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Re: Bruce Lee - Why you shouldnt be a permabulker - case study
« Reply #125 on: August 04, 2020, 12:55:25 AM »
Clown? Really? Ever since you've polluted this board with your entrance you've established yourself quickly as the village idiot that nobody likes.

And I'm no expert. It's easily to tell when someone starts talking about pressure points and Dim Mak that they have very little experience, if any, with real fights.

And what's your point about posting the vid? I've posted it many times. I've made mention of it just a few days ago.

The fact remains that you can't refute any of my arguments with logic and facts. That's because you have none.

Um Pellius, i've actually won a real fight (street fight / assault in the middle of the night in the streets after walking from a nightclub) with Dim Mak back in the late 90s
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« Reply #126 on: August 04, 2020, 12:58:43 AM »
agree 100%
Against other grapplers they are not so good as they make out. Their father was beaten too. Just the brainwashed Clowns who think only Gracie this Gracie that like nothing Else matters


Gracies never said they were the best grapplers, they said their Jiu-Jitsu was the best style for submission grappling. And there is a reason in that fight you posted that after the match Yoshida was commonly referred to as "YoCheata". He was defeated by Royce in a rematch.

Again, the Gracies were the only one in their time that were always willing and able to prove their effectiveness. They realize you can debate until the cows come home but in the end they will just challenge you to a fight and prove it in real life. That's how I became a believer. I insisted I could keep someone from taking me down with punches and kicks and so they eventually said prove it. Pick one. I chose Royler since he was the smallest. About 5'5" 135 pounds. I was so proud that I easily had him on his back thinking how I was embarrassing all of them. That's until Royler popped my elbow. He couldn't speak English at the time but Royce, who did speak English, explained to me that I didn't tap. I told him I had no idea what he was doing until I felt my elbow popped. During the time period, 1991, it was inconceivable that someone could defend himself, let alone take someone out, while fighting off their back.

This is something you would never ever do. Put your money where your mouth is. I did and the Gracies did. I'm wasn't afraid of getting beaten up. I was more concerned with the truth. As much as I preferred the old Bruce Lee style kicking and punching I couldn't deny the fact that every single martial artist over a period of years coming in to challenge a Gracie in a close door no rules fight lost. They lost every single time. Including me. I couldn't deny reality. I wasn't afraid to test reality like you are. Go into a Gracie dojo and prove yourself. You won't because you can't. You imply that you are familiar with Escrima. Dan Inosantos was a big believer in the effectiveness of Gracie Jiu-Jitus and trained consistently taking private lessons from Roger Machado for years.

Royler Gracie is in the middle. Neither of the men of each side are near 6 foot tall.


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« Reply #127 on: August 04, 2020, 01:53:37 AM »
Gracies never said they were the best grapplers, they said their Jiu-Jitsu was the best style for submission grappling. And there is a reason in that fight you posted that after the match Yoshida was commonly referred to as "YoCheata". He was defeated by Royce in a rematch.

Again, the Gracies were the only one in their time that were always willing and able to prove their effectiveness. They realize you can debate until the cows come home but in the end they will just challenge you to a fight and prove it in real life. That's how I became a believer. I insisted I could keep someone from taking me down with punches and kicks and so they eventually said prove it. Pick one. I chose Royler since he was the smallest. About 5'5" 135 pounds. I was so proud that I easily had him on his back thinking how I was embarrassing all of them. That's until Royler popped my elbow. He couldn't speak English at the time but Royce, who did speak English, explained to me that I didn't tap. I told him I had no idea what he was doing until I felt my elbow popped. During the time period, 1991, it was inconceivable that someone could defend himself, let alone take someone out, while fighting off their back.

This is something you would never ever do. Put your money where your mouth is. I did and the Gracies did. I'm wasn't afraid of getting beaten up. I was more concerned with the truth. As much as I preferred the old Bruce Lee style kicking and punching I couldn't deny the fact that every single martial artist over a period of years coming in to challenge a Gracie in a close door no rules fight lost. They lost every single time. Including me. I couldn't deny reality. I wasn't afraid to test reality like you are. Go into a Gracie dojo and prove yourself. You won't because you can't. You imply that you are familiar with Escrima. Dan Inosantos was a big believer in the effectiveness of Gracie Jiu-Jitus and trained consistently taking private lessons from Roger Machado for years.

Royler Gracie is in the middle. Neither of the men of each side are near 6 foot tall.


And so did Chuck norris what's your point?
Shows maybe they are more tolerant than you are. By the way how many multiple Attack have you beaten off with your Gracie principles? 😂
Aside from the old hobo bum you boasted about 😁

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« Reply #128 on: August 04, 2020, 02:00:28 AM »
I have to be honest and say i never saw this fight but if there is any truth in this well i Rest my case. Not saying BJJ is not good but Just not what it's always made out to be.


And exactly what is your case?

Fortunately you have me, with some real inside info of the video you just posted.

First of all, this no shoes excuse is laughable. It's not unfair if everybody has to follow the same rules. No one was allowed to wear shoes. And Shamrock's crying about how much it hindered him is complete and utter bullshit. This lie about him slipping and not getting traction for submissions is a lie. The fight didn't even last long enough for sweat to be a factor and every martial art trains bare foot. Nobody wears shoes in modern MMA and nobody complains how it is a disadvantage because it is not.

Shamrock is right about the gi. Royce should not have been allowed to wear a gi. Even though the argument was that it was fair because everybody could wear a gi if they wanted to but for the rest of the fighters it was not an advantage because it didn't suit their fighting style. It is a huge advantage for a Jiu-Jitsu fighter to wear a gi and gave Royce an unfair advantage. That's why I technically left traditional Jiu-Jitsu training and after about 10 years stop training in the gi. There was too much dependence on the gi for control and for the techniques to work. Jiu-Jitsu got more tournament oriented rather than self defense/fighting oriented. I haven't and won't train in a gi for over ten years. Rickson has started a separate organization limiting the use of the gi and trying to bring back Jiu-Jitsu to it's fighting roots.

Shamrock is just telling a bald face lie about how he was training for a 3 hour fight and wanted to wear Royce down. Just a complete lie. He was openingly bragging how this time he was going to knock out Royce standing up inside of three minutes and not get into a grappling match which is Royce's strength, in fact his only strength. It was obvious to anyone with some familiarity with fighting that Royce has no stand up and if you were going to beat him it would be on his feet. That was obvious to everyone, especially Shamrock.

Again I provide evidence for my claims. Think about. Who thinks about wanting to fight for 3 hours. The goal is always to just drop your opponent into unconsciousness as fast as you can. Everyone wants to set a new record for fastest knockout. This idea that Shamrock had to change his strategy at the last minute because he trained to drag on a fight for 3 hours does not comport with common sense and is just a lie and a laughable sad excuse. Since he wanted to keep the fight on the feet, giving him, Shamrock the advantage, you really think he planned to dance around for 3 hours? Nothing would be more satisfying than dropping Royce in seconds with a punch or kick to the head. Training for 3 hours and having to change your strategy for a 3- minute fight -- lol. My main concern for a 3 hour fight would not be if I was in proper condition to last that long, but could I last that long without having to a pee. What a laughable crybaby excuse.

First Shamrock complains about about the fight being cut too short and then he complains about it being extended for 6 minutes. But he is right that it was utter bullshit for Rorion to do this and showed how biased the match was against Shamrock. Though it made no difference in the fight it just further detracted from the fight's credibility that you could suddenly change the rules in the middle of the event. Did Rorion really think Royce could improve his situation with more time? He was getting mauled. Rorion is smart but he did some dumb things like this. Just like when he agreed to a BJJ super fight pitting Royce with Wallid Ismail. Rorion knew Royce was not a legit black belt whereas Wallid was world class and had beaten other far more skilled and experience Gracies in tournaments.

It was draw because they had to end that boring fight at some point. This was now on TV and they did not have unlimited time. It was ruled a draw because neither fighters quit or was knocked out. That was the traditional Vale Tudo rules. You fight until someone quits by tapping or verbal surrender or is unable to fight due to being unconscious. But having said that it was clear that if you go by damage done, Royce lost that fight. Never would a Gracie settle for a draw but in this case it put Royce in the best light saying he fought to a draw when it was obvious that if it was truly a no time limit match Royce would have whithered away.

The third fight with Bellator was a complete disgrace and and a huge injustice done to Shamrock. Royce was working with Bellator and the obvious bias against Shamrock and  trying to ensure victory for Royce was corruption and bias beyond anything Rorion had done. It was especially infuriating to me was that though I fly the Gracie flag, Shamrock was a legend and the rivalry between him and Royce was the stuff of legend.
Ken deserved better. To end a legendary career, one of the original stars that made this sport, in such a disgraceful fashion is just beyond injustice. There was no honor in that gift given to Royce. Every time I think about it. How Shamrock was treated is a huge black mark on MMA. I don't know who was responsible. It was the referee who stopped the fight but it was such an obvious bad call that I don't know if it was just bad refereeing or if the fix was in. Royce should have stopped and let Shamrock recover and try to achieve a legit honorable victory to and end this decades long classic rivalry with dignity and class. Such a disgrace. Such utter disrespect to one of the true legends in the UFC.

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« Reply #129 on: August 04, 2020, 02:10:52 AM »
And so did Chuck norris what's your point?
Shows maybe they are more tolerant than you are. By the way how many multiple Attack have you beaten off with your Gracie principles? 😂
Aside from the old hobo bum you boasted about 😁

You really are that dumb. My point is obvious. Unlike you, some like the Gracies, Chuck Norris, myself, and many others put their money where their mouth is and put themselves on the line and step up and test themselves in a real fight. Something you have never, and will never, do.

And I explained and posted a video by Rener Gracie that laid to rest this nonsense about fighting multiple attackers.

Why are you even talking about fighting and martial arts when you clearly have never stepped up and backed up, or attempt to back up, your big mouth? Again this is where the Gracies shined. This where I shine in living their philosophy. If this were in person and we spent all this time going back and forth I would realize that it reached a point where I will tell you that all this back and forth is going nowhere. Lets just square off right now and determine who can back up their claims. No hard feelings and well have a beer afterwards but for now lets just do what we are just talking bout. Actually fight. I wonder if someone like you would take up the on the spot challenge as the Gracies did. Instead of just talking and philosophizing about fighting -- to actually fight.

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« Reply #130 on: August 04, 2020, 02:18:07 AM »
You really are that dumb. My point is obvious. Unlike you, some like the Gracies, Chuck Norris, myself, and many others put their money where their mouth is and put themselves on the line and step up and test themselves in a real fight. Something you have never, and will never, do.

And I explained and posted a video by Rener Gracie that laid to rest this nonsense about fighting multiple attackers.

Why are you even talking about fighting and martial arts when you clearly have never stepped up and backed up, or attempt to back up, your big mouth? Again this is where the Gracies shined. This where I shine in living their philosophy. If this were in person and we spent all this time going back and forth I would realize that it reached a point where I will tell you that all this back and forth is going nowhere. Lets just square off right now and determine who can back up their claims. No hard feelings and well have a beer afterwards but for now lets just do what we are just talking bout. Actually fight. I wonder if someone like you would take up the on the spot challenge as the Gracies did. Instead of just talking and philosophizing about fighting -- to actually fight.
How funny you are. Trying to tell people in your post...

The fact remains that you can't refute any of my arguments with logic and facts. That's because you have none.

now you are just losing control of your emotions, never good in a fight either.
Acting like a street punk.
stick to beating old Hobos.  :D

Also... donīt put yourself in the same class as chuck Norris.  please donīt itīs embarrassing.

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« Reply #131 on: August 04, 2020, 02:46:50 AM »
How funny you are. Trying to tell people in your post...

The fact remains that you can't refute any of my arguments with logic and facts. That's because you have none.

now you are just losing control of your emotions, never good in a fight either.
Acting like a street punk.
stick to beating old Hobos.  :D

Also... donīt put yourself in the same class as chuck Norris.  please donīt itīs embarrassing.

Because it's true. You haven't presented a single piece of evidence to back up anything you claim.

I'm an in complete control of my emotions. You can only talk. Whether I am a good fighter or not the fact is I am always willing to step up and back up my claim. Something you have never done.

And what's this idiocy about me putting myself in the same class of Chuck Norris?  Because we have both been tapped out by the Gracies? You're just not a very bright person.

Your ID been on this board for just over two months and you post constantly about things you know nothing about. And you wonder why nobody likes you here. But, of course, you've been here before. You sound very familiar and just another gimmick that has previously been driven off this board.

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« Reply #132 on: August 04, 2020, 02:50:39 AM »
Because it's true. You haven't presented a single piece of evidence to back up anything you claim.

I'm an in complete control of my emotions. You can only talk. Whether I am a good fighter or not the fact is I am always willing to step up and back up my claim. Something you have never done.

And what's this idiocy about me putting myself in the same class of Chuck Norris?  Because we have both been tapped out by the Gracies? You're just not a very bright person.

Your ID been on this board for just over two months and you post constantly about things you know nothing about. And you wonder why nobody likes you here. But, of course, you've been here before. You sound very familiar and just another gimmick that has previously been driven off this board.
Iīm not going to waste anymore words on you. 

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« Reply #133 on: August 04, 2020, 02:54:09 AM »
Escrima, Pellius , did you know that i did finish a fight (real fight in the streets after walking from a nightclub in the middle of the night) with Dim Mak?

Was over 20 years ago, but still.
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« Reply #134 on: August 04, 2020, 02:54:30 AM »
Kwon circa 1995  ;D




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« Reply #135 on: August 04, 2020, 03:01:50 AM »
Iīm not going to waste anymore words on you.

All your words are a waste. You have no experience or real knowledge of what you try to speak with authority about.

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« Reply #136 on: August 04, 2020, 03:07:18 AM »
you seem to get more punks in BJJ than anywhere else  :D

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« Reply #137 on: August 04, 2020, 03:21:27 AM »
Escrima, Pellius , did you know that i did finish a fight (real fight in the streets after walking from a nightclub in the middle of the night) with Dim Mak?

Was over 20 years ago, but still.


If anyone could do it, it would be you. The sad fact is that though, at nine years old, I sent the $5.95 on my own money that saved up to Count Dante for his book that promised to teach me the secrets of Dim Mak, I never got the book. In my naivete, I sent cash and a lot of it was in coins so it was an easy mark for a postal worker thief.
I was devasted and told my father about the money I lost and if there was anything I could do about it. He didn't really care about me losing my hard earned money (I got paid a penny a minute for doing yard work or a neighbor). He did sit me down with my mother and wanted to know why I sent out for a book that would teach me to kill a man with a single strike at nine years old. It's still a source of great bitterness that I never learned this secret and probably why I reacted so strongly to Humble's bringing up the subject.

I shit you not, everytime I hear the words "Dim Mak" this image flashes in my mind. It's been seared in my brain. It was the ad I read in the back of a Soider Man comic book that inspired me to send for this course. I would just read and reread this ad over and over again impatiently waiting for my book to arrive. I cut it out and kept it with me at all times and constantly looked at it and admired the perceived lethality of Count Dante. "Deadliest Man Alive", "Black Dragon Fighting Society", "Forbidden Secrets", "The Death Touch". "The Dreaded Chinese Tong Society"... all this was just beyond excitement for a nine year old budding killing machine. I was convinced that this was it. This was going to transformed me to what I felt I was meant to become. The next deadliest man alive.


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« Reply #138 on: August 04, 2020, 03:24:43 AM »
you seem to get more punks in BJJ than anywhere else  :D


Again proving you colossal ignorance. You have never trained in BJJ and know nothing about the martial art or the people that train in it. Just another arm chair jockey shooting off his mouth in anonymity.

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« Reply #139 on: August 04, 2020, 03:29:29 AM »
Again proving you colossal ignorance. You have never trained in BJJ and know nothing about the martial art or the people that train in it. Just another arm chair jockey shooting off his mouth in anonymity.
Nope i have not made any threats to anyone. Maybe where you trained they never thought you respect.
From what i can make out so far you seem to have anger issues with people on this board & off it.
I would not boast about beating some down & out Hobo over a cheese burger.
you Sir are a loser.

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« Reply #140 on: August 04, 2020, 03:32:34 AM »
Effective self-defense techniques...


























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« Reply #141 on: August 04, 2020, 03:38:46 AM »

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« Reply #142 on: August 04, 2020, 04:09:40 AM »
Most people have not heard of Kosen Judo.

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« Reply #143 on: August 04, 2020, 06:00:42 AM »
Kwon circa 1995  ;D




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« Reply #144 on: August 04, 2020, 07:03:50 AM »
If anyone could do it, it would be you. The sad fact is that though, at nine years old, I sent the $5.95 on my own money that saved up to Count Dante for his book that promised to teach me the secrets of Dim Mak, I never got the book. In my naivete, I sent cash and a lot of it was in coins so it was an easy mark for a postal worker thief.
I was devasted and told my father about the money I lost and if there was anything I could do about it. He didn't really care about me losing my hard earned money (I got paid a penny a minute for doing yard work or a neighbor). He did sit me down with my mother and wanted to know why I sent out for a book that would teach me to kill a man with a single strike at nine years old. It's still a source of great bitterness that I never learned this secret and probably why I reacted so strongly to Humble's bringing up the subject.

I shit you not, everytime I hear the words "Dim Mak" this image flashes in my mind. It's been seared in my brain. It was the ad I read in the back of a Soider Man comic book that inspired me to send for this course. I would just read and reread this ad over and over again impatiently waiting for my book to arrive. I cut it out and kept it with me at all times and constantly looked at it and admired the perceived lethality of Count Dante. "Deadliest Man Alive", "Black Dragon Fighting Society", "Forbidden Secrets", "The Death Touch". "The Dreaded Chinese Tong Society"... all this was just beyond excitement for a nine year old budding killing machine. I was convinced that this was it. This was going to transformed me to what I felt I was meant to become. The next deadliest man alive.


I had a run in with the Count's people years ago.  Back in 1997 I somehow came across this very book you are talking about and in it was the new leader's (since Dante's death) phone number.  His last name was Aguilar and he lived in the Fall River Massachusetts region.  I called him up and asked what I thought was an innocent question about Ashida Kim (a fraud who claimed he ran the Black Dragon Fighting Society).  I simply asked if they were affiliated and Aguilar blew up on the phone and was cussing and screaming for like 5 minutes straight saying he would kill Ashida Kim if he every got close to him.  I apologized and moved on.

Fast forward a few months and I found their website and joined their forum.  All of the Black Dragon guys were ignorant to the point of not even being able to write a sentence correctly.  I explained what happened months earlier and made the point that the Aguilar guy seemed out of control and ignorant.  This set off a storm!  A few of his students said they had my IP address and were coming to my town in Ohio (they named it) to murder me!  I believed it possible these lunatics were totally capable of trying this so I contacted the local police and told them what happened and to watch for Massachusetts, Connecticut, and Rhode Island plates around my apartment while I was at work.  Nothing else ever came of it.

Back in the '70's Dante took some of his students to fight another dojo across Chicago.  Several guys were stabbed and 1 guy died.  Count Dante died of ulcers before the trial.  The guy was a hairdresser as well as martial arts instructor.  A very violent and crazy guy.

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« Reply #145 on: August 04, 2020, 07:30:45 AM »


I'll take a baseball bat and destroy those guys.

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« Reply #146 on: August 04, 2020, 08:44:11 AM »

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« Reply #147 on: August 04, 2020, 08:57:52 AM »
My rule of thumb re pellius: Don't believe a word he says.
I do not care who he is nor do i care who he has trained with.
everyone has an opinion but you should not be opinionated.
He is sadly on a range of topics.


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« Reply #148 on: August 04, 2020, 10:05:34 AM »
I do not care who he is nor do i care who he has trained with.
everyone has an opinion but you should not be opinionated.
He is sadly on a range of topics.

He is a man of parallels

Only one thing is certain though, you don't mess or steal from Pellius, or you will surely get a knucklesandwich
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« Reply #149 on: August 04, 2020, 10:08:25 AM »
He is a man of parallels

Only one thing is certain though, you don't mess or steal from Pellius, or you will surely get a knucklesandwich