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Re: Retrieved Crashed Saucers - not from man - NYT article is coming on
« Reply #100 on: July 26, 2020, 03:53:58 AM »
You honestly think Mankind had technology that could create spaceships in the 1960s when the best computer available was the size of a living room and had the computing skills of a TI 82?
They claim we went to the Moon, didn't they?

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Re: Retrieved Crashed Saucers - not from man - NYT article is coming on
« Reply #101 on: July 26, 2020, 04:37:42 AM »
They claim we went to the Moon, didn't they?

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Re: Retrieved Crashed Saucers - not from man - NYT article is coming on
« Reply #102 on: July 26, 2020, 05:01:08 AM »
They claim we went to the Moon, didn't they?

The moon mission could be calculated down to each nearest mile before they even blasted off, thats a completely different ball game to these craft that would need to calculate insane computations in real time to do the things they do.You are also comparing crude nazi era experimental saucer craft, that used engine tech founded during the industrial revolution and flight using airflow under wings discovered at the start of the 20th century, to the seemingly anti gravity movements of whatever is flying around our skies making our fighter jets look like a joke.

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Re: Retrieved Crashed Saucers - not from man - NYT article is coming on
« Reply #103 on: July 26, 2020, 06:10:03 AM »
Army when is the pentagon information being released?

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Re: NYT article is coming on retrieved crashed saucers not from man
« Reply #104 on: July 26, 2020, 06:15:30 AM »
No prob.

Regarding resources, Earth could have some unique or rare mineral resources. The Sumerian texts claimed they were mining for gold.

Or they could be harvesting DNA from humans or animals?

I'm busy watching the 'Bob Lazar: Area 51 & Flying Saucers' documentary and Lazar claims that some of the retrieved vehicles are 100 % intact, and 'operate perfectly'. There were apparently 9 of them able to be 'test flown' while others in more damaged states were taken apart.

They were trying to reverse engineer the alien spacecraft, however they could not get any of the reactors to work with earth materials, they tried plutonium but it was a 'futile attempt'. The only material which apparently works is element 15, which has since been added to the periodic table, but is not present on Earth.

I think that with 'reverse engineering', it might be more along the lines of copying some design aspects which our current technology is capable of, or of us understanding, and then incorporating those ideas into new projects. Not creating fully-fledged functioning replicas, though ideally that is probably what they would want to achieve.

Further exploration of the Solar System could probably provide new materials to produce more advanced technology.

It is interesting that the creation of the US Space Force has also coincided with the increasing disclosure.

I think the chinese agression and their attempts to launch more space vehicles, combined with putin's ambitious plans were the main reason vor Space Force?
What I don't get about the non human made drones: if they needed some materials, why not leave once they were obtained, of retrieve them from earth in much larger quantities?
The drones seems to stay for months on end?

From what Lazar is stating there seem to be quite a lot of such craft that crashed or were left behind? Perhaps 15 units in total?
Why did so many crash, or were abandoned even if they were fully operational?

(And why is the USA apparently the only one to have gathered them?)

I agree with the reverse engineering: for example give the 1941 Nazis a brand new F35 and they could not replicate it.
They could however learn from it, and probably improve their existing planes / rockets


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Re: Retrieved Crashed Saucers - not from man - NYT article is coming on
« Reply #105 on: July 26, 2020, 06:24:16 AM »
What a sorry collection dunces and gullible people. Bob Lazar is guy with few qualifications and no shame. He is a pathological liar and quite pathetic. No doubt he bullshits to make money. There are no Et on earth, no flying alien saucers, just wishful thinking by broscience experts.

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« Reply #106 on: July 26, 2020, 06:31:06 AM »
The truth is that the Bible is an accurate factual accounting of our history. We have nothing to fear but those who fill us with fear. They are the enemy, they must be destroyed.

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Re: Retrieved Crashed Saucers - not from man - NYT article is coming on
« Reply #107 on: July 26, 2020, 06:34:52 AM »
What a sorry collection dunces and gullible people. Bob Lazar is guy with few qualifications and no shame. He is a pathological liar and quite pathetic. No doubt he bullshits to make money. There are no Et on earth, no flying alien saucers, just wishful thinking by broscience experts.

If it is fallacy for the members of this forum to speak in absolutes when clearly no one knows anything for certain then you too look foolish speaking with such authority.

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Re: Retrieved Crashed Saucers - not from man - NYT article is coming on
« Reply #108 on: July 26, 2020, 04:02:34 PM »
What a sorry collection dunces and gullible people. Bob Lazar is guy with few qualifications and no shame. He is a pathological liar and quite pathetic. No doubt he bullshits to make money. There are no Et on earth, no flying alien saucers, just wishful thinking by broscience experts.

This ALL DAY LONG.  They aren't going to show us shit because there's no shit to show.  Eat it up fellas.  Much ado about nothing.

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Re: Retrieved Crashed Saucers - not from man - NYT article is coming on
« Reply #109 on: July 26, 2020, 07:38:29 PM »
What a sorry collection dunces and gullible people. Bob Lazar is guy with few qualifications and no shame. He is a pathological liar and quite pathetic. No doubt he bullshits to make money. There are no Et on earth, no flying alien saucers, just wishful thinking by broscience experts.

Army of 1, should visit Australia & look for the Wandjina (cloud spirit/astronaut  ::)) & legendary musclehead Yowie !.


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Re: Retrieved Crashed Saucers - not from man - NYT article is coming on
« Reply #110 on: July 28, 2020, 05:43:26 PM »
"Numerous associates of the Pentagon program, with high security clearances and decades of involvement with official U.F.O. investigations, told us they were convinced such crashes have occurred, based on their access to classified information."

"One slide says one of the program’s tasks was to “arrange for access to data/reports/materials from crash retrievals of A.A.V.’s,” or advanced aerospace vehicles.

Our sources told us that “A.A.V.” does not refer to vehicles made in any country — not Russian or Chinese — but is used to mean technology in the realm of the truly unexplained."

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/28/insider/UFO-reporting.html

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Re: Retrieved Crashed Saucers - not from man - NYT article is coming on
« Reply #111 on: July 28, 2020, 05:48:12 PM »
There is a slide on the article, taken from Pentagon files that reads:



Advanced Aerospace Threat Identification Program - AATIP (cont.)

- Twofold nature of threat:

- *Current threat*: AAV phenomena of foreign derivation (including off-world), being globally deployed/tested, including CONUS.

- *Future threat*: Potential terrestrial adversaries achieving significant breakthroughs in the development of game-changing disruptive technologies based on evaluations of AAV phenomena from sensor data or crash/retrieved materials.

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Re: Retrieved Crashed Saucers - not from man - NYT article is coming on
« Reply #112 on: July 28, 2020, 05:50:25 PM »
"Numerous associates of the Pentagon program, with high security clearances and decades of involvement with official U.F.O. investigations, told us they were convinced such crashes have occurred, based on their access to classified information."

"One slide says one of the program’s tasks was to “arrange for access to data/reports/materials from crash retrievals of A.A.V.’s,” or advanced aerospace vehicles.

Our sources told us that “A.A.V.” does not refer to vehicles made in any country — not Russian or Chinese — but is used to mean technology in the realm of the truly unexplained."

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/28/insider/UFO-reporting.html

Still no ufo 'crashes' in Sydney,Kyoto & Kinshasa  :(

& no sale of NY Toilet Times in those pueblos ?.

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Re: Retrieved Crashed Saucers - not from man - NYT article is coming on
« Reply #113 on: July 28, 2020, 06:19:08 PM »
What a sorry collection dunces and gullible people. Bob Lazar is guy with few qualifications and no shame. He is a pathological liar and quite pathetic. No doubt he bullshits to make money. There are no Et on earth, no flying alien saucers, just wishful thinking by broscience experts.

Exactly this. Watching Lazar on the Rogan podcast stooge is having difficulties with some details...claims hes having a bit of a migraine, then proceeds to drink whiskey with joe....because that's how to tame a migraine

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Re: Retrieved Crashed Saucers - not from man - NYT article is coming on
« Reply #114 on: July 28, 2020, 06:21:31 PM »
I tend to agree with Calvin of "Calvin and Hobbes" fame.  We know there's intelligent life out there because it hasn't landed here.

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Re: Retrieved Crashed Saucers - not from man - NYT article is coming on
« Reply #115 on: July 28, 2020, 06:36:13 PM »


There must be a lot of Aliens, E.T.'s , Blobs & other space creatures on this site  ;D

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Re: Retrieved Crashed Saucers - not from man - NYT article is coming on
« Reply #116 on: July 28, 2020, 07:16:30 PM »
Guaranteed their going to say the aliens hate Trump but love Joe Biden.

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« Reply #117 on: July 28, 2020, 07:22:31 PM »
Guaranteed their going to say the aliens hate Trump but love Joe Biden.

Only the illegal ones. ;D

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Re: Retrieved Crashed Saucers - not from man - NYT article is coming on
« Reply #118 on: July 28, 2020, 07:31:32 PM »
What a sorry collection dunces and gullible people. Bob Lazar is guy with few qualifications and no shame. He is a pathological liar and quite pathetic. No doubt he bullshits to make money. There are no Et on earth, no flying alien saucers, just wishful thinking by broscience experts.

You have no clue what you're talking about but if you have proof Lazar is a pathological liar or that he "bullshits" to make money lets see it

BTW - you're the last one here who should be talking about broscience

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Re: Retrieved Crashed Saucers - not from man - NYT article is coming on
« Reply #119 on: July 29, 2020, 09:36:59 AM »
It all started with the first UFO photograph, taken by Kenneth Arnold in 1947 while he was driving,  that was misreported and if you look at the photo was clearly a blurred photograph from a car traveling one way and some objects traveling the other, so with older cameras the shutter speed,etc just blurs motion, especially at high speeds. Right after published is when everyone started seeing UFO saucers. Almost always the flying saucer, because it's now American lore so people follow the script. As the myth got more elaborate, everyone now saw the same beings, big head, greys,etc. Now everyone reports seeing those beings. Pure group think, all these guys like Richard Hoagland and Bob Lazar can explain in scientific terms all their bullshit, but in the end they have NO evidence, so they are living on the story that the government is covering it up. Guaranteed they don't have government clearance to know either way what the government is doing. Whenever you discuss actual proof UFO guys end up with the same thing; someone saw a light in the sky they can't explain.

TIME MAGAZINE
It’s credited as the first modern UFO sighting and the origin of America’s obsession with flying saucers. But it might have all been based on what The Atlantic calls “one of the most significant reporter misquotes in history.”

On this day, June 24, in 1947, an amateur pilot was on his way to an air show in Oregon when he saw a bright blue flash of light in the sky near Mount Rainier. At first he thought it was the sun glinting off another aircraft, but the only other plane around was about 15 mi. away, and not glinting. Then he saw nine more flashes of light, in quick succession — coming from what he later described as unidentified flying objects.

It was when the pilot, Kenneth Arnold, tried to describe the motion of the objects to a reporter for the United Press that the mix-up occurred. He said they flew “like a saucer if you skip it across the water.” The reporter took this to mean that the objects themselves were saucer-like, and news reports across the country repeated that Arnold had seen “flying saucers.”

Suddenly everyone was seeing what Arnold had seen, except that he hadn’t.  “By July 4, newspapers were heralding literally hundreds of reports of ‘flying saucers’ in skies across the nation.

Shortly after came the  "UFO Researchers", like George Adamski in the late 40's who sold novels and photos of the supposed crafts along with details of their space ships and the world of UFOlogy was born. Now people have abductions, grand theories that they are either here to hurt us or save us from ourselves. All concepts from the lore, such as the Twilight Zone episodes.

No one can explain how these things travel light years to get here, they just vaguely say time warp or black hole or some unproven bullshit. If these are beings, they would be of organic material and would never live long enough to get from the nearest possible star with life to Earth.. We are not being visited. Physics and Astronomy are real. They simply could not travel here in a physical craft with living beings, due to the time it would take. Without some new concept of physics and time. And we do not have that concept yet. So we have NO evidence of UFOs. In fact now that everyone has cell phones, the sighting reports and photos have gone way down, which one would think they would go up, as everyone could capture these things in HD on their phone. But we still just have those random lights in the sky.

But the myth has made a lot of people very rich in the world of Science Fiction



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Re: Retrieved Crashed Saucers - not from man - NYT article is coming on
« Reply #120 on: July 29, 2020, 10:05:26 AM »
Some people claim they are interdimensional beings that live on Earth.  These people are also usually religious and believe they are demons.

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« Reply #121 on: July 29, 2020, 12:36:58 PM »
It all started with the first UFO photograph, taken by Kenneth Arnold in 1947 while he was driving,  that was misreported and if you look at the photo was clearly a blurred photograph from a car traveling one way and some objects traveling the other, so with older cameras the shutter speed,etc just blurs motion, especially at high speeds. Right after published is when everyone started seeing UFO saucers. Almost always the flying saucer, because it's now American lore so people follow the script. As the myth got more elaborate, everyone now saw the same beings, big head, greys,etc. Now everyone reports seeing those beings. Pure group think, all these guys like Richard Hoagland and Bob Lazar can explain in scientific terms all their bullshit, but in the end they have NO evidence, so they are living on the story that the government is covering it up. Guaranteed they don't have government clearance to know either way what the government is doing. Whenever you discuss actual proof UFO guys end up with the same thing; someone saw a light in the sky they can't explain.

TIME MAGAZINE
It’s credited as the first modern UFO sighting and the origin of America’s obsession with flying saucers. But it might have all been based on what The Atlantic calls “one of the most significant reporter misquotes in history.”

On this day, June 24, in 1947, an amateur pilot was on his way to an air show in Oregon when he saw a bright blue flash of light in the sky near Mount Rainier. At first he thought it was the sun glinting off another aircraft, but the only other plane around was about 15 mi. away, and not glinting. Then he saw nine more flashes of light, in quick succession — coming from what he later described as unidentified flying objects.

It was when the pilot, Kenneth Arnold, tried to describe the motion of the objects to a reporter for the United Press that the mix-up occurred. He said they flew “like a saucer if you skip it across the water.” The reporter took this to mean that the objects themselves were saucer-like, and news reports across the country repeated that Arnold had seen “flying saucers.”

Suddenly everyone was seeing what Arnold had seen, except that he hadn’t.  “By July 4, newspapers were heralding literally hundreds of reports of ‘flying saucers’ in skies across the nation.

Shortly after came the  "UFO Researchers", like George Adamski in the late 40's who sold novels and photos of the supposed crafts along with details of their space ships and the world of UFOlogy was born. Now people have abductions, grand theories that they are either here to hurt us or save us from ourselves. All concepts from the lore, such as the Twilight Zone episodes.

No one can explain how these things travel light years to get here, they just vaguely say time warp or black hole or some unproven bullshit. If these are beings, they would be of organic material and would never live long enough to get from the nearest possible star with life to Earth.. We are not being visited. Physics and Astronomy are real. They simply could not travel here in a physical craft with living beings, due to the time it would take. Without some new concept of physics and time. And we do not have that concept yet. So we have NO evidence of UFOs. In fact now that everyone has cell phones, the sighting reports and photos have gone way down, which one would think they would go up, as everyone could capture these things in HD on their phone. But we still just have those random lights in the sky.

But the myth has made a lot of people very rich in the world of Science Fiction

High 90 odd percent of sightings are bullshit for sure, but there are too many credible witnesses now, along with radar capture and certain videos.No way Rubio and the like are sticking their neck on the line talking about this unless their classified briefings are very certain about intelligent flying objects way beyond anything the usa has.

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Re: Retrieved Crashed Saucers - not from man - NYT article is coming on
« Reply #122 on: July 29, 2020, 01:40:58 PM »
Some people claim they are interdimensional beings that live on Earth.  These people are also usually religious and believe they are demons.


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Re: Retrieved Crashed Saucers - not from man - NYT article is coming on
« Reply #123 on: July 29, 2020, 06:23:54 PM »
I tend to agree with Calvin of "Calvin and Hobbes" fame.  We know there's intelligent life out there because it hasn't landed here.

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« Reply #124 on: July 29, 2020, 08:18:47 PM »
:D

I'd forgotten all about these guys!  Thank you  8)



As with "Peanuts", there's a lot of wisdom in "Calvin and Hobbes".  And fun.  Lots of fun!  Thanks brother!