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Re: Vote by Mail
« Reply #25 on: August 20, 2020, 11:19:47 AM »
Oregon has been voting by mail since November 3, 1998 - Oregon voters decide to expand VBM to primary and general elections by a vote of 757,204 to 334,021. Or for the past 22 years. -Seems to work just fine. Those folks who wait too long to mail in their ballot or would rather vote at the polls may still do so.
Oregon is a very blue state so there is never a question of a close vote.  In some states a few thousand or even hundred votes (Florida 2000) can swing the state.

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Re: Vote by Mail
« Reply #26 on: August 20, 2020, 11:21:36 AM »
Oregon is a very blue state so there is never a question of a close vote.  In some states a few thousand or even hundred votes (Florida 2000) can swing the state.

seems like you would want a paper trail for a really close vote

no bullshit with voting machines that flip votes or don't work

guess what, vote by mail is All PAPERTRAIL

problem solved

you're welcome

Humble Narcissist

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Re: Vote by Mail
« Reply #27 on: August 20, 2020, 11:24:16 AM »
seems like you would want a paper trail for a really close vote

no bullshit with voting machines that flip votes or don't work

guess what, vote by mail is All PAPERTRAIL

problem solved

you're welcome
There is a paper trail with voting machines.  You need to look into how modern voting machines work.

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Re: Vote by Mail
« Reply #28 on: August 20, 2020, 11:40:36 AM »
Liberal voters are too lazy to drive or walk a block to cast their vote.  That tells you the enthusiasm for Biden.

This

You’d think they’d be willing to walk over dead bodies to get rid of Trump.

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Re: Vote by Mail
« Reply #29 on: August 20, 2020, 11:44:54 AM »
seems like you would want a paper trail for a really close vote

no bullshit with voting machines that flip votes or don't work

guess what, vote by mail is All PAPERTRAIL

problem solved

you're welcome

It's paper but it doesn't mean it's legit.

Counterfeit money is paper but it's not legit.

Not only do mail in ballots get faked they also get lost on purpose.

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Re: Vote by Mail
« Reply #30 on: August 20, 2020, 01:49:06 PM »
It's paper but it doesn't mean it's legit.

Counterfeit money is paper but it's not legit.

Not only do mail in ballots get faked they also get lost on purpose.


Fake as Straws medical certificate  :D

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Re: Vote by Mail
« Reply #31 on: August 20, 2020, 02:09:45 PM »
Well one thing is true about Nancy Pelosi’s fake USPS drama.

President Donald Trump’s Executive Order was literally him taking a HUGE shit down her throat and beating her feeble brain in again!

Poor Nancy, smells like stale piss and week old diapers.

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Re: Vote by Mail
« Reply #32 on: August 20, 2020, 02:14:49 PM »
Well one thing is true about Nancy Pelosi’s fake USPS drama.

President Donald Trump’s Executive Order was literally him taking a HUGE shit down her throat and beating her feeble brain in again!

Poor Nancy, smells like stale piss and week old diapers.

Dr.Fake is Nancy's vagina medico  :-[

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Re: Vote by Mail
« Reply #33 on: August 20, 2020, 04:50:06 PM »
There is a paper trail with voting machines.  You need to look into how modern voting machines work.

did you get a a receipt or proof of your vote preferences

If not, how do you know it wasn't changed


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Re: Vote by Mail
« Reply #34 on: August 20, 2020, 05:18:48 PM »
If you think mail in voting results in fraud then you should welcome it because mail in voting has a PAPER TRAIL

IF there is fraud we will be able to actually prove it and eliminate the fraudulent votes

Of course we have many states who do all their voting by mail so we already know there is very little fraud

It's BIZZARO tha the President of the United States of America is suing states to prevent them from expanding mail in voting

It's make ZERO SENSE unless of course his goal to to suppress legitimate voters from casting a ballot




And what’s the big problem in voting in person with ID.
For all those that can.
No ID no Vote. Is that something you also disagree with if so Why. ?


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Re: Vote by Mail
« Reply #35 on: August 21, 2020, 03:19:04 AM »
did you get a a receipt or proof of your vote preferences

If not, how do you know it wasn't changed
Because you can check the digital before finishing.  It then is printed right in front of you.  It's funny how you don't trust machines printing the results in front of you but do trust a mail in ballot that you will never see who records it or even if it is recorded.

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Re: Vote by Mail
« Reply #36 on: August 21, 2020, 05:05:08 AM »
Oops



Judge invalidates Paterson, NJ, city council election after allegations of mail-in voter fraud - CNNPolitics


https://www.cnn.com/2020/08/20/politics/paterson-new-jersey-city-council-voter-fraud/index.html

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Re: Vote by Mail
« Reply #37 on: August 21, 2020, 05:47:03 AM »
who gives a shit if YOU think there is no reason

what YOU think is not a criteria

Did you read your own fucking link?

Those absentee ballots should be counted (unless of course there is proof of fraud)

You’re right, they should. One in five tossed out in the trash, and now they had to file suit against the Board of Elections to get them to count? How long will this take to “get it right”? Seems to me the easiest way is to just go cast a ballot in person. I’ve never waited more than five minutes to cast my vote and I live in a city of over half a million people.

I’m not so sure that voting will be rife with fraud if there’s mail ins, it’s just a cumbersome process that can be eliminated by showing up to the poll.

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Re: Vote by Mail
« Reply #38 on: August 21, 2020, 10:07:57 AM »
You’re right, they should. One in five tossed out in the trash, and now they had to file suit against the Board of Elections to get them to count? How long will this take to “get it right”? Seems to me the easiest way is to just go cast a ballot in person. I’ve never waited more than five minutes to cast my vote and I live in a city of over half a million people.

I’m not so sure that voting will be rife with fraud if there’s mail ins, it’s just a cumbersome process that can be eliminated by showing up to the poll.

It's a hell of a lot easier to drop a ballot in the mail than to drive somewhere (or take a bus or two) and then stand in line for hours....right?

Regarding those ballots I again point you to an excerpt from the story you posted since you chose to clip it  out of my post when you replied

Here's the part you chose to keep: 

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Those absentee ballots should be counted (unless of course there is proof of fraud)

and here's the part you chose to delete

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On Thursday, the four candidates called on the BOE to count every absentee ballot that was invalidated because the U.S. Postal Service did not postmark the envelope or because the BOE received the ballots after June 30.

“Put bluntly: A missing postmark, over which voters had no control, should not disenfranchise those voters,” the candidates wrote.







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Re: Vote by Mail
« Reply #39 on: August 21, 2020, 10:36:42 AM »
Oops



Judge invalidates Paterson, NJ, city council election after allegations of mail-in voter fraud - CNNPolitics


https://www.cnn.com/2020/08/20/politics/paterson-new-jersey-city-council-voter-fraud/index.html

perfect example of how hard it is to  get away with voter fraud by mail

the evidence is always there

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Re: Vote by Mail
« Reply #40 on: August 21, 2020, 11:08:50 AM »
It's a hell of a lot easier to drop a ballot in the mail than to drive somewhere (or take a bus or two) and then stand in line for hours....right?

Yes, of course it’s easier to mail something than to take time out of your day to go somewhere. But, it’s a moot point if the USPS doesn’t do their job properly and the votes aren’t counted.

Regarding those ballots I again point you to an excerpt from the story you posted since you chose to clip it  out of my post when you replied

Here's the part you chose to keep: 

and here's the part you chose to delete

No portion of your post was deleted, the quote function doesn’t allow a quote of a quote. Maybe take that up with Ron in the suggestions board. I did however address that portion, when I said it should’ve never came to suing the BOE just to get those votes counted. They shouldn’t have been tossed in the first place, and only were rejected because someone didn’t do their job and post-mark the envelopes

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Re: Vote by Mail
« Reply #41 on: August 21, 2020, 11:33:39 AM »
It's a hell of a lot easier to drop a ballot in the mail than to drive somewhere (or take a bus or two) and then stand in line for hours....right?

Yes, of course it’s easier to mail something than to take time out of your day to go somewhere. But, it’s a moot point if the USPS doesn’t do their job properly and the votes aren’t counted.

Regarding those ballots I again point you to an excerpt from the story you posted since you chose to clip it  out of my post when you replied

Here's the part you chose to keep:

and here's the part you chose to delete

No portion of your post was deleted, the quote function doesn’t allow a quote of a quote. Maybe take that up with Ron in the suggestions board. I did however address that portion, when I said it should’ve never came to suing the BOE just to get those votes counted. They shouldn’t have been tossed in the first place, and only were rejected because someone didn’t do their job and post-mark the envelopes

yeah, I see what you mean about the quote thing
not sure what is going on there

Question - Why wouldn't the USPS do their job properly

Do you know how much mail they deliver every day.
Do you know how much mail they deliver during the two week before Christmas

It's many many times larger than the approximately 70 million TOTAL votes in a typical election (and of course not all of those are mailed in)

The USPS can do their job just fine....just like they have for 100+ years


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Re: Vote by Mail
« Reply #42 on: August 21, 2020, 01:31:12 PM »
yeah, I see what you mean about the quote thing
not sure what is going on there

Question - Why wouldn't the USPS do their job properly

Do you know how much mail they deliver every day.
Do you know how much mail they deliver during the two week before Christmas

It's many many times larger than the approximately 70 million TOTAL votes in a typical election (and of course not all of those are mailed in)

The USPS can do their job just fine....just like they have for 100+ years

I’m not sure why they didn’t, but in the article were bantering back and forth about it said USPS did not post mark 20% of the mail in votes. That’s a pretty big portion, and unless they can bring those numbers down quite a bit, it’s not a better system for voting.

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Re: Vote by Mail
« Reply #43 on: August 21, 2020, 01:37:22 PM »


Dr.Fake, just another depressive episode in your life :P :-[ :-\


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Re: Vote by Mail
« Reply #44 on: August 21, 2020, 04:13:38 PM »

And what’s the big problem in voting in person with ID.
For all those that can.
No ID no Vote. Is that something you also disagree with if so Why. ?

In Oregon, ballots are only mailed to registered voters. Each registered voter get one ballot. If you've never voted before, when you register, you have to show your ID.

Here's a guide for first time voters:

When you register to vote or vote for the first time in a federal election in your state, you must prove who you are:

* If you register to vote in person, you must show a driver’s license, state ID, or provide the last 4 digits of your social security number (SSN), if you have one.

* If you registered by mail and did not include your state’s driver’s license number or the last 4 digits of your SSN, you must show an acceptable form of ID (see below) at your polling place.

*If you apply for an absentee/vote by mail ballot and did not include your state’s driver’s license number or the last 4 digits of your SSN when you registered by mail, you must include a copy of an acceptable ID.

https://www.voteriders.org/ufaqs/oregon-voter-id-information/

I suppose that it is possible that someone could vote using someone else's ballot and forge their signature. County elections officials trained
in signature verification match the signature on every ballot to the signature on file for the voter.

There are a number of safe guards in place to insure everyone who gets a ballot is entitled to one. When someone dies, their death records are sent to the state and their name is removed. If they've moved and not re-registered, no ballot will be sent out. If someone has not voted for a specified time period, no ballot will be sent out.

Considering all of the above, the likelihood of voter fraud is almost nil. I suppose a husband could vote for his wife as long as she signs the ballot or he is adept at forging her signature. If a ballot is sent to an address where  the person no longer resides and the recipient decides to mark the ballot. However, there is almost zero chance a stranger can forge someone signature if they've never seen it.

One can still vote at the polls on election day if they've failed to get their ballot mailed in on time. However, you must have turned in your registration 21 days before the election. Oregon does not allow same day registering.

One way there can be fraud is in counting the vote. The former Clackamas County elections employee who was caught marking at least two ballots cast in last fall’s election will spend 90 days in jail after pleading guilty to official misconduct and unlawfully altering a cast ballot. She was also fined $13,000. She was marking the Republican candidate if the voter hadn't voted for either candidate.

https://www.bizjournals.com/portland/news/2013/04/25/clackamas-election-worker-gets.html

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Re: Vote by Mail
« Reply #45 on: September 05, 2020, 04:48:12 AM »
Dan Clifton, a strategist with Strategas Research said Democrats could end up hurting themselves if they choose to vote through mail-in ballots, as that dramatically increases chances of error and delays the process.

https://markets.businessinsider.com/news/stocks/sp-500-predicted-us-election-winner-nearly-100-years-2020-9-1029564774#

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Re: Vote by Mail
« Reply #46 on: September 05, 2020, 05:57:08 AM »
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Ask Trump.  Since he is encouraging people to vote more than once he should know.

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Re: Vote by Mail
« Reply #47 on: September 05, 2020, 03:01:07 PM »

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Re: Vote by Mail
« Reply #48 on: September 08, 2020, 01:37:02 PM »
Dan Clifton, a strategist with Strategas Research said Democrats could end up hurting themselves if they choose to vote through mail-in ballots, as that dramatically increases chances of error and delays the process.

https://markets.businessinsider.com/news/stocks/sp-500-predicted-us-election-winner-nearly-100-years-2020-9-1029564774#

In battlegrounds, absentee ballot rejections could triple

Thousands of absentee ballots get rejected in every presidential election. This year, that problem could be much worse and potentially pivotal in hotly contested battleground states.

With the coronavirus creating a surge in mail-in balloting and postal delays reported across the country, the number of rejected ballots in November is projected to be significantly higher than previous elections.

If ballots are rejected at the same rate as during this year's primaries, up to three times as many voters in November could be disenfranchised in key battleground states when compared to the last presidential election, according to an Associated Press analysis of rejected ballots. It could be even more pronounced in some urban areas where Democratic votes are concentrated and ballot rejection rates trended higher during this year’s primaries.

Ballot rejections occur even under the best of circumstances. They go uncounted because they arrived too late in the mail, voters forgot to sign them or signatures didn't match the one on file at local election offices.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/battlegrounds-absentee-ballot-rejections-could-133648141.html