Health report - John Meadows - Good news/Bad news

[BB]

Wow - so it is a thing - who knew?  Probably all of you LOL...

(emphasis mine)

Muscle dysmorphia is a subtype of the obsessive mental disorder body dysmorphic disorder, but is often also grouped with eating disorders.[1][2] In muscle dysmorphia, which is sometimes called "bigorexia", "megarexia", or "reverse anorexia", the delusional or exaggerated belief is that one's own body is too small, too skinny, insufficiently muscular, or insufficiently lean, although in most cases, the individual's build is normal or even exceptionally large and muscular already.[1][3]

There were two big books done on it and male bodybuilding populations in the 90's. One was called "Little Big Men" by Alan Klein, the other, "The Adonis Complex" by Harrison Pope. As of a few years ago, they were still well thought of, and widely quoted in academic circles. The "Little Big Men" is a little more bodybuilding centric.

Here's a fun paper by Pope on male body image and children's toys -

http://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc/download?doi=10.1.1.507.3004&rep=rep1&type=pdf .

[mphgrove]

Most doctors barely think about bigorexia (unlike anorexia). They might have heard the term but that’s about it. But if you consider “interfering with social relationships“, etc. as stated above, and then look at all the underemployment, mooching off girlfriends, g4pay, etc, etc. that goes on in segments of the bodybuilding community, all of a sudden maybe the doctors should get themselves more aware of it, beyond just heart, kidneys, the usual physical aspects.

[Flexacon]

That Doc seemed very switched on, but also a bit of schome.

I would lean towards his advice to wait to see if Ejection Fraction improves. I recently saw a 75 yearolds ejection fraction improve post heart failure from high teens to back over 50!

[oldtimer1]

Casey Viator said on a thread all his blood test came back great. Soon after he was dead from a heart attack. More to health than blood tests. The heart is a muscle and it needs to be strong. What is your resting heart rate? The slower the heart rate the stronger the heart. How quick does your heart rate come down after exertion? What's your blood pressure? What's your vo2 max? How much visceral fat do you have?

Someone gave great advice on a previous post on this thread. Start walking for an hour a day. Your heart muscle will thank you. One of the first things they do after a heart attack is to put you on a treadmill walking program to strengthen the heart. Of course if you're cleared by the cardiologist for that physical therapy.

[pellius]

Casey Viator said on a thread all his blood test came back great. Soon after he was dead from a heart attack. More to health than blood tests. The heart is a muscle and it needs to be strong. What is your resting heart rate? The slower the heart rate the stronger the heart. How quick does your heart rate come down after exertion? What's your blood pressure? What's your vo2 max? How much visceral fat do you have?

Someone gave great advice on a previous post on this thread. Start walking for an hour a day. Your heart muscle will thank you. One of the first things they do after a heart attack is to put you on a treadmill walking program to strengthen the heart. Of course if you're cleared by the cardiologist for that physical therapy.

I didn't realize until much later in life how important this aspect is to heart conditioning.
That it's not so much how much your heart rate rises upon exertion (though this is important too) as you need that additional blood flow and supply but how fast it goes back to normal.

[IroNat]

If you've been on trt or using gear for extended periods you can't stop using because your testes have shut down.  You are now forced to get trt for the rest of your life.  The doctor talked about this.  Meadows stopped completely and his level was 53 which is like zero.  He castrated himself.  He's a eunuch.  The doc said it might come back over the course of a couple years, a couple years of feeling lousy.  Unless you really need trt stay away from it.  Likewise using steroids for extended periods.  Do short cycles and take long breaks or even better skip it completely.

[IroNat]

I didn't realize until much later in life how important this aspect is to heart conditioning.
That it's not so much how much your heart rate rises upon exertion (though this is important too) as you need that additional blood flow and supply but how fast it goes back to normal.

You can have a low heart rate and be cardio fit and still have a heart attack or stroke.  Jim Fixx proved that.  It's mostly genetic.

[pellius]

You can have a low heart rate and be cardio fit and still have a heart attack or stroke.  Jim Fixx proved that.  It's mostly genetic.

True. Genetics. It's amazing how much of your life is determined on the day you are born in just about every aspect of life.

[IroNat]

True. Genetics. It's amazing how much of your life is determined on the day you are born in just about every aspect of life.

Truth.

[Taffin]

Truth.

Word.

[IroNat]

Word.

Gospel.

[Humble Narcissist]

If you've been on trt or using gear for extended periods you can't stop using because your testes have shut down.  You are now forced to get trt for the rest of your life.  The doctor talked about this.  Meadows stopped completely and his level was 53 which is like zero.  He castrated himself.  He's a eunuch.  The doc said it might come back over the course of a couple years, a couple years of feeling lousy.  Unless you really need trt stay away from it.  Likewise using steroids for extended periods.  Do short cycles and take long breaks or even better skip it completely.

This is why I will never go on trt.

[Taffin]

If you've been on trt or using gear for extended periods you can't stop using because your testes have shut down.  You are now forced to get trt for the rest of your life.  The doctor talked about this.  Meadows stopped completely and his level was 53 which is like zero.  He castrated himself.  He's a eunuch.  The doc said it might come back over the course of a couple years, a couple years of feeling lousy.  Unless you really need trt stay away from it.  Likewise using steroids for extended periods.  Do short cycles and take long breaks or even better skip it completely.

What about a different approach?  Quick burst of HCG now and again instead of regular test shots


Edit: for an older guy who would have considered TRT but doesn't like the sound of the 'eunuch' part    (asking for a friend)

[Taffin]

There were two big books done on it and male bodybuilding populations in the 90's. One was called "Little Big Men" by Alan Klein, the other, "The Adonis Complex" by Harrison Pope. As of a few years ago, they were still well thought of, and widely quoted in academic circles. The "Little Big Men" is a little more bodybuilding centric.

Here's a fun paper by Pope on male body image and children's toys -

http://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc/download?doi=10.1.1.507.3004&rep=rep1&type=pdf .

Thanks - that paper is a great read

I remember the first set of He-Man toys and how they made my Action Man (the UK version of GI Joe) look slim - perhaps that was one of my triggers LOL 

(Skeletor - sorry to bring up your arch-enemy  )

[IroNat]

So did the stroke cause the lower Ejection Fraction?

Or did he have an impaired one before the stroke?

When you have a stroke or heart attack the blood supply to the heart can get shut off so some of the heart muscle is without oxygen and "dies".

[IroNat]

What about a different approach?  Quick burst of HCG now and again instead of regular test shots


Edit: for an older guy who would have considered TRT but doesn't like the sound of the 'eunuch' part    (asking for a friend)

I don't know.  The human body is really a carefully balanced system. It can take abuse up to a point like a car but if you want it to last you take care of it. When our cars run good we take them for granted but if we don't change the oil or do regular maintenance eventually you have problems.  You only have one body, you can't trade it in every few years.