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Re: Volume or HIT? Yes, I bought it up.
« Reply #25 on: September 09, 2020, 07:52:55 PM »
I understand your point and value your opinion.  I've trained natural and enhanced, so i would think i have a pretty good idea of reality and the ability to compare the two; i've spent almost the same time as a natural as i have on gear.  If you think jumping on TRT would make a big difference for you physically, you would be mistaken.  You need to get into the 300+mg per week range to see real changes.  TRT is much lower than that.  There are very few real legit doctors that will give you more than 200mg every 14-21 days, at least not for real medical use.

I think me being honest about using gear is important, if you think about it, all the training protocols you have read since the 80's were most likely written by current or former gear users.  That's why i believe following the training protocols of certain famous bodybuilders is rather strange.

At the end of the day gear does make a difference in how you respond to training and how fast you recover, but i don't believe there is a particular style of "natural" bodybuilding.  I think a natural just needs to be more consistent, take longer to recover and eat better.
My point in pointing out therapeutic hormone replacement is there are  a boat load of users that claim they are on therapeutic hormone replacement that are buying vials of test out of the trunk of a guy's car trunk being delusional claiming THR but are taking way more than any doctor would prescribe.  I see the 50 year olds in the gym saying they are off the juice claiming THR but are clearly taking a ton of test. Not the same as a regular 50 year old using a prescription. Even taking a prescription can make a difference in training. Not drastic but a difference.

I told this story before. I tested border line in natural testosterone production in my 60's and a doctor said he would give me test. I asked about the some studies indicating an increased heart and stroke risk. He said he would prescribe clomid instead.  It is a drug sometimes used to increase fertility in males. It acts like LH hormone increasing test. I used it for about six weeks if my memory serves me. It increased my natural test  more than two times what it was. I went from 300 to 700.  I also believe it helped my physique.  I went for a follow up appointment learning my doctor left the urology group. The next doctor said it was insanity he put me on it. He said while it was used off label to increase fertility in males it was never studied for long time usage.  He said  it's use in a very small numbers of males study showed an increase in brain tumors. He told me to stop using it and I have.

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Re: Volume or HIT? Yes, I bought it up.
« Reply #26 on: September 10, 2020, 03:52:38 AM »
My point in pointing out therapeutic hormone replacement is there are  a boat load of users that claim they are on therapeutic hormone replacement that are buying vials of test out of the trunk of a guy's car trunk being delusional claiming THR but are taking way more than any doctor would prescribe.  I see the 50 year olds in the gym saying they are off the juice claiming THR but are clearly taking a ton of test. Not the same as a regular 50 year old using a prescription. Even taking a prescription can make a difference in training. Not drastic but a difference.

I told this story before. I tested border line in natural testosterone production in my 60's and a doctor said he would give me test. I asked about the some studies indicating an increased heart and stroke risk. He said he would prescribe clomid instead.  It is a drug sometimes used to increase fertility in males. It acts like LH hormone increasing test. I used it for about six weeks if my memory serves me. It increased my natural test  more than two times what it was. I went from 300 to 700.  I also believe it helped my physique.  I went for a follow up appointment learning my doctor left the urology group. The next doctor said it was insanity he put me on it. He said while it was used off label to increase fertility in males it was never studied for long time usage.  He said  it's use in a very small numbers of males study showed an increase in brain tumors. He told me to stop using it and I have.
This is a great example why people should get 2nd opinions from doctors as they vary widely in their ability.

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Re: Volume or HIT? Yes, I bought it up.
« Reply #27 on: September 10, 2020, 05:22:54 AM »
Q:What do you call someone who finished last in his med school class? A:Doctor.

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Re: Volume or HIT? Yes, I bought it up.
« Reply #28 on: September 10, 2020, 09:58:45 AM »
Q:What do you call someone who finished last in his med school class? A:Doctor.
Who finished 1st?

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Re: Volume or HIT? Yes, I bought it up.
« Reply #29 on: September 10, 2020, 11:08:56 AM »
My point in pointing out therapeutic hormone replacement is there are  a boat load of users that claim they are on therapeutic hormone replacement that are buying vials of test out of the trunk of a guy's car trunk being delusional claiming THR but are taking way more than any doctor would prescribe.  I see the 50 year olds in the gym saying they are off the juice claiming THR but are clearly taking a ton of test. Not the same as a regular 50 year old using a prescription. Even taking a prescription can make a difference in training. Not drastic but a difference.

I told this story before. I tested border line in natural testosterone production in my 60's and a doctor said he would give me test. I asked about the some studies indicating an increased heart and stroke risk. He said he would prescribe clomid instead.  It is a drug sometimes used to increase fertility in males. It acts like LH hormone increasing test. I used it for about six weeks if my memory serves me. It increased my natural test  more than two times what it was. I went from 300 to 700.  I also believe it helped my physique.  I went for a follow up appointment learning my doctor left the urology group. The next doctor said it was insanity he put me on it. He said while it was used off label to increase fertility in males it was never studied for long time usage.  He said  it's use in a very small numbers of males study showed an increase in brain tumors. He told me to stop using it and I have.

That's very true, a lot of guys use the TRT excuse to mask their use of large amounts of AAS.  I know a bunch of guys who do this as well.  When i first started using AAS i never talked about it to anyone, but these days i'd rather be up front with people.  I think the bodybuilding industry in general is a bunch of BS, from the supplements to drug usage, it's a lot of smoke and mirrors.

Clomid shouldn't be used like that, i'm surprised the doctor put you on it.  Lots of general doctors don't understand AAS.  Lucky for me i have a close friend who is an Endocrinologist who has specialized in male hormone replacement for many years.  It's amazing how different his advice is compared to what i read about or talk to friends about.  Many doctors do not keep up with current TRT methods and stick to what they learned in school, which might have been 20 years ago.  Or as IroNat pointed out, they might not be the best and brightest doctor.  My GP knows i'm on TRT and doesn't disagree with what my Endo has me on, but he's more open minded to TRT than most others.  I see him every 60 days to get labs done and he monitors everything.

My brother used to work for an insurance company that supported malpractice medical claims for doctors.  It was insane how many doctors have very serious claims against them for doing very stupid things to patients.  There used to be a way to look up claims on doctors, but i haven't tried in a long time.

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Re: Volume or HIT? Yes, I bought it up.
« Reply #30 on: September 10, 2020, 12:23:59 PM »

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« Reply #31 on: September 10, 2020, 01:13:46 PM »
Fauci.
If he finished 1st, we are all screwed.

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Re: Volume or HIT? Yes, I bought it up.
« Reply #32 on: September 10, 2020, 04:05:50 PM »
If he finished 1st, we are all screwed.
He was first in his class at Cornell Med School.

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« Reply #33 on: September 11, 2020, 03:53:59 AM »
He was first in his class at Cornell Med School.
He couldn't get into Harvard?

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Re: Volume or HIT? Yes, I bought it up.
« Reply #34 on: October 03, 2020, 06:26:46 AM »
He couldn't get into Harvard?

Height requirement.  You must be at least 4 feet to enter the campus...I'll be in hell for that. ;D