Paul Dilette - Freak

[Van_Bilderass]

I don't know if it is that much of a lost cause as you imply. Arnold, as an advance bber made a huge change in his calves. Phil Heath as a pro brought up his back to make it a strong point, meaning that although his overall proportions increased, his back more so making it stand out more. Jay Cutler the same. Compare his back in 2001, when he was a breath away from being Mr. O to what it was later in his career.

I'll have to search for pics to compare. Which year did Jay's back look particularly improved?

[Grape Ape]

Dillet had a poor back due to genetics, nothing else. If it was due to shoulder issues it would have affected the shoulders and pecs just the same.
And I'm sure the shoulder issues weren't there, at least to the same extent, earlier in his career, yet the back was always way small.
If someone has a bad bodypart it's rarely or never due to lack of "mind muscle connection". I have often made the claim that someone who is already an advanced amateur or pro never ever changes his proportions or makes a weak bodypart strong. It's pathetic seeing trainers and the clients say they are bringing up this or that bodypart, when does it ever work? Often they even post pics claiming they brought something up but you can't actually see it if you are honest. The only way something comes up is if they increased their overall size.... but then the proportions still stay the same. This is a major pet peeve of mine, like telling Dennis Wolf to bring up his lower lats - only an idiot thinks he had no lower lats due to not activating the area properly. I see these ideas by  pros and amateurs accounts on IG all day long and no one ever says it's hopeless, genes are a bitch 

Guys are going to Gold's to be trained by Charles Glass doing some stupid weird movements thinking this will change their genetic shape. It never worked and never will. You can maybe play with some site enhancements and hope it will look ok, or like I said before, just get bigger overall so you are so overwhelmingly big the judges will not care about you crappy calves or whatever. Calves are the prime example of how much genes matter - those with insane calves often never even train them, and the ones with shit calves shoot them up - soo many examples of syntholed calves; Ronnie, Dex, and half the Olympia lineup.

Milos did some insane training, hitting each muscle from 100 angles, yet he still felt he had to Synthol his arms because nothing was happening. Or  maybe his mind muscle connection was poor 

I expect some pushback on this post. Please change my mind or tell me I'm an idiot 

Made a similar point on page one and it got somebody upset.

I know guys like Yates, etc made improvements after turning pro. But Dorian had shape and detail, so it could have been neglect early on or that everything got bigger.  Dillet pretty much had every other body part developed fantastically, so I have a hard time believing concentrating on isolation/contraction would have made any difference, especially when view the shape of it.

[theworm]

Any idea of his cycles?


Lee priest claimed when they were roommates dillet used little, often less than female competitors.   Lee would say they stared at a syringe of winny for a while before someone used it

[pellius]

I'll have to search for pics to compare. Which year did Jay's back look particularly improved?

In the first side by side set you can see the difference everywhere which I know is one of your points: an advance bber can get bigger all over but can't change natural proportions. One would have to have a very discerning eye, or "wishful" eye to determine if his back improved proportionately more than the others.



In the next set where he is closer in bodyweight, which was pretty consistent throughout his career (except in 2009) you can see in the second pic that he has more fullness in his traps all the way down to the middle back and his lats are wider. They jut out more at it's widest or peaked position as it were. That is one thing I thought was most noticeable later in his career. The way his lats flared out more when doing a front double bi, which, ironically, can't see to find.

[Van_Bilderass]

In the first side by side set you can see the difference everywhere which I know is one of your points: an advance bber can get bigger all over but can't change natural proportions. One would have to have a very discerning eye, or "wishful" eye to determine if his back improved proportionately more than the others.


In the next set where he is closer in bodyweight, which was pretty consistent throughout his career (except in 2009) you can see in the second pic that he has more fullness in his traps all the way down to the middle back and his lats are wider. They jut out more at it's widest or peaked position as it were. That is one thing I thought was most noticeable later in his career. The way his lats flared out more when doing a front double bi, which, ironically, can't see to find.

Thanks for the pics. You could be right about the traps or the flare on the lats but for me it's very hard to draw those conclusions just based on this. And the reason is that the pics are not taken at exactly the same angle in the second set. He is crunching his back more in the first pic there also.
The first set is so similar that it could have been taken on the same day as far as I'm concerned, are you sure it's not? 
It could be predjudge vs. night show where he combed up his hair

Fans often see major differences between predjudging and night show too, and even there I think the differences might be mostly imaginary as you can't compare side by side but go by memory. Hell, some feel the physiques change drastically within 10 minutes during the rounds. 

Anyhow, Dillet's back was so comparatively small that he could have added an inch of lat mass and it still would have been undersized.

Someone in this thread said Lee P said Dillet shot a lot of shit at random. Where did he say this? I remember an early interview where Lee swore Dillet used very little gear and the two of them would skip shots for days - and Lee knew this because they were roommates. I read some claim that Dillet only used Anadrol off season, nothing else. Whatever the truth, Dillet had alien genetics for most bodyparts.
*edit: noticed the worm already said the same things above*

[Van_Bilderass]

Made a similar point on page one and it got somebody upset.

I know guys like Yates, etc made improvements after turning pro. But Dorian had shape and detail, so it could have been neglect early on or that everything got bigger.  Dillet pretty much had every other body part developed fantastically, so I have a hard time believing concentrating on isolation/contraction would have made any difference, especially when view the shape of it.

Bodybuilders will fight this type of perspective because they want to think they have a chance at making major changes.
Later on they will then convince themselves that they did make those changes even if they aren't really there. And they will be told this by fans and yes-men too.
Sure, if I were a pro I would also prioritize weaknesses even if I knew the chances of making changes to proportions were small, you can always hope you were undertrained in certain areas.

[johnny1]

I think what made Sergio Oliva so impressive was his genetics, his extremely long muscle bellies and a very small waist.

In the photo below, it is later in his career and he has a torn left triceps but it barely makes a difference.

heres a photo from his physical prime 1971 that’s not so common it illustrates your point, it’s widely regarded that the 1972 Mr Olympia was Sergio’s best ever shape however there’s a case for the 1972 trip too Japan being the best he’s ever been where he guess posed onstage @ a exhibition I don’t think he ever regained that combination of size, fullness and conditioning

[honest]

You can't outgrow your genetic shape, but Charles is very good at maximising your genetic potential, he acts like an exercise engineer, but he did everything he could with Dillet, his delts and arms overpowered everything, and in this instance i dont think Dorian could have done more, Paul did all the elbow fixed arm type stuff he just had narrow shallow long lats in comparison to his arms and delts, like Nasser and Strydom he was right in the mix as they were until they all turned around.

Never did quite understand the hate on Charles, he's hard working humble guy, just keeps to himself, imo a good guy he's just making a living.

[Vince B]

I put Sergio on One Mile Beach at Foster, NSW.

[harmankardon1]

You can't outgrow your genetic shape, but Charles is very good at maximising your genetic potential, he acts like an exercise engineer, but he did everything he could with Dillet, his delts and arms overpowered everything, and in this instance i dont think Dorian could have done more, Paul did all the elbow fixed arm type stuff he just had narrow shallow long lats in comparison to his arms and delts, like Nasser and Strydom he was right in the mix as they were until they all turned around.

Never did quite understand the hate on Charles, he's hard working humble guy, just keeps to himself, imo a good guy he's just making a living.

It wasn't Charles fault... It was dillets, it wasn't a physical issue, maybe there was a minor shoulder injury and lack of flexibility, but had dillet approached it as a professional and not a retard could have fixed the issue.

Some obvious things that disprove dillets excuses for his shit back.....

If dillet had a major shoulder issue, it would be obvious on other parts of his body... It was not.

Dillet had enormous rear delts, this shows they were taking all the load when he was training back and further proof the shoulders themselves were not the major issue.

The truth is dillet was a retard that couldn't flex his back.....

I remember in an old muscle mag when dillet made the comeback in early 2000's when he was asked about how he was going to improve his back he said something to the effect of " it doesn't matter because I will beat everyone in all the other poses if you win 5 of 7 who cares... You win" , this was his moronic attitude.

[pellius]

Thanks for the pics. You could be right about the traps or the flare on the lats but for me it's very hard to draw those conclusions just based on this. And the reason is that the pics are not taken at exactly the same angle in the second set. He is crunching his back more in the first pic there also.
The first set is so similar that it could have been taken on the same day as far as I'm concerned, are you sure it's not? 
It could be predjudge vs. night show where he combed up his hair

Fans often see major differences between predjudging and night show too, and even there I think the differences might be mostly imaginary as you can't compare side by side but go by memory. Hell, some feel the physiques change drastically within 10 minutes during the rounds. 

Anyhow, Dillet's back was so comparatively small that he could have added an inch of lat mass and it still would have been undersized.

Someone in this thread said Lee P said Dillet shot a lot of shit at random. Where did he say this? I remember an early interview where Lee swore Dillet used very little gear and the two of them would skip shots for days - and Lee knew this because they were roommates. I read some claim that Dillet only used Anadrol off season, nothing else. Whatever the truth, Dillet had alien genetics for most bodyparts.
*edit: noticed the worm already said the same things above*

Of course, it is very hard to tell because the difference is so subtle and more so as the physique grows more advance. But I do know this about Jay because he said so, he said that he realized Ronnie destroyed him in the back shots so he had to, and did bring his back up, and if he said so you know it has to be true. 

I've read about how Dillet pumped in whatever he could get his hands on and also that he used very little relatively speaking. In fact, these two contradicting view points are said on this very thread so who knows.

Lee P has a lot of interesting Dillette stories. Basically he was all drugs. Would jab himself with whatever he could get his hands on.

Any idea of his cycles?


Lee priest claimed when they were roommates dillet used little, often less than female competitors.   Lee would say they stared at a syringe of winny for a while before someone used it

[joswift]

Lee P has a lot of interesting Dillette stories. Basically he was all drugs. Would jab himself with whatever he could get his hands on.

a video I saw of Lee talking about him said the Paul hated doing shots and often missed them

[harmankardon1]

Priest is a total shit talker when it comes to drugs I wouldn't believe a word.

I remember a story from Peter mcgough that when dillet saw the 93 dorian pics he doubled all his doses. Wether this is an exaggeration or not doesn't matter it implied that dillet wasn't going easy on the roids.

And look at his physique ffs that is a heavy dose physique, you don't get a build like that on a gram or two a week, no matter how genetically talented you are.

[Flexacon]

a video I saw of Lee talking about him said the Paul hated doing shots and often missed them

The stories I heard and this was from someone who spent time with Lee in the UK a few years ago about Dillet was a little different.

Dillet would find out someone had a new source or drug and he'd go try get his hand on the same stuff. He would also only really bother training (if you can call it that) if he was on what he believed was an amazing drug cocktail.

As harman said just look at his physique and bodybuilding career and it isn't difficult to work out which version of events is likely to be true.

[Ronnie Rep]

I know from someone who knew Dillet's gear supplier in Florida, that he owed him money when he left and went to Cali.

[AbrahamG]

I don't know if it is that much of a lost cause as you imply. Arnold, as an advance bber made a huge change in his calves. Phil Heath as a pro brought up his back to make it a strong point, meaning that although his overall proportions increased, his back more so making it stand out more. Jay Cutler the same. Compare his back in 2001, when he was a breath away from being Mr. O to what it was later in his career.

Your calves would be a good example too. Not being a dick. Totally serious.

[NarcissisticDeity]

Superheavyweight , middleweight's back 

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[pamith]

Saw him training once at Gold's Venice... the laziest trainer I ever saw.  Light weights too.  Wasn't even breathing hard after his sets.  I don't understand how he was able to get so big training like a little girl.  Very weak-minded.  He would've been unbeatable if he had Arnold's drive and determination.

The irony is that training extremely hard is counterproductive in the long run, because you throw your body into overtraining state and then you can't grow. One of the reasons he was so massive is because he didn't train extremely hard all the time

[pamith]

No muscles last.  In the end, we are all just dust in the wind.

Bro...

[pellius]

The irony is that training extremely hard is counterproductive in the long run, because you throw your body into overtraining state and then you can't grow. One of the reasons he was so massive is because he didn't train extremely hard all the time

What? Have you factored in frequency? You think if you train balls to the wall until you collapes but do it Mentzer style during his crazy years and only do it once or twice a month you will over train?

The other aspects to HIT wasn't just intensity but frequency and duration. Both drastically reduced to accommodate the intensity. I believe in the Colorado experiment every training session was under a half an hour.

[pamith]

What? Have you factored in frequency? You think if you train balls to the wall until you collapes but do it Mentzer style during his crazy years and only do it once or twice a month you will over train?

The other aspects to HIT wasn't just intensity but frequency and duration. Both drastically reduced to accommodate the intensity. I believe in the Colorado experiment every training session was under a half an hour.

Maybe you know something that I don't know

[Rambone]

Maybe you bro something that I don't bro...

Bro...

[honest]

It wasn't Charles fault... It was dillets, it wasn't a physical issue, maybe there was a minor shoulder injury and lack of flexibility, but had dillet approached it as a professional and not a retard could have fixed the issue.

Some obvious things that disprove dillets excuses for his shit back.....

If dillet had a major shoulder issue, it would be obvious on other parts of his body... It was not.

Dillet had enormous rear delts, this shows they were taking all the load when he was training back and further proof the shoulders themselves were not the major issue.

The truth is dillet was a retard that couldn't flex his back.....

I remember in an old muscle mag when dillet made the comeback in early 2000's when he was asked about how he was going to improve his back he said something to the effect of " it doesn't matter because I will beat everyone in all the other poses if you win 5 of 7 who cares... You win" , this was his moronic attitude.

It was a total physical issue, have a look at the supporting photos around his insertions and structure, like Nasser and Strydom, if the cells aren't there on a muscle that size being back your not going to make it to the top, you can shoot arms, delts, calves, and Nasser even his lats, but you cannot grow what you don't have when it comes to back.

As for Lee he's 100 percent on when it comes  to Dillet he didn't like shots, he was as lazy with that as he was training and even eating, he never ate more than once a day, whether this was from his guts and liver being shot from pre contest anapolan and halotestin or something else who knows. But what Paul did worked for Paul, he has probably the best genetic response to gear of all the guys from that era, he just didnt have the back structure to support what was otherwise a massive freaky physique. Don't let the side and rear delts fool you either, when he could be bothered thats where it mostly went. He did half of what Flex and the others did, its wasn't nothing either, well maybe by Getbig standards where everyone 200 plus pounds is on 10 grams, your talking about the best guys in the world in the best era, they were all genetic freaks even factoring in all the mgs and ius. Unfortunately not everyone can look like they did