Is Black Lives Matter a Marxist movement?

[IroNat]

Apparently, it is.

https://www.politifact.com/article/2020/jul/21/black-lives-matter-marxist-movement/


Black Lives Matter was founded by community organizers. One of the three co-founders said in 2015 that she and another co-founder “are trained Marxists.”

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But "this does not mean every supporter is Marxist — Marxists often have used ‘useful idiots.’ And a Marxist movement can be more or less radical, at different points in time," he said.

[Coach is Back!]

100% it’s marixist and they admit it

[jude2]

Of course, they even admit it.

[loco]

[loco]

That flyer was created and posted by Democrats

[Coach is Back!]

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[loco]

meaning?

Meaning that flyer was created and posted by Democrats

[Humble Narcissist]

Yes, they are.

[OzmO]

I don't see it.

So what if there is an entity named BML that supports communism? 

That's not the point of what people (All colors) are marching for.  Promoting the idea that BLM is a marxist movement is another shameless ploy to change the narrative from what the actual movement is about:  The brutalizing and killing of black people at the hands of the police and indifference of society in general and the ineffectiveness of the criminal justice system. 

Anything else shit out of the anuses of those against this movement (what it actually is as i described) for the consumption borderline racists is just that, SHIT.  Don't fall for it.   

Or maybe thats just who your are.

 

[Humble Narcissist]

I don't see it.

So what if there is an entity named BML that supports communism? 

That's not the point of what people (All colors) are marching for.  Promoting the idea that BLM is a marxist movement is another shameless ploy to change the narrative from what the actual movement is about:  The brutalizing and killing of black people at the hands of the police and indifference of society in general and the ineffectiveness of the criminal justice system. 

Anything else shit out of the anuses of those against this movement (what it actually is as i described) for the consumption borderline racists is just that, SHIT.  Don't fall for it.   

Or maybe thats just who your are.

Do you think rioting and looting helps create racial harmony?

[Grape Ape]

I don't see it.

So what if there is an entity named BML that supports communism? 

That's not the point of what people (All colors) are marching for.  Promoting the idea that BLM is a marxist movement is another shameless ploy to change the narrative from what the actual movement is about:  The brutalizing and killing of black people at the hands of the police and indifference of society in general and the ineffectiveness of the criminal justice system. 

Anything else shit out of the anuses of those against this movement (what it actually is as i described) for the consumption borderline racists is just that, SHIT.  Don't fall for it.   

Or maybe thats just who your are.

Nah, you can't have it both ways.

If the BLM movement gets the promotion, money, marketing, exposure, etc, then they have to be accountable for the mission statement on their website.

Don't put BLM on the streets, on MLB ballparks, on NBA shirts then.   Use a statement that separates the narrative from the movement.

The term Black Lives Matter was purposely chose to conflate the two.  One should be able to support the statement, but not the organization.  The two are conflated to prevent speaking out against it.

It's like the term Defund the Police......supporters say it's "not REALLY defunding police"....so don't call it that.  If Black Lives matter the statement isn't about Black Lives Matter the movement, then don't call it that either.


Marcellus Wiley put it best:

[OzmO]

Do you think rioting and looting helps create racial harmony?

Of course not, do you think peaceful protesting is uncalled for?

Do you think rioting and looting 100% defines this movement or do you think what I wrote about the movement does?

Unfortunately, rioting and looting are tarnishing this movement.  It's very disappointing.  I had a friend who had a retail brick and motor who had just opened 3 weeks before labor day that got looted.  But the foundation of the movement still stands regardless of whoever tries to change the narrative to Marxism or rioting and looting. 

Can we agree because of:  "The brutalizing and killing of black people at the hands of the police and indifference of society in general and the ineffectiveness of the criminal justice system. "  ... that some sort of reform needs to happen?

Disclaimer:  I am not talking about the defending the police garbage which is another shameless attempt to change the narrative. 
 

[OzmO]

Nah, you can't have it both ways.

If the BLM movement gets the promotion, money, marketing, exposure, etc, then they have to be accountable for the mission statement on their website.

Don't put BLM on the streets, on MLB ballparks, on NBA shirts then.   Use a statement that separates the narrative from the movement.

The term Black Lives Matter was purposely chose to conflate the two.  One should be able to support the statement, but not the organization.  The two are conflated to prevent speaking out against it.

It's like the term Defund the Police......supporters say it's "not REALLY defunding police"....so don't call it that.  If Black Lives matter the statement isn't about Black Lives Matter the movement, then don't call it that either.


Marcellus Wiley put it best:

Are you saying Blacks cant have a movement because another group out of their control are trying to hijack it?  That wouldn't make a lot of sense. 

You can a movement regardless, if the movement holds true to its core purpose.  People aren't marching to make America communist.  That's  propaganda designed to marginalize the movement, along with defund the police, rioting and looting.

Cherry picking fringe or extreme elements of any group, political ideology or movement is now becoming the "go to" way to demonize it..

"Demonize the mainstream by promoting the extreme"

One should be able to support the statement, but not the organization. 

I love this statement.  And I agree.

  The two are conflated to prevent speaking out against it.

Not true.  I don't.  The people I personally know (all colors) who have marched, don't. 

The term Black Lives Matter was purposely chose to conflate the two.

I might agree that it's a group of opportunists who are attempting to capitalize on a movement with one of their own.   So what?  Its doesn't change the foundation of the movement for me.  I am capitalist...lol.  Or for others.

So just let me ask you:

Can we agree because of:  "The brutalizing and killing of black people at the hands of the police and indifference of society in general and the ineffectiveness of the criminal justice system. "  ... that some sort of reform needs to happen?

If we agree, BLM being some fringe group promoting marxism shouldn't matter because its not their agenda we are supporting.

[IroNat]

Are you saying Blacks cant have a movement because another group out of their control are trying to hijack it?  That wouldn't make a lot of sense. 

You can a movement regardless, if the movement holds true to its core purpose.  People aren't marching to make America communist.  That's  propaganda designed to marginalize the movement, along with defund the police, rioting and looting.

Cherry picking fringe or extreme elements of any group, political ideology or movement is now becoming the "go to" way to demonize it..

"Demonize the mainstream by promoting the extreme"


I love this statement.  And I agree.

Not true.  I don't.  The people I personally know (all colors) who have marched, don't. 

I might agree that it's a group of opportunists who are attempting to capitalize on a movement with one of their own.   So what?  Its doesn't change the foundation of the movement for me.  I am capitalist...lol.  Or for others.

So just let me ask you:

Can we agree because of:  "The brutalizing and killing of black people at the hands of the police and indifference of society in general and the ineffectiveness of the criminal justice system. "  ... that some sort of reform needs to happen?

If we agree, BLM being some fringe group promoting marxism shouldn't matter because its not their agenda we are supporting.

[Grape Ape]

Are you saying Blacks cant have a movement because another group out of their control are trying to hijack it?  That wouldn't make a lot of sense.
 

You know I wouldn't believe that.

So just let me ask you:

Can we agree because of:  "The brutalizing and killing of black people at the hands of the police and indifference of society in general and the ineffectiveness of the criminal justice system. "  ... that some sort of reform needs to happen?

If we agree, BLM being some fringe group promoting marxism shouldn't matter because its not their agenda we are supporting.

I deleted some stuff because the quote within a quote was getting confusing.

I don't believe society was indifferent.  I believe most people were pissed - white, black, cops, were all pretty quick to condemn the assholes who did this.

However, while I do believe you believe in the mission and  that the BLM movement is being opportunistic here, to me it doesn't matter now because the two are entwined.

Meaning that the BLM movement, the one calling for the breakdown of the nuclear family, captitalism, etc is gettting a ton of money.  When you get money, you get influence.  When you get influence you have power.  I want that prevented.

As far as I can tell, the 'Black Lives Matter' movement has resulted in more black deaths, increased crime in minority communities, and loss of livelihoods in places affected by riots and looting.  It is not being condemned by the side you are lobbying for, and is hurting the cause tremendously.

[OzmO]

[OzmO]

You know I wouldn't believe that.

Yep, for sure.

I don't believe society was indifferent.  I believe most people were pissed - white, black, cops, were all pretty quick to condemn the assholes who did this.

However, while I do believe you believe in the mission and  that the BLM movement is being opportunistic here, to me it doesn't matter now because the two are entwined.

Meaning that the BLM movement, the one calling for the breakdown of the nuclear family, captitalism, etc is gettting a ton of money.  When you get money, you get influence.  When you get influence you have power.  I want that prevented.

As far as I can tell, the 'Black Lives Matter' movement has resulted in more black deaths, increased crime in minority communities, and loss of livelihoods in places affected by riots and looting.  It is not being condemned by the side you are lobbying for, and is hurting the cause tremendously.

I agree with most of what you said.  But, what I see is a side promoting this extreme that's taking away from the main message of the movement,  using as a basis for under-minding it,  while those promoting the movement not promoting it (BLM Marxist) at all.  Now, granted....   i am not looking at everything and gathering exact data on it all.  I don't know that anyone is. 

All this being said, of you do agree with core the movement, criticizing an extreme element of it only takes away from it.

[Grape Ape]

Yep, for sure.

I agree with most of what you said.  But, what I see is a side promoting this extreme that's taking away from the main message of the movement,  using as a basis for under-minding it,  while those promoting the movement not promoting it (BLM Marxist) at all.  Now, granted....   i am not looking at everything and gathering exact data on it all.  I don't know that anyone is. 

All this being said, of you do agree with core the movement, criticizing an extreme element of it only takes away from it.

I agree with yours in theory...however, if the extreme element, no matter what % of the movement it compromises,  is getting the money and power, it's an issue.

[Humble Narcissist]

Of course not, do you think peaceful protesting is uncalled for?

Do you think rioting and looting 100% defines this movement or do you think what I wrote about the movement does?

Unfortunately, rioting and looting are tarnishing this movement.  It's very disappointing.  I had a friend who had a retail brick and motor who had just opened 3 weeks before labor day that got looted.  But the foundation of the movement still stands regardless of whoever tries to change the narrative to Marxism or rioting and looting. 

Can we agree because of:  "The brutalizing and killing of black people at the hands of the police and indifference of society in general and the ineffectiveness of the criminal justice system. "  ... that some sort of reform needs to happen?

Disclaimer:  I am not talking about the defending the police garbage which is another shameless attempt to change the narrative.

I actually do have a problem with "peaceful protesting" which is rarely ever so when done by the left.  The police officer was charged with murder so why are they still protesting?  What do you want?  It appears your group wants to defund police which is the dumbest thing any city could possibly do.  Do you honestly believe cutting the police force or eliminating them all together is going to make your neighborhoods safer?

[Coach is Back!]

Of course not, do you think peaceful protesting is uncalled for?

Do you think rioting and looting 100% defines this movement or do you think what I wrote about the movement does?

Unfortunately, rioting and looting are tarnishing this movement.  It's very disappointing.  I had a friend who had a retail brick and motor who had just opened 3 weeks before labor day that got looted.  But the foundation of the movement still stands regardless of whoever tries to change the narrative to Marxism or rioting and looting. 

Can we agree because of:  "The brutalizing and killing of black people at the hands of the police and indifference of society in general and the ineffectiveness of the criminal justice system. "  ... that some sort of reform needs to happen?

Disclaimer:  I am not talking about the defending the police garbage which is another shameless attempt to change the narrative.

One of the biggest misconceptions out there is that there are “peaceful protesters” you can’t separate the two when they’re both interfering with law enforcement. The difference is one is more violent than the other. When you have cops shot, having rocks, bottles, frozen water bottles thrown, burning down buildings and businesses, and let’s not forget the high powered lasers courtesy of the Chinese government literally blinding the cops, there’s nothing peaceful about it.

[OzmO]

I actually do have a problem with "peaceful protesting" which is rarely ever so when done by the left.  The police officer was charged with murder so why are they still protesting?  What do you want? 

The knee on the neck instance combined with 2 others sparked the protests that are addressing this issue in particular:   "The brutalizing and killing of black people at the hands of the police and indifference of society in general and the ineffectiveness of the criminal justice system. "  Reform is needed.

It appears your group wants to defund police which is the dumbest thing any city could possibly do. Do you honestly believe cutting the police force or eliminating them all together is going to make your neighborhoods safer?

It's not "my" group.  Anyone with a rational mind knows that the absence of a police force would lead to anarchy.  However, many with a rational mind will accept the premise that some who are protesting are calling to defund the police and in turn applying that premise the group as a whole. For example:  you calling it my group.  "Demonize the mainstream by promoting the extreme."

[IroNat]

There is no mainstream in BLM.

[Humble Narcissist]

There is no mainstream in BLM.

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[Thin Lizzy]

I actually do have a problem with "peaceful protesting" which is rarely ever so when done by the left.  The police officer was charged with murder so why are they still protesting?  What do you want?  It appears your group wants to defund police which is the dumbest thing any city could possibly do.  Do you honestly believe cutting the police force or eliminating them all together is going to make your neighborhoods safer?

It’s all a fraud with the white BLM supporters being useful idiots.

You can’t address police brutality against blacks and pretend that it has no relation to black crime. The more police interactions the greater the chance of one going bad.

[Humble Narcissist]

It’s all a fraud with the white BLM supporters being useful idiots.

You can’t address police brutality against blacks and pretend that it has no relation to black crime. The more police interactions the greater the chance of one going bad.

Yes, and blacks resist arrest and are disrespectful towards authority more than any other race, by far.  You see the body cam footage of cops being very respectful and simply asking for ID and black drivers getting all mouthy and refusing simple orders.  Every video I have seen of "police brutality" starts out with blacks escalating a confrontation that doesn't even have to be.