’re doing is trying to get us used to the idea that they’re here with the hopes that we’ll figure it out ourselves, that we’ll go beyond the taboo and do the science. And then maybe we can absorb the knowledge that we’re not alone and our society won’t implode when we finally do have contact. That’s my theory, but who knows, right?

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Alexander Wendt
For governments, there’s no real upside to talking about this. They can’t control this. If there are ETs, they don’t have the power to do anything about it. They’re helpless in the face of ETs. And there’s a big downside risk of social chaos, loss of authority, loss of control and all that. So I think governments have lots of reasons to let a sleeping dog lie, which is why the Navy’s thing is so surprising in a way.

Sean Illing
Maybe several governments already know of ETs and aren’t revealing that knowledge for all the reasons you suggest.

Alexander Wendt
I’m a strong disbeliever in any kind of conspiracy argument. I don’t think there has ever been a conspiracy to cover up the truth that we know that aliens are here. At most, we’ve covered up the fact that we have no idea what’s going on.

[Army of One]

[Humble Narcissist]

The Westall ufo from Australia, craft landed and was witnessed by hundreds of students, teachers and locals.Arguably the most fascinating ufo encounter.Great video too, the editing is amazing by the uploader.

Notice how in 1966 all the witnesses said the craft turned on its side then shot off, the same as Bob Lazar said in the 80s AND the same as the recently released Navy video where the craft rotates on to its side.

That Australian case was most certainly a military aircraft test.

[Army of One]

That Australian case was most certainly a military aircraft test.

If it was, it was from technology that was not founded by the current human race on earth.The fact they all said it rotated and shot off is too conclusive in my eyes.

[Griffith]

Notice how in 1966 all the witnesses said the craft turned on its side then shot off, the same as Bob Lazar said in the 80s AND the same as the recently released Navy video where the craft rotates on to its side.

So according to Lazar the 'propulsion system is a gravity propulsion system and the power source is an anti-matter reactor'. It uses 'gravity amplifiers' and flies with 'bottom forwards'. Also believes the recently de-classified videos shows such a craft or similar.

In another video he says the craft did not have a bathroom and the control system used a hand print panel which would apparently would rely on thought to control the craft.

[Humble Narcissist]

If it was, it was from technology that was not founded by the current human race on earth.The fact they all said it rotated and shot off is too conclusive in my eyes.

It totally could have been created by the current human race.  We don't know all they have available.  The fact that the military was there that quickly lets you know it was a test.  If a space craft of aliens came out of nowhere and appeared above that school it would have taken hours for military jeeps and personnel to get there.  I feel for the girl that went crazy from seeing that and being taken away to lose her childhood.

[Army of One]

It totally could have been created by the current human race.  We don't know all they have available.  The fact that the military was there that quickly lets you know it was a test.  If a space craft of aliens came out of nowhere and appeared above that school it would have taken hours for military jeeps and personnel to get there.  I feel for the girl that went crazy from seeing that and being taken away to lose her childhood.

In 1966?Not possible.Not unless it was tech given to us.

[Humble Narcissist]

In 1966?Not possible.Not unless it was tech given to us.

How could you possibly know that?  We have film of the saucer the Nazis were testing in the 1940's.

[Teutonic Knight 1]

How could you possibly know that?  We have film of the saucer the Nazis were testing in the 1940's.

Not 'saucer', Die Glocke & is from the 1936 !.

Now, UFO jerks who don't speak German or read old Gothic a "experts" on Deutsche technology !.

[Dave D]

How could you possibly know that?  We have film of the saucer the Nazis were testing in the 1940's.

You honestly think Mankind had technology that could create spaceships in the 1960s when the best computer available was the size of a living room and had the computing skills of a TI 82?

[Skylge]

Really  , nobody in Africa,China,India,Latino America,Australia,Japan,Russia,.... read that paper !.

OBW, why is call New York Toilet Times ?.

Like it or not, the NYT is read by people who actually matter: for instance Western and Chinese, Russian, Indian, Japanese diplomats, politicians and business leaders.

Nobody cares what some ghetto dude is reading. If someone like that can read at all

[Skylge]

Cliff notes from interview:

Part I

- Time travel, according to the Pentagon is real, but only in a viewing sense from inside a craft
- UFO engines work by folding time, the 'fabric' of time
- There is a proxy war being waged on Earth between different alien races for resources
- Alien bodies have been recovered, several times in various crashes

- Some of the alien races look very human, 'like you and I'.
- The 'greys' are possibly androids, like clones, like an AI to travel through space
- Believed they could have a transmitter in their head and can send images of what they see
- They have the ability to control thoughts, control body and are what we have called 'demons' in Biblical texts

- Aliens have a connection to Atlantis
- Very advanced group that left after catastrophe and 'hung around' in a small outpost here and throughout time would push civilisation forwards, are who the Greek gods were.

- Roswell wreckage had ancient Greek writing
- The Roswell 'I-beam'
- The words in ancient Greek were: 'Elephtheria' which means 'freedom'

- When Tom spoke to a Pentagon official he was told: 'I didn't read much science fiction as a kid but I read a lot of Greek mythology...'
- They asked him to insert a specific section from Greek mythology in his book 'Sekret Machines'

- Believed that as Sumerians wrote, an advanced race, 'Nephelim', aliens, also mentioned in Genesis, 'messed around with genetics'
- The Sumerians had a detailed model of the Solar System, all the planets including Pluto which was only 'discovered' in 1930

- His job, with the Pentagon, is to release information to the public in 'controlled chunks', as they apparently did not know how to release some information, including technology, to the public without possibly causing panic or freaking people out because not everything is 'hunky dory'....

- Cannot disclose everything but could 'affect the fate of the human race' though not existential, 'but things to worry about'

- Tom says: 'I think there are elements of this subject which are disturbing and I don't think people should know all that shit.'

(To be continued)

Thanks for the post!
If only part of this is true, it will be the scoop of the century.

Quite remarkable how many people and media sort of dissmissed the navy F18 videos: to my knowledge it was the first officially released footage of craft (drones presumably) that were not made by people.
I'm curious who made them and what such drones are doing here?

Proxy conflict for resources? What can be found on earth that is difficult to get elsewhere in the galaxy?

In case of a crashed drone or parts of it have been found: Reverse engineering might not work:
suppose and Indian in the Amazon rainforest sees a Brazilian air force jet fighter flying past. He will probably be stunned and scared.

Then he hears a lound smash about 150 yards away. One of the aim 9 sidewinders has fallen off and miraculously fell into water / mud and was unscathed.
The Indian is joined by other tribe memebers and they recover the missile.
Now they can reverse engineer it so they too will have air to air missiles!   

Point: if the non human tech is too far ahead of ours, how is reverse engineering going to work?

 

[Teutonic Knight 1]

Like it or not, the NYT is read by people who actually matter: for instance Western and Chinese, Russian, Indian, Japanese diplomats, politicians and business leaders.

Nobody cares what some ghetto dude is reading. If someone like that can read at all

Nobody in St.Petersburg, Delhi,Singapore,Kyoto,Madrid or Sydney give a fuck about the NY Toilet Times !.

[Vince B]

In 1966?Not possible.Not unless it was tech given to us.

It amazes me that you have become an expert who can decide these difficult questions.

You so want to believe that shit that your brain is incapable of discerning the truth. The raw truth is:

There is No hard evidence for ET anything. Period.

[Methyl m1ke]

'National security risk': Rubio seeks declassification of UFO secrets

"We have things flying over our military bases and places where we’re conducting military exercises, and we don’t know what it is, and it isn’t ours. So, that’s a legitimate question to ask,"

“I would say that, frankly, that if it’s something outside this planet, that might actually be better than the fact that we’ve seen some technological leap on behalf of the Chinese or the Russians or some other adversary that allows them to conduct this sort of activity.”

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/national-security-risk-rubio-seeks-declassification-of-ufo-secrets

Ok first of all if china or russia developed new technology that allowed them to fly spacecraft wherever the fuck they wanted and we couldnt stop them the next thing they would do is strategically nuke the fuck out of our defenses. All the top nations keep a close eye on one another the US is probably still best because we spend by FAR the most but nobody is leap frogging anybody anytime soon

#2 if aliens from outer space are flying saucer shaped aircraft all over the fucking place i say good leave them the fuck alone. In fact, leave piles of gold wherever the ufos are seen and then go back to LEAVING THEM BE.

What are we going to do invite them to a baseball game? Well that might actually be cool. Our military however would never let any such thing happen. Its doubtful they need anything from us (except most likely gold) so if we are observing them doing whatever they feel like doing and we are still alive to marvel at it I say good. Aliens are ok. Give them gold and be happy.

Thats my opinion anyway.

I guess the salient question really is this- are we really observing flying saucers from distant galaxies? I doubt we will know for sure until actual life forms (not human of course) tap us on the shoulder and say "" im not sure what they will say. U get my point? ____(ufos will never convince anyone of anything we need actual contact before the idea can become reality. Basically.)

Im kind of assuming these ufo sightings are probably motivated by money insanity stupidity poor vision and some combination of the above.

[Methyl m1ke]

Proxy conflict for resources? What can be found on earth that is difficult to get elsewhere in the galaxy?

Obviously gold rubenstein. Gold is not made on or in this planet, in fact it predates our entire solar system. Dont bother asking me to prove what i just wrote you will only embarrass yourself further. Now think for a moment the implications. Gold-not from this planet. Why do humans give a damn about it? Its insanely valuable and desirable why? Cant eat it cant fuck it cant talk to it. Yet going back to probably the beginning of recorded history its the #1 thing humans want?

Humans were seeded on earth to mine gold. I said that 12 years ago on another forum and it gets truer every time i say it.

Provide a logical counter argument if you can.

[Griffith]

Thanks for the post!
If only part of this is true, it will be the scoop of the century.

Quite remarkable how many people and media sort of dissmissed the navy F18 videos: to my knowledge it was the first officially released footage of craft (drones presumably) that were not made by people.
I'm curious who made them and what such drones are doing here?

Proxy conflict for resources? What can be found on earth that is difficult to get elsewhere in the galaxy?

In case of a crashed drone or parts of it have been found: Reverse engineering might not work:
suppose and Indian in the Amazon rainforest sees a Brazilian air force jet fighter flying past. He will probably be stunned and scared.

Then he hears a lound smash about 150 yards away. One of the aim 9 sidewinders has fallen off and miraculously fell into water / mud and was unscathed.
The Indian is joined by other tribe memebers and they recover the missile.
Now they can reverse engineer it so they too will have air to air missiles!   

Point: if the non human tech is too far ahead of ours, how is reverse engineering going to work?

No prob.

Regarding resources, Earth could have some unique or rare mineral resources. The Sumerian texts claimed they were mining for gold.

Or they could be harvesting DNA from humans or animals?

I'm busy watching the 'Bob Lazar: Area 51 & Flying Saucers' documentary and Lazar claims that some of the retrieved vehicles are 100 % intact, and 'operate perfectly'. There were apparently 9 of them able to be 'test flown' while others in more damaged states were taken apart.

They were trying to reverse engineer the alien spacecraft, however they could not get any of the reactors to work with earth materials, they tried plutonium but it was a 'futile attempt'. The only material which apparently works is element 15, which has since been added to the periodic table, but is not present on Earth.

I think that with 'reverse engineering', it might be more along the lines of copying some design aspects which our current technology is capable of, or of us understanding, and then incorporating those ideas into new projects. Not creating fully-fledged functioning replicas, though ideally that is probably what they would want to achieve.

Further exploration of the Solar System could probably provide new materials to produce more advanced technology.

It is interesting that the creation of the US Space Force has also coincided with the increasing disclosure.

[Methyl m1ke]

No prob.

Regarding resources, Earth could have some unique or rare mineral resources. The Sumerian texts claimed they were mining for gold.

No
Fucking
Way

[Griffith]

No
Fucking
Way

According to Zecharia Sitchin's interpretation of those texts at least.

[Army of One]

No prob.

Regarding resources, Earth could have some unique or rare mineral resources. The Sumerian texts claimed they were mining for gold.

Or they could be harvesting DNA from humans or animals?

I'm busy watching the 'Bob Lazar: Area 51 & Flying Saucers' documentary and Lazar claims that some of the retrieved vehicles are 100 % intact, and 'operate perfectly'. There were apparently 9 of them able to be 'test flown' while others in more damaged states were taken apart.

They were trying to reverse engineer the alien spacecraft, however they could not get any of the reactors to work with earth materials, they tried plutonium but it was a 'futile attempt'. The only material which apparently works is element 15, which has since been added to the periodic table, but is not present on Earth.

I think that with 'reverse engineering', it might be more along the lines of copying some design aspects which our current technology is capable of, or of us understanding, and then incorporating those ideas into new projects. Not creating fully-fledged functioning replicas, though ideally that is probably what they would want to achieve.

Further exploration of the Solar System could probably provide new materials to produce more advanced technology.

It is interesting that the creation of the US Space Force has also coincided with the increasing disclosure.

Lazar has always fascinated me.I always believed most of his story, Im very good at seeing when people are lying or trying to decieve, and I get near none of that from Lazar, even when he talks about entering the internals of the craft and examining it.I do think he fudged his educational background as to not effect his current business.The Gimbal video of the craft rotating vindicated him in many peoples eyes.

[Methyl m1ke]

According to Zecharia Sitchin's interpretation of those texts at least.

I highly recommend scrolling up oh id say 4 or 5 posts or so before this one.

 My post. Read it.

Read. Learn. Know.

All will be revealed.

[Griffith]

Obviously gold rubenstein. Gold is not made on or in this planet, in fact it predates our entire solar system. Dont bother asking me to prove what i just wrote you will only embarrass yourself further. Now think for a moment the implications. Gold-not from this planet. Why do humans give a damn about it? Its insanely valuable and desirable why? Cant eat it cant fuck it cant talk to it. Yet going back to probably the beginning of recorded history its the #1 thing humans want?

Humans were seeded on earth to mine gold. I said that 12 years ago on another forum and it gets truer every time i say it.

Provide a logical counter argument if you can.

Very interesting points!

[Methyl m1ke]

Very interesting points!

Thank you.

[Army of One]

Also I got not signs of deception when i watched the people in the Disclosure Project conference in 2001, and couldnt believe it wasnt a bigger deal at the time.

[epic is back]

Also I got not signs of deception when i watched the people in the Disclosure Project conference in 2001, and couldnt believe it wasnt a bigger deal at the time.

i wish i could say the same. i just watched this a hour or so ago after you posted. i have seen this before many times years ago. this time i finally saw it clearly, their motivations. . what was clear. they all say they'll testify to these events in front of congress. as if if that validates everything.

 why would congress want them to talk and end their very  existence? they know they wont. this is to make money, and thats all they want. yes the tech was real yes they saw things. but they got screwed and were told to shut up. they just want to say f- u and get theirs.