Evan Centopani - Shoulder Workout - Current condition

[Flexacon]

Funny how the calves seem to get lost over the years on a lotta older athletes? Is there any scientific explanation for this?

I'm not sure, but I have a couple of theories.

A lot of guys with naturally big calves get that way because they walk more on their toes, rather than the ideal heel-toe walkers. The toe walking catches up with them as they get older and they develop debilitating cramps and pain in their calves making them less mobile and calves shrink.

In Evans case his shrinking calves is probably more related to his quad injury.

Forget all the above though when it comes to chinamen

[pellius]

They're all soft except Evan and hide..

Really? Amazing how people have different perspectives. Compare him to Markus for example since they are standing next to each other. To me, the quads on Ruhl are much more separated in addition to being more developed. Look at Ruhl's chest compare to Evans. Much bigger and with more striations and a distinct split between the upper and lower chest, none of which Evan has. Delts are about even but Ruhl's are larger. Abs are about even. Both deeply etched except Ruhl's are more developed. Compare the size of the ab "'cubes". Evan kills Markus in the arm department in that shot. Then there's just the overall impression. Ruhl dewarfs Evan.

[pellius]

Funny how the calves seem to get lost over the years on a lotta older athletes? Is there any scientific explanation for this?

I think legs in general are the first shrink with aging -- unless your name is Tom Platz. I still can't get over his quads at 65 years old.

[Flexacon]

Really? Amazing how people have different perspectives. Compare him to Markus for example since they are standing next to each other. To me, the quads on Ruhl are much more separated in addition to being more developed. Look at Ruhl's chest compare to Evans. Much bigger and with more striations and a distinct split between the upper and lower chest, none of which Evan has. Delts are about even but Ruhl's are larger. Abs are about even. Both deeply etched except Ruhl's are more developed. Compare the size of the ab "'cubes". Evan kills Markus in the arm department in that shot. Then there's just the overall impression. Ruhl dewarfs Evan.

Separation doesn't always equal hardness. Evan at his best has very grainy conditioning.

[pellius]

Separation doesn't always equal hardness. Evan at his best has very grainy conditioning.

I disagree. No way you can have clear muscle separation without low bodyfat and low fluid retention which equals conditioning in bbing terms. Graininess and vascularity is more of a genetic quality than muscle separation. Of all the Olympians only Dorian was grainy with maybe Ronnie to a much lesser extent. 

[Flexacon]

I disagree. No way you can have clear muscle separation without low bodyfat and low fluid retention which equals conditioning in bbing terms. Graininess and vascularity is more of a genetic quality than muscle separation. Of all the Olympians only Dorian was grainy with maybe Ronnie to a much lesser extent.

Jose Raymond is actually the best example of a guy who didn't have the best separation, but was grainy and vascular and looked hard.

Lionel beyeke is the best example of great muscle separation, but always looked soft.

[harmankardon1]

Separation doesn't always equal hardness. Evan at his best has very grainy conditioning.

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Pellius you are looking at separation not conditioning and hardness/dryness, evan was the driest of the group. This would be very noticeable in the rear shots.

[AbrahamG]

If Jose is done competing, it's time to downsize. Looks really heavy which is going to catch up with him.

[pellius]

Jose Raymond is actually the best example of a guy who didn't have the best separation, but was grainy and vascular and looked hard.

Lionel beyeke is the best example of great muscle separation, but always looked soft.

Ok, but I don't see how that proves your point unless you think all the Mr. Olympians were not in condition except Dorian.

[pellius]

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Pellius you are looking at separation not conditioning and hardness/dryness, evan was the driest of the group. This would be very noticeable in the rear shots.

Maybe, but I'm just going by these front shots an Ruhl is crushing him.

[Flexacon]

Ok, but I don't see how that proves your point unless you think all the Mr. Olympians were not in condition except Dorian.

I think you've actually lost track of what my point was and the key words being "doesn't always"

Separation doesn't always equal hardness. Evan at his best has very grainy conditioning.

And that was in response to you mentioning Ruhls separation and me comparing him to Evans conditioning. It had nothing to do with Olympians.

Ruhl was a glazed doughnut in 2009

[LurkerNoMore]

He won the NY Pro, beating DJ and Markus Ruhl in 2009 (at the top of his MD-hype lol)

The sad thing is that I can look at that photo and recognize everyone in it.  The pros today could be plastered on billboards and tv and I wouldn't have a clue to who they were. 

One thing I always liked about Evan is that he didn't go the route of all the stupid tatttoos.

[Pet shop boys]

Is that " Ana Lynn Bayly "  chick (forgot her name) with leopard pants working out behind Evan at the 8 mins mark ?





WhoooSHHHHHHHHHHHH  TA NA KA

[affeman]

I think legs in general are the first shrink with aging -- unless your name is Tom Platz. I still can't get over his quads at 65 years old.

Really? I thought triceps...

[_bruce_]

Scentopanty is looking pretty good. Both he and the trainer have a pretty interesting look - seems that the muscle is getting more and more vascular. McGrath always had this inflated balloon appearance.

[harmankardon1]

Really? I thought triceps...

Nah it's the quads, happens everytime.....

lack of lower back mobility, bad knees etc they're first things to really wear out.

[pellius]

I think you've actually lost track of what my point was and the key words being "doesn't always"

And that was in response to you mentioning Ruhls separation and me comparing him to Evans conditioning. It had nothing to do with Olympians.

Ruhl was a glazed doughnut in 2009

OK, but in those pics it's obvious that the sweat and oil is just too much causing the sheen or "glaze". The guy is covered in veins and even has striations on his obliques. And you don't get anymore deeply etched and developed abs like that.

[pellius]

Really? I thought triceps...

Triceps too. Draper wrote an article on his disappearing triceps.

[honest]

Funny how the calves seem to get lost over the years on a lotta older athletes? Is there any scientific explanation for this?

I think calves like arms on older bodybuilders it all comes down to nerve compression in the spine rather than local muscle issues, although circulation could certainly also be a factor for lower legs.

[Flexacon]

OK, but in those pics it's obvious that the sweat and oil is just too much causing the sheen or "glaze". The guy is covered in veins and even has striations on his obliques. And you don't get anymore deeply etched and developed abs like that.

He is still holding excess bodyfat and water when compared Evan. That's why he looks "soft" or "glazed".

Also you're putting too much emphasis on separation. It looks impressive in pictures when muscles are etched, but in person and on the stage hardness/dryness looks just as impressive if not more so. Why do you think someone like Branch was so successful and someone like Lionel isn't.

[pellius]

He is still holding excess bodyfat and water when compared Evan. That's why he looks "soft" or "glazed".

Also you're putting too much emphasis on separation. It looks impressive in pictures when muscles are etched, but in person and on the stage hardness/dryness looks just as impressive if not more so. Why do you think someone like Branch was so successful and someone like Lionel isn't.

Excess bodyfat? Where? I think you put too much emphasis on hardness/dryness. With the exception of Dorian and to a much lesser extent Ronnie, none of the other winners, I repeat, winners had that hard and grainy look. Personally, I don't even think it looks good. You look like you have lizard skin. That's why guys going back to Arnold look so good. They were not covered with veins with that lizard-like hide. They looked full and healthy.

And Branch Warren was so successful? Compared to whom? Branch and Jay are contemporaries. They competed against each other since they were in their teens. In the beginning Branch beat Jay. Not when they became pros. You would be hard press to find a vein anywhere on Jay's physique and he has never been described as dry and grainy. But he wins.

Bbing is a very subjective sport. This is another example. I prefer the dbol/Deca look. You prefer the Tren/Masteron look. I'll take cuts and separation over dry, vascular, graininess every time. Frank McGrath's forearms are jaw dropping. They are also gross looking to me.

[Flexacon]

Excess bodyfat? Where?Time for an eyesight check. Look at his lower back, glutes and hams

I think you put too much emphasis on hardness/dryness. That's part of the judging criteria. 

With the exception of Dorian and to a much lesser extent Ronnie, none of the other winners, I repeat, winners had that hard and grainy look. Phil and Jay at their best were hard and dry. Dexter was Hard and Grainy for his win too

Personally, I don't even think it looks good. You look like you have lizard skin. Modern bodybuilding (post Haney) isn't really about looking good, it's more about the freak factor

That's why guys going back to Arnold look so good. They were not covered with veins with that lizard-like hide. They looked full and healthy. You're talking about looking good and healthy and at the same time talking up Markus Ruhl. You seem more confused than Joswift at a Maths test.

And Branch Warren was so successful? Compared to whom? I actually give you a direct comparison. Double up on the eye test

Branch and Jay are contemporaries. They competed against each other since they were in their teens. In the beginning Branch beat Jay. Not when they became pros. You would be hard press to find a vein anywhere on Jay's physique and he has never been described as dry and grainy. Jay was plenty dry in 2009 But he wins.

Bbing is a very subjective sport. This is another example. I prefer the dbol/Deca look. You prefer the Tren/Masteron look. I'll take cuts and separation over dry, vascular, graininess every time. Frank McGrath's forearms are jaw dropping. They are also gross looking to me. Almost no one is walking around dry, vascular and grainy like they are on stage. It's called contest condition and it's used to help judge shows.

HTH

[harmankardon1]

Markus was still holding fat and water, pellius look at the upper quads, lower back region

These areas are some of the last places to come in, he's soft.

[pellius]

HTH

Now it's because I have bad eyesight? Can anyone have an honest disagreement without it degenerating into personal insults? You can only wish you were that fat. There is no fat in the areas that you mentioned. Maybe a bit of water but no fat. A common mistake.

Separation and muscle definition is also part of the judging criteria.

I disagree. I would never have considered Jay and Phil as dry. That was one of the main criticisms of both of them. Dexter, yes, hard and dry, I mistakenly left him out. So now we have Dorian and Dexter.

Agree.

Another personal insult. I'm trying to be patient but you don't want to get into a pissing contest with me. You need to be more secure with your arguments and let them stand on it's on. Many didn't like the overall look of Ruhl's proportions and look. I don't consider Ruhl looking especially unhealthy by bbing standards. You always looked robust and strong.

Insult number three. If you are looking for a fight you're going to get one. If you want to spend the rest of life here on GetBig going back and forth with me then you know you're going to get it. This is another prime example where I don't start or look for a fight but still people want to get into it with me which never ends well. Where's Escrima lately? People never learn.

You compared Branch to Lionel, I compared Branch to Jay. I consider my comparison much more fair, equal, and relevant. Does that hurt your feelings?

Jay was in his all time best shape ever in 2009. He was dry in 2001. That's where it ends. He didn't win his Olympias by being dry and grainy. Even in 2009 it was the huge size increase that overwhelmed both his competition and the judges. That one exception, never done before or since, contest. Everything in the universe fell into place that day and something he was never able to duplicate.

Oh, is that what it's called? I spare you that and the "HTH" snarky sarcasm as my final attempt to keep it civil.

[pellius]

Markus was still holding fat and water, pellius look at the upper quads, lower back region

These areas are some of the last places to come in, he's soft.

I disagree. If that is fat then everybody else in the world is morbidly obese. Evan may be harder and more dry but in those particular pics I don't think it's enough to beat Ruhl. I will say this, it doesn't bother me in the least that you disagree with me, how about you? Can someone disagree with you and you not take it as a personal affront like Flexacon?