Evan Centopani - Shoulder Workout - Current condition

[Flexacon]

Now it's because I have bad eyesight? Can anyone have an honest disagreement without it degenerating into personal insults? You can only wish you were that fat. There is no fat in the areas that you mentioned. Maybe a bit of water but no fat. A common mistake.

Separation and muscle definition is also part of the judging criteria.

I disagree. I would never have considered Jay and Phil as dry. That was one of the main criticisms of both of them. Dexter, yes, hard and dry, I mistakenly left him out. So now we have Dorian and Dexter.

Agree.

Another personal insult. I'm trying to be patient but you don't want to get into a pissing contest with me. You need to be more secure with your arguments and let them stand on it's on. Many didn't like the overall look of Ruhl's proportions and look. I don't consider Ruhl looking especially unhealthy by bbing standards. You always looked robust and strong.

Insult number three. If you are looking for a fight you're going to get one. If you want to spend the rest of life here on GetBig going back and forth with me then you know you're going to get it. This is another prime example where I don't start or look for a fight but still people want to get into it with me which never ends well. Where's Escrima lately? People never learn.

You compared Branch to Lionel, I compared Branch to Jay. I consider my comparison much more fair, equal, and relevant. Does that hurt your feelings?

Jay was in his all time best shape ever in 2009. He was dry in 2001. That's where it ends. He didn't win his Olympias by being dry and grainy. Even in 2009 it was the huge size increase that overwhelmed both his competition and the judges. That one exception, never done before or since, contest. Everything in the universe fell into place that day and something he was never able to duplicate.

Oh, is that what it's called? I spare you that and the "HTH" snarky sarcasm as my final attempt to keep it civil.

No one is gonna read your walls of text. Keep it short and snappy.

I disagree. If that is fat then everybody else in the world is morbidly obese. Evan may be harder and more dry but in those particular pics I don't think it's enough to beat Ruhl. I will say this, it doesn't bother me in the least that you disagree with me, how about you? Can someone disagree with you and you not take it as a personal affront like Flexacon?

You must be going senile as you seem to be getting confused very easily. No one talking about how Ruhl looks like next to everyday people. It's pretty clear the comparison is to pros in contest condition.

[pellius]

No one is gonna read your walls of text. Keep it short and snappy.

You must be going senile as you seem to be getting confused very easily. No one talking about how Ruhl looks like next to everyday people. It's pretty clear the comparison is to pros in contest condition.

OK asshole, here we go.

I am not surprised that anything more than a few sentences taxes the upper limit of your attention span. You try to portray yourself as an expert when odds are you probably don't look like you even train. There's a difference between water and fat. Since it is doubtful you ever dieted to sub 10% you really have no idea what it takes to get into the condition and bodyfat levels of Ruhl on that day.

And I guarantee you that if we both had to take an SAT test cold and do the Marine Corp obstacle course, I'd destroy you in both. Can you even touch your toes?

[AbrahamG]

OK asshole, here we go.

I am not surprised that anything more than a few sentences taxes the upper limit of your attention span. You try to portray yourself as an expert when odds are you probably don't look like you even train. There's a difference between water and fat. Since it is doubtful you ever dieted to sub 10% you really have no idea what it takes to get into the condition and bodyfat levels of Ruhl on that day.

And I guarantee you that if we both had to take an SAT test cold and do the Marine Corp obstacle course, I'd destroy you in both. Can you even touch your toes?

Nice jumping off point.  LMFAO.

[Flexacon]

OK asshole, here we go.

I am not surprised that anything more than a few sentences taxes the upper limit of your attention span. You try to portray yourself as an expert when odds are you probably don't look like you even train. There's a difference between water and fat. Since it is doubtful you ever dieted to sub 10% you really have no idea what it takes to get into the condition and bodyfat levels of Ruhl on that day.

And I guarantee you that if we both had to take an SAT test cold and do the Marine Corp obstacle course, I'd destroy you in both. Can you even touch your toes?

I highly doubt you can do much of anything with your dodgy knees and brittle bones, but I admire your bravado talking about obstacle courses when a good day for you is not using a walking aid.

I can do better than touch my toes. I can self suck despite only having an average sized penis.

You're taking criticism of Ruhl really personally. I apologize if I've upset you with my criticism of your man crush.

[BB]

I can do better than touch my toes. I can self suck despite only having an average sized penis.

The gauntlet has been thrown. Self sucking for depth at ten paces, fire up those cameras.

[pellius]

I highly doubt you can do much of anything with your dodgy knees and brittle bones, but I admire your bravado talking about obstacle courses when a good day for you is not using a walking aid.

I can do better than touch my toes. I can self suck despite only having an average sized penis.

You're taking criticism of Ruhl really personally. I apologize if I've upset you with my criticism of your man crush.

LOL! The best you can do is just mimick my criticism. It was obvious that you take criticism personally and had to resort to personal insults. I simply stated my opinion and the reasons which seem to cause a lot of hurt feelings. So now your response is, "No, you're the one that take it's personally." The only think I took personally is personal insults.

I'm not surprised you have to suck your own cock. Shizzo can't be everywhere. Why don't you post a pic and show us what great shape you are in.

[Flexacon]

LOL! The best you can do is just mimick my criticism. It was obvious that you take criticism personally and had to resort to personal insults. I simply stated my opinion and the reasons which seem to cause a lot of hurt feelings. So now your response is, "No, you're the one that take it's personally." The only think I took personally is personal insults.

I'm not surprised you have to suck your own cock. Shizzo can't be everywhere. Why don't you post a pic and show us what great shape you are in.

You didn't actually direct any criticism at me and I appreciate that, but I chose to throw personal insults in your direction because I find it funny how clueless you are about how bodybuilding judging works. I mean I don't exactly take much pride in being an excellent bodybuilding judge. It's actually something that's pretty embarrassing and I've genuinely avoided discussing judging and contests on here, but I just found your naivety and man love for Ruhl to difficult to resist.
 
What does my current shape have to do with any of the topics at hand though, other than you taking my criticism of Ruhl personally? If Ruhl himself was to ask me then it would make sense. What's your interest?

Also just because I can self suck, doesn't mean I do. Kinda like how you can hook up with underage girls, but don't.

[pellius]

You didn't actually direct any criticism at me and I appreciate that, but I chose to throw personal insults in your direction because I find it funny how clueless you are about how bodybuilding judging works. I mean I don't exactly take much pride in being an excellent bodybuilding judge. It's actually something that's pretty embarrassing and I've genuinely avoided discussing judging and contests on here, but I just found your naivety and man love for Ruhl to difficult to resist.
 
What does my current shape have to do with any of the topics at hand though, other than you taking my criticism of Ruhl personally? If Ruhl himself was to ask me then it would make sense. What's your interest?

Also just because I can self suck, doesn't mean I do. Kinda like how you can hook up with underage girls, but don't.

A typical shallow and vapid response. Take pride in bbing? LOL. When one points out an advantage of another then it's man love? All while fawning over Evan? You really have no idea how pathetic you sound.

And when you go on about me being on a walker when chances are I am in much better shape than you are you're clueless. Not too bright, are you?

Of all the examples that you could have use you chose self-sucking. That says a lot. Why would such a thought even enter a person's head? And now you stoop to a long dismissed, settled, and banned subject. This serves as your first official warning. Like I said, Remember Escrima? Read his last post.

[Bevo]

I highly doubt you can do much of anything with your dodgy knees and brittle bones, but I admire your bravado talking about obstacle courses when a good day for you is not using a walking aid.

I can do better than touch my toes. I can self suck despite only having an average sized penis.

You're taking criticism of Ruhl really personally. I apologize if I've upset you with my criticism of your man crush.

This is getbig gold here 

[Van_Bilderass]

Ruhl had what can be called "thick skin" in certain areas, areas that just won't come in no matter what, like Nasser's or Warren's backs. It's not water either, as he no doubt had pulled at least 20lbs of water with a loop diuretic. So what you see is a severely dehydrated guy at extremely low bodyfat with certain areas with "thicker skin" genetically.
If someone was holding water you'd see it in the lower legs, but Ruhl's calves were just saran-wrapped.

Someone like Phil Heath might not be thought of as grainy but he was always extremely low bodyfat and dry. He has what I call play-doh GH muscle. It look like slapped on very artificial tissue. Flex Lewis and Cutler had this look too. It's also genetic though the drugs, especially GH, don't help.

[harmankardon1]

Ruhl had what can be called "thick skin" in certain areas, areas that just won't come in no matter what, like Nasser's or Warren's backs. It's not water either, as he no doubt had pulled at least 20lbs of water with a loop diuretic. So what you see is a severely dehydrated guy at extremely low bodyfat with certain areas with "thicker skin" genetically.
If someone was holding water you'd see it in the lower legs, but Ruhl's calves were just saran-wrapped.

Someone like Phil Heath might not be thought of as grainy but he was always extremely low bodyfat and dry. He has what I call play-doh GH muscle. It look like slapped on very artificial tissue. Flex Lewis and Cutler had this look too. It's also genetic though the drugs, especially GH, don't help.

This is bro science....

If ruhl couldn't get better than this cause of "thick skin" why was he better in ny when he won?

Thick skin is an excuse for not suffering. Ruhl has some fat on his ass and lower back in this showing and is not elite level dry.

[pellius]

This is getbig gold here 

If you followed the thread there was no special love for Ruhl whatever one's fantasies are. I said In that pic Evan was losing to everyone imho. I chose Ruhl simple because he was standing right next to Evan for easy comparison. Something I specifically mentioned. No special bias as "Flex" has for Evan.

Btw, is this not directed to you. Just rereading Flex's post reminded me of this.

[pellius]

Ruhl had what can be called "thick skin" in certain areas, areas that just won't come in no matter what, like Nasser's or Warren's backs. It's not water either, as he no doubt had pulled at least 20lbs of water with a loop diuretic. So what you see is a severely dehydrated guy at extremely low bodyfat with certain areas with "thicker skin" genetically.
If someone was holding water you'd see it in the lower legs, but Ruhl's calves were just saran-wrapped.

Someone like Phil Heath might not be thought of as grainy but he was always extremely low bodyfat and dry. He has what I call play-doh GH muscle. It look like slapped on very artificial tissue. Flex Lewis and Cutler had this look too. It's also genetic though the drugs, especially GH, don't help.

Yes, that explanation makes more sense. I know there's no fat there so I automatically think water which can give the appearance of thick skin. But, you're right, some just have thicker skin.

[honest]

Ruhl needed to stay lighter off season and not allow his skin folds to get up, guarantee his body fat went up after he started using insulin, really need to eat clean and manage carbs if your an endo meso type like Ruhl. No doubt he took that much gh that his insulin sensitivity changed as well, what would have worked in earlier years didn't work in later years.

[Flexacon]

If you followed the thread there was no special love for Ruhl whatever one's fantasies are. I said In that pic Evan was losing to everyone imho. I chose Ruhl simple because he was standing right next to Evan for easy comparison. Something I specifically mentioned. No special bias as "Flex" has for Evan.

Btw, is this not directed to you. Just rereading Flex's post reminded me of this.

This is why I keep saying you need to go get your eyes checked or you must be going senile. My post on the first page had very little to say that was positive about Evan. I didn't even say even should have won the show. My main talking point has been how condition is judged.

Meanwhile you can't stop sucking off Ruhl. I think we know why you have bad knees now.

[Flexacon]

Ruhl had what can be called "thick skin" in certain areas, areas that just won't come in no matter what, like Nasser's or Warren's backs. It's not water either, as he no doubt had pulled at least 20lbs of water with a loop diuretic. So what you see is a severely dehydrated guy at extremely low bodyfat with certain areas with "thicker skin" genetically.
If someone was holding water you'd see it in the lower legs, but Ruhl's calves were just saran-wrapped.

Someone like Phil Heath might not be thought of as grainy but he was always extremely low bodyfat and dry. He has what I call play-doh GH muscle. It look like slapped on very artificial tissue. Flex Lewis and Cutler had this look too. It's also genetic though the drugs, especially GH, don't help.

Ruhl without the lower back fat. Its not a thick skin issue

[pellius]

This is why I keep saying you need to go get your eyes checked or you must be going senile. My post on the first page had very little to say that was positive about Evan. I didn't even say even should have won the show. My main talking point has been how condition is judged.

Meanwhile you can't stop sucking off Ruhl. I think we know why you have bad knees now.

Funny you should mention my eyes. I just had my six month eye check up and at 60 years old I'm still at 20/25 and no reading glasses. I still have a full head of hair and a six-pack. None of this you can claim. I can only imagine the mess you will be when you are my age.

You seem to be pretty obsessed with cock sucking. Both your own and fantasies of others sucking cock. You once again typify so many here. They don't train or workout, or look like they do, but here they are on a bodybuilding board with you in particular taking "pride" in your ability to judge another man's body.

Another closet phag exposed.

[Van_Bilderass]

Ruhl without the lower back fat. Its not a thick skin issue

This is bro science....

If ruhl couldn't get better than this cause of "thick skin" why was he better in ny when he won?

Thick skin is an excuse for not suffering. Ruhl has some fat on his ass and lower back in this showing and is not elite level dry.

Ruhl may have had slightly lower bodyfat levels at other shows but you also can't always compare pics from two different shows as the lighting and picture quality may be dramatically different. Those earlier pics from NY are often stills from video from what I can tell. Gym vs stage are often very different as well. Usually pros don't get fatter as years go by, it can happen but usually they set a standard early on and consistently hit similar levels of conditioning with small variations.

The "thick skin" is a genetic issue for many. Brandon Curry simply can't get the skin to look like Hadi's for example. It's not that Curry is fat, it just doesn't look the same even if fat levels are very similar. One guy who always gets called shredded and grainy is Dexter but he has a blurry look to his skin IMO. Some feel this is often a problem for blacks in particular.

I have seen some claim that an all fish diet thins the skin. The theory is that fish contains certain types of collagen which beef doesn't which leads to the dermis to catabolize itself. Combined with drugs like Winstrol which have certain effects on collagen formation is supposed to thin the skin.
Flex Lewis has apparently claimed he sas able to thin his skin with an all fish diet. I'm pretty skeptical.

[Flexacon]

Funny you should mention my eyes. I just had my six month eye check up and at 60 years old I'm still at 20/25 and no reading glasses. I still have a full head of hair and a six-pack. None of this you can claim. I can only imagine the mess you will be when you are my age.

You seem to be pretty obsessed with cock sucking. Both your own and fantasies of others sucking cock. You once again typify so many here. They don't train or workout, or look like they do, but here they are on a bodybuilding board with you in particular taking "pride" in your ability to judge another man's body.

Another closet phag exposed.

More evidence of your senility. I actually said I'm embarrassed by my ability to judge a mans physique so try to avoid it.

No one gives a shit about what you look like and your just for men hair is nothing to brag about.

Also even as a straight heterosexual male I have been very open about my faggotory on here. There has been nothing closeted about my posts. Unlike you who can't get away from the image of a less than perfect rule and take any criticism of him as a personal insult.

He's fat, get over it.

[Flexacon]

Ruhl may have had slightly lower bodyfat levels at other shows but you also can't always compare pics from two different shows as the lighting and picture quality may be dramatically different. Those earlier pics from NY are often stills from video from what I can tell. Gym vs stage are often very different as well. Usually pros don't get fatter as years go by, it can happen but usually they set a standard early on and consistently hit similar levels of conditioning with small variations.

The "thick skin" is a genetic issue for many. Brandon Curry simply can't get the skin to look like Hadi's for example. It's not that Curry is fat, it just doesn't look the same even if fat levels are very similar. One guy who always gets called shredded and grainy is Dexter but he has a blurry look to his skin IMO. Some feel this is often a problem for blacks in particular.

I have seen some claim that an all fish diet thins the skin. The theory is that fish contains certain types of collagen which beef doesn't which leads to the dermis to catabolize itself. Combined with drugs like Winstrol which have certain effects on collagen formation is supposed to thin the skin.
Flex Lewis has apparently claimed he sas able to thin his skin with an all fish diet. I'm pretty skeptical.

Some guys may have "thicker" skin than others, but this is comparing ruhl to ruhl. Lighting doesn't create skin rolls and lightning doesn't give you an xmas tree in the lower back. Lower body fat levels do that.

Flex also goes on very contest diets. No zero cal condiments, artificial sweeteners, nothing. I'd say his ability to suffer and stick to the diet has more of an important role than a fish diet.

[Van_Bilderass]

Look at this pic of Dexter, this is what is called inside out shredded and grainy Looks fat and thick skinned to me.

Second pic, difference in skin between Hadi and Curry.

[Flexacon]

Look at this pic of Dexter, this is what is called inside out shredded and grainy Looks fat and thick skinned to me.

Second pic, difference in skin between Hadi and Curry.

That's a picture of big ramy bro

[Van_Bilderass]

Some guys may have "thicker" skin than others, but this is comparing ruhl to ruhl. Lighting doesn't create skin rolls and lightning doesn't give you an xmas tree in the lower back. Lower body fat levels do that.

Well, christmas tree can often be just skin folds, it's not necessarily muscle fibers dancing under the skin. It is also helped by shadows, for example certain types of stage lighting. Then take screenshot off a crappy video and it's further enhanced.

Look closely at Arnold's Christmas tree here. It's clearly just skin folds, he isn't in superb condition here, there's still fat on his body.

[Van_Bilderass]

That's a picture of big ramy bro

Oops, picked the wrong pic since the thumbnail was so small. Here:

[Van_Bilderass]

Here you can see what I mean. Imagine pinching the skin on his lower back. That's clearly very thick skin with some fat, not at all like say the skin on the back of your hand. It's not muscle fibers, it's skin folding in a certain way. Getting leaner would probably reduce the Christmas tree effect, especially when viewed at a distance.
If you've ever pinched the lower back of a contest lean bb you know what I mean. It may look ripped at a distance but those bags of fat/water gives the appearance of a Christmas tree.