Bruce Lee - Why you shouldnt be a permabulker - case study

[Kwon]

It's like comparing Sandows strength-feats to current World Strongest Men.


Or the Armwrestlers from the 1920s to the Devon Laratts, Cyplenkovs, Levan Saginashvelis of today.

[galain]

Sorry Pellius

I thought you were asking what my martial arts background was in order to comment as I did.

I never met the guy. I never met Joe Lewis either. I have met Dan a few times and there's nobody nicer or more giving in the martial arts world that I've ever seen. If he says Lee was a big eater, I'm not going to dispute that.

I have stuff between germany and Australia so laying my hands on the exact quote from Lewis isn't possible, but i'm certain I read it somewhere and I heard if often, especially while I was in Hong Kong. It was never a negative. He was worshipped like a God over there and his every movement had been picked clean time and again. That was what I was told and as young guy, that was what I believed. Reading Lewis' statement after that just confirmed it in my mind, and then Polly's book mentioned it again.

And yes, traditional martial arts were proven woefully inadequate when NHB started, but I'd entered the sanda world for that very reason.

[escrima]

As much as I admire Bruce Lee, if I could transport his 1972 self to a local MMA gym here in Hawaii he would get his ass kicked over and over again.

One thing that was unique about traditional martial arts back in those days was that they never actually fought. There was never any real no holds barred fighting during training or competition. Unlike boxing, Muy Thai, wrestling... martials is run as a business and not as an athletic endeavor. If paying clients keep getting punched in the face they will leave and go train in Aikido. If you don't have grit and talent you get cut from the team. In martial arts as long as you keep paying your monthly dues you're gtg. Stick around long enough and you get your black belt. All the while not ever getting into a real fight.

[Humble Narcissist]

As much as I admire Bruce Lee, if I could transport his 1972 self to a local MMA gym here in Hawaii he would get his ass kicked over and over again.

One thing that was unique about traditional martial arts back in those days was that they never actually fought. There was never any real no holds barred fighting during training or competition. Unlike boxing, Muy Thai, wrestling... martials is run as a business and not as an athletic endeavor. If paying clients keep getting punched in the face they will leave and go train in Aikido. If you don't have grit and talent you get cut from the team. In martial arts as long as you keep paying your monthly dues you're gtg. Stick around long enough and you get your black belt. All the while not ever getting into a real fight.

There still are no real fight competitions.  The really good techniques are not allowed even in the UFC.  Eye gouging, fish hooking, groin strikes, throat strikes, dim mak strikes, small joint manipulation, etc, are all illegal because people would get seriously injured.  As fun as it is to watch mixed martial arts it is still just a sport.  Prison yard fights are probably the most realistic "no holds barred" fights in existence.  BJJ doesn't do a person much good there.

[Kwon]

As much as I admire Bruce Lee, if I could transport his 1972 self to a local MMA gym here in Hawaii he would get his ass kicked over and over again.

One thing that was unique about traditional martial arts back in those days was that they never actually fought. There was never any real no holds barred fighting during training or competition. Unlike boxing, Muy Thai, wrestling... martials is run as a business and not as an athletic endeavor. If paying clients keep getting punched in the face they will leave and go train in Aikido. If you don't have grit and talent you get cut from the team. In martial arts as long as you keep paying your monthly dues you're gtg. Stick around long enough and you get your black belt. All the while not ever getting into a real fight.

Truth

[Humble Narcissist]

Truth

I think you meant to highlight my post as truth.

[pellius]

Sorry Pellius

I thought you were asking what my martial arts background was in order to comment as I did.

I never met the guy. I never met Joe Lewis either. I have met Dan a few times and there's nobody nicer or more giving in the martial arts world that I've ever seen. If he says Lee was a big eater, I'm not going to dispute that.

I have stuff between germany and Australia so laying my hands on the exact quote from Lewis isn't possible, but i'm certain I read it somewhere and I heard if often, especially while I was in Hong Kong. It was never a negative. He was worshipped like a God over there and his every movement had been picked clean time and again. That was what I was told and as young guy, that was what I believed. Reading Lewis' statement after that just confirmed it in my mind, and then Polly's book mentioned it again.

And yes, traditional martial arts were proven woefully inadequate when NHB started, but I'd entered the sanda world for that very reason.

Fair enough. But again my point was not whether or not Bruce Lee used steroids but the claim that it was a well know fact that he did.

[pellius]

There still are no real fight competitions.  The really good techniques are not allowed even in the UFC.  Eye gouging, fish hooking, groin strikes, throat strikes, dim mak strikes, small joint manipulation, etc, are all illegal because people would get seriously injured.  As fun as it is to watch mixed martial arts it is still just a sport.  Prison yard fights are probably the most realistic "no holds barred" fights in existence.  BJJ doesn't do a person much good there.

In Vale Tudo in Brasil, just like in the original UFC, there was hair pulling, groin strikes and eye gouges (though that was looked down upon).

But I hear this all the time usually meant in an off handed way to diminish the real life street fighting ability of a UFC fighter. Not being able to use these ban techniques does not diminish their "street fighting" ability one iota. Just because they aren't allowed to use them in competition doesn't mean they can't and won't in real life. A UFC fighter, their MMA training, is the most complete in regard to unarmed combat and no Kimbo bred back yard brawler or any black-belt in TMA will stand a chance (other than pure luck) against a professional MMA fighter.

The only thing that really detracts from street fighting reality has nothing to do with the techniques allowed or not allowed but rather the time limits and weight classes. And LOL @ Dim Mak strikes. I sent for that course from "Count Dante" when I was about nine years old.

[Humble Narcissist]

In Vale Tudo in Brasil, just like in the original UFC, there was hair pulling, groin strikes and eye gouges (though that was looked down upon).

But I hear this all the time usually meant in an off handed way to diminish the real life street fighting ability of a UFC fighter. Not being able to use these ban techniques does not diminish their "street fighting" ability one iota. Just because they aren't allowed to use them in competition doesn't mean they can't and won't in real life. A UFC fighter, their MMA training, is the most complete in regard to unarmed combat and no Kimbo bred back yard brawler or any black-belt in TMA will stand a chance (other than pure luck) against a professional MMA fighter.

The only thing that really detracts from street fighting reality has nothing to do with the techniques allowed or not allowed but rather the time limits and weight classes. And LOL @ Dim Mak strikes. I sent for that course from "Count Dante" when I was about nine years old.

A fighter fights like they train.  When you are always pulling your punches as far as techniques you aren't going to undo that in the heat of battle.

Count Dante was a joke (although a real fighter who was involved in a real fight to the death with another dojo) but Dim Mak is real.  It's mostly Chinese fighters in the internal arts that still practice it.  It is illegal to use those strikes in MMA so it works.  I've been knocked out by one before.

[joswift]

A fighter fights like they train.  When you are always pulling your punches as far as techniques you aren't going to undo that in the heat of battle.

Count Dante was a joke (although a real fighter who was involved in a real fight to the death with another dojo) but Dim Mak is real.  It's mostly Chinese fighters in the internal arts that still practice it.  It is illegal to use those strikes in MMA so it works.  I've been knocked out by one before.

if it was real then people would be killing each other with a touch by accident all the time

[OneMoreRep]

Well, since no one here actually knew Bruce Lee intimately in such a way that would allow for his deepest secrets to be known, none of us will ever truly know whether he used steroids or not.

There's only two people that would know whether Bruce used steroids. One is Bruce, but he isn't answering calls right now. The other would be his dealer.

What he certainly did was entertain us with his movies. He made his genre stand out and gathered quite the following. Unlike some, I think he would have gotten killed if he ever truly fought against professional fighters (Ali, Foreman etc). Since professional MMA wasn't exactly a "thing" during his time, it's also purely postulation as to whether he would have done well in MMA as a true professional fighter.

"1"

[Kwon]

There still are no real fight competitions.  The really good techniques are not allowed even in the UFC.  Eye gouging, fish hooking, groin strikes, throat strikes, dim mak strikes, small joint manipulation, etc, are all illegal because people would get seriously injured.  As fun as it is to watch mixed martial arts it is still just a sport.  Prison yard fights are probably the most realistic "no holds barred" fights in existence.  BJJ doesn't do a person much good there.

Truth

[OneMoreRep]

There still are no real fight competitions.  The really good techniques are not allowed even in the UFC.  Eye gouging, fish hooking, groin strikes, throat strikes, dim mak strikes, small joint manipulation, etc, are all illegal because people would get seriously injured.  As fun as it is to watch mixed martial arts it is still just a sport.  Prison yard fights are probably the most realistic "no holds barred" fights in existence.  BJJ doesn't do a person much good there.

Thank you. For years, I've been a strong advocate for filming and airing those prison yard fights. We pay to keep those upstanding citizens housed in jails, fed, educated, sexually satisfied (via their room mates). Also, by keeping those slavesprisoners well fed (thereby strong), they in turn are used for cheap labor to build pieces of major infrastructure within cities. There are major companies that bid for those contracts in order to make a shitload of money.

Why can't we the taxpayers get some level of entertainment? Why can't we get some return on our investment via entertainment?

"1"

[Humble Narcissist]

if it was real then people would be killing each other with a touch by accident all the time

It takes more than a touch to kill, or even knock someone out but people get knocked out all the time by these strikes.  A shot to the temple is an example.

[IroNat]

Bruce Lee was lightning fast so it's very possible he would connect with one of his eye jabs.

If he did, even a much larger opponent like Ali would be incapacitated to the extent that Lee could finish him off.

Obviously, he would be at a great disadvantage trading traditional boxing strikes with a much larger opponent.

[Humble Narcissist]

Thank you. For years, I've been a strong advocate for filming and airing those prison yard fights. We pay to keep those upstanding citizens housed in jails, fed, educated, sexually satisfied (via their room mates). Also, by keeping those slavesprisoners well fed (thereby strong), they in turn are used for cheap labor to build pieces of major infrastructure within cities. There are major companies that bid for those contracts in order to make a shitload of money.

Why can't we the taxpayers get some level of entertainment? Why can't we get some return on our investment via entertainment?

"1"

Go to Youtube and look under "prison yard fights" or "real street fights" and they have several unless they took them down.  They are brutal fights caught on surveillance cameras.

[OneMoreRep]

Go to Youtube and look under "prison yard fights" or "real street fights" and they have several unless they took them down.  They are brutal fights caught on surveillance cameras.

But I want a better production. You follow? I want the warden to organize these things.

Two inmates have a legitimate problem? Instead of letting one kill the other in the showers or laundry room, let's instead allow these men to settle their differences in the cage.

"1"

[Humble Narcissist]

But I want a better production. You follow? I want the warden to organize these things.

Two inmates have a legitimate problem? Instead of letting one kill the other in the showers or laundry room, let's instead allow these men to settle their differences in the cage.

"1"

Watch the Van Damme movie:  Death Warrant 

[IroNat]

But I want a better production. You follow? I want the warden to organize these things.

Two inmates have a legitimate problem? Instead of letting one kill the other in the showers or laundry room, let's instead allow these men to settle their differences in the cage.

"1"

In addition, why not have "prisoners vs. guards" sporting competitions?

Some suggestions for such:

Football
basketball
baseball
foosball
golf
tennis
equestrian

Here are two death row inmates who participated in the most recent San Quentin/Attica equestrian competition...

[Kwon]

They should invent a new law: (for the US)

If someone having a problem with someone (let's say a redneck is assaulting a beanster or a canadian etc), he/she will be transported to a special room and sentenced to fight against Cswol.

Door is locked shut until only one stands.

If Cswol isn't available for that encounter, he can be replaced with Darren Avey, Marty Falcone, Vissy, Chad Mower, PrimeHustle, KetoKid, Rk, ialin, Straw Fag, Roastbeef Pecs or ElPolloSalmonella.

[pellius]

A fighter fights like they train.  When you are always pulling your punches as far as techniques you aren't going to undo that in the heat of battle.

Count Dante was a joke (although a real fighter who was involved in a real fight to the death with another dojo) but Dim Mak is real.  It's mostly Chinese fighters in the internal arts that still practice it.  It is illegal to use those strikes in MMA so it works.  I've been knocked out by one before.

Are you imply MMA fighters "pull" their punches? Oh, and I forgot that Dim Mak is indeed real. I didn't think so until after I saw "Kill Bill".

[pellius]

It takes more than a touch to kill, or even knock someone out but people get knocked out all the time by these strikes.  A shot to the temple is an example.

Yup, knocked out by Dim Mak -- "All the time"

Since it is so frequent how many times have you personally witnessed this?

[escrima]

In addition, why not have "prisoners vs. guards" sporting competitions?

Some suggestions for such:

Football
basketball
baseball
foosball
golf
tennis
equestrian

Here are two death row inmates who participated in the most recent San Quentin/Attica equestrian competition...

Why not Films of them bumming each other in the showers? 😂

[Humble Narcissist]

Are you imply MMA fighters "pull" their punches? Oh, and I forgot that Dim Mak is indeed real. I didn't think so until after I saw "Kill Bill".

I clearly stated pulling their punches on techniques like eye gouging.  I'm surprised someone like you who has trained in martial arts for years has never learned pressure points of the body.  Check out some Erle Montague videos.

[escrima]

Check out Bruce lee @ 1:42