No knock warrants

[Bevo]

We all know soggy always enters from the back door, you wouldn’t see him coming

[Schnauzer]

The Louisville police officers involved in Breonna Taylor’s shooting death “knocked and announced” themselves — and did not execute a “no-knock warrant” as previously believed, Kentucky’s attorney general said Wednesday.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/nypost.com/2020/09/23/kentucky-ag-breonna-taylor-cops-knocked-and-announced-themselves/amp/

[Bevo]

Why is this case such an outrage? Yes, it’s because the innocent victim was black. And yes, she shouldn’t have died, but if it was any other race the media wouldn’t blow it out of proportion like they do with these certain ones

[Rusty Trombone]

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Cop blower

LMFAO.  Pigs.

LOL

[pellius]

There should always be an option for a no knock warrant but only under very specific circumstances. Should the police knock before arresting someone like Bin Laden?

[Megalodon]

The Louisville police officers involved in Breonna Taylor’s shooting death “knocked and announced” themselves — and did not execute a “no-knock warrant” as previously believed, Kentucky’s attorney general said Wednesday.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/nypost.com/2020/09/23/kentucky-ag-breonna-taylor-cops-knocked-and-announced-themselves/amp/

They executed a yes-knock

[AbrahamG]

Would be great if Saggy visit you at night-time 

More and more I'm beginning to think you want Saggy Prime to take you up the ole highway.

[Body-Buildah]

They executed a yes-knock

Love how the libtard media lies about this 24x7. They knock, they get fired upon, they shoot back, someone gets killed.
Seems right to me. Libkuntz 

Lying, rioting, anti-US BLM'ing douchebags. 

[IroNat]

I keep a firearm in every room in my house. I’ve said this a million times. If someone breaks in and there is an imminent threat to my family or self, I’m unloading my full magazine

Good to know.  When are you at the gym?

 

[Body-Buildah]

Why is this case such an outrage? Yes, it’s because the innocent victim was black. And yes, she shouldn’t have died, but if it was any other race the media wouldn’t blow it out of proportion like they do with these certain ones

Right, like the 13 year old white aspergers kid shot by police, not a peep anywhere. No riots, lootin'  hooting nor hollering.
No MSM libtard outrage.

[oldtimer1]

While I am 100% pro-police and think that the dumbest thing we could do is de-fund the police - I think we HAVE to end the no-knock warrant.
Again - I think the police need MUCH MORE FUNDING rather than a decrease.
BUT - if someone charges into my home in the middle of the night I can assure you that I will push the wife off the bed for cover and IMMEDIATELY begin firing. I keep the 12 gauge close and ready.

You're wrong on no knock warrants. Think of tactics. Do you want to give a violent felon advance warning to get his firearm? If you are coming to arrest for drugs do you want to give them time to flush the drugs, hit the button to use their hard drive erase, take hostages or flee?  There are uses for a no knock warrant.

[Marvin Martian]

You're wrong on no knock warrants. Think of tactics. Do you want to give a violent felon advance warning to get his firearm? If you are coming to arrest for drugs do you want to give them time to flush the drugs, hit the button to use their hard drive erase, take hostages or flee?  There are uses for a no knock warrant.

First - I have to say that I WAS WRONG about the Taylor issue being a “no knock”...

But - I will never agree for them in anything other than the rarest of circumstances. Drug case?? HELL NO... The drug war is the horrible.
To qualify - I come from a saturated with military & police. Everyone in my family has served other than mom and sister and one brother. Have a cousin who just made Admiral and took command of a nuke submarine group. Another uncle was CO of joint service Air Station Belle Chase (an extremely important line of defense as it is right on the gulf - 2 fighters are at ready 24/7/365)

On the police front - no sheriffs or chiefs - but many uniform and detectives. We’ve had many debates during the holidays over police / military tactics - and “most - not all” agree that because of human error and EVERY one of us having a strong belief that is an Americans DUTY to have his home and person armed - a no knock mistake is not worth it in MOST cases. These should be granted only when evidentiary surveillance proves the correct home via pic/video - AND the high likelihood of danger to the officers.
No knock warrants are given out far to often. I absolutely would shoot first if someone kicked in my door - I will never wait to make sure they are a threat. The invasion of my home is enough. I am 100% with Rand Paul on this - and many issues.

AGAIN - I REALIZE THIS BREONNA TAYLOR EVENT WAS NOT A “NO-KNOCK” and therefore I have to say that other than the undisciplined fire control of the officer charged - there was no breach in constitutional rights!

**** Edit - I am calling my uncle today to make sure that I am correct that **** made Admiral and has assumed command... He was a young officer (by standard) when he made Captain and assumed command of his first Kit class sub... We aren’t super close anymore but he is a pretty cool guy but being submerged and hidden months ago a time literally under pressure takes a very different kind of man.

[Methyl m1ke]

A subtle detail is getting overlooked here, that the warrant was served just after midnight. LEOs have to secure a special warrant to do this and judges are pretty reluctant to issue them. Usually raids happen at dawn. The reasons why are pretty obvious, everything is more dangerous in the dark plus the whole neighborhood gets woken up.

So the valid reasons for such a warrant are pretty limited, usually its to secure a dangerous suspect who is hard to pin down or to secure contraband that is likely not going to be gettable if they wait. Think murder suspects or kilos of dope coming into town etc.

So i would really like to see a copy of the search warrant because officers dont get these midnight raid warrants every day and that said i am really confused as to how the officers screwed up so bad executing one. Where is their intel what information were they going off of? And you can be SURE they did not knock tho they likely identified themselves with the obvious noise the battering ram was making. If they got the door down in one whack i can totally understand the dude shooting at them. Give that man props for reacting so efficiently under duress.

Back to the cops i mean take your fucking job a little more serious. This aint an arcade game. And what judge gave them the midnight go ahead and what was the justification?

The DA covering for the officers i guess you had to expect that but just the same it looks terrible all around.

And lets not forget that the victim was not given aid no officers came to help her in the TWENTY minutes before EMTs arrived and in fact her boyfriend was the one who called 911 AND THE EMTS WERE ACTUALLY ON SCENE FOR THE RAID AND TOLD TO LEAVE and THATS EVEN SCARIER

Looks bad, real bad. The fact that the victim was black never registered in my mind and i still dont really care. Her skin color is inconsequential to me. The fact that officers deliberately raided her home the most dangerous way they could and clearly did not plan on medical services being available should anyone get hurt (lol cops guns adrenaline darkness what could go wrong?) the whole thing has me fired up. I dont even want to speculate at racism because clearly the officers had no fucking clue who or what was actually in that apartment.

A damned shame and tragic loss of life. 

[King Shizzo]

You're wrong on no knock warrants. Think of tactics. Do you want to give a violent felon advance warning to get his firearm? If you are coming to arrest for drugs do you want to give them time to flush the drugs, hit the button to use their hard drive erase, take hostages or flee?  There are uses for a no knock warrant.

Sounds like the script to Jack Reacher 4. How long does a knock take?

[Princess L]

A subtle detail is getting overlooked here, that the warrant was served just after midnight. LEOs have to secure a special warrant to do this and judges are pretty reluctant to issue them. Usually raids happen at dawn. The reasons why are pretty obvious, everything is more dangerous in the dark plus the whole neighborhood gets woken up.

So the valid reasons for such a warrant are pretty limited, usually its to secure a dangerous suspect who is hard to pin down or to secure contraband that is likely not going to be gettable if they wait. Think murder suspects or kilos of dope coming into town etc.

So i would really like to see a copy of the search warrant because officers dont get these midnight raid warrants every day and that said i am really confused as to how the officers screwed up so bad executing one. Where is their intel what information were they going off of? And you can be SURE they did not knock tho they likely identified themselves with the obvious noise the battering ram was making. If they got the door down in one whack i can totally understand the dude shooting at them. Give that man props for reacting so efficiently under duress.

Back to the cops i mean take your fucking job a little more serious. This aint an arcade game. And what judge gave them the midnight go ahead and what was the justification?

The DA covering for the officers i guess you had to expect that but just the same it looks terrible all around.

And lets not forget that the victim was not given aid no officers came to help her in the TWENTY minutes before EMTs arrived and in fact her boyfriend was the one who called 911 AND THE EMTS WERE ACTUALLY ON SCENE FOR THE RAID AND TOLD TO LEAVE and THATS EVEN SCARIER

Looks bad, real bad. The fact that the victim was black never registered in my mind and i still dont really care. Her skin color is inconsequential to me. The fact that officers deliberately raided her home the most dangerous way they could and clearly did not plan on medical services being available should anyone get hurt (lol cops guns adrenaline darkness what could go wrong?) the whole thing has me fired up. I dont even want to speculate at racism because clearly the officers had no fucking clue who or what was actually in that apartment.

A damned shame and tragic loss of life.

Where are you getting this mostly myth-based information?

[oldgolds]

The Louisville police officers involved in Breonna Taylor’s shooting death “knocked and announced” themselves — and did not execute a “no-knock warrant” as previously believed, Kentucky’s attorney general said Wednesday.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/nypost.com/2020/09/23/kentucky-ag-breonna-taylor-cops-knocked-and-announced-themselves/amp/

Lol...And all the dumbass libs spreading BS about a "no knock warrant"....Our media are completely corrupt..

[Humble Narcissist]

Yep, they knocked.  MSM just fanning the flames to keep the narrative going.

[pellius]

First - I have to say that I WAS WRONG about the Taylor issue being a “no knock”...

But - I will never agree for them in anything other than the rarest of circumstances. Drug case?? HELL NO... The drug war is the horrible.
 

So just to clarify, you don't believe that no-knock warrants HAVE to be ended?

While I am 100% pro-police and think that the dumbest thing we could do is de-fund the police - I think we HAVE to end the no-knock warrant.
 

[Dave D]

There should always be an option for a no knock warrant but only under very specific circumstances. Should the police knock before arresting someone like Bin Laden?

I understand your point but Bin Laden was never an American, so the police wouldn’t need a no knock.

The bigger question is what type of criminal needs a no knock? What would be the parameters? A Jeffery Epstein type would be an ideal candidate as opposed to a low level drug dealer.

The problem with the Taylor issue is the police thought she was receiving drug shipments via USPS, that is an easy claim to verify.

The cops screwed up, I don’t think anyone can dispute that, this is why body cams should be used at all times. We have a he said she said situation with the police saying the announced themselves. Why ever leave the fact that this can be argued up to chance?

For me this is less a race issue as it is having the police do their job correctly.

I mean seriously they have a no knock warrant because they want a leg up on the criminal, a suspect they should then assume is armed and dangerous; and two of these guys still get shot?



It’s a hot mess.

[Mayday]

They knocked. They identified themselves (according to witnesses). 1min passed before they belted the front door and this allowed the boyfriend to obtain a gun and shoot a cop which resulted in return fire and the girl shot.

Had they not knocked, the element of surprise would have prevented gun fire and it would have been fine.

it's ironic for people to call out no-knock warrants as a problem when in this scenario a no-knock would have prevented the firing of guns.


No normal person goes and grabs a gun to shoot cops who entered by mistake because you would recognise them as Police before firing. Firing a gun blindly into Police results in your death because you can't shoot at cops. Life isn't GTA or a Hollywood blockbuster. You become proper dead if you start to act like it is.

[Dave D]

They knocked. They identified themselves (according to witnesses). 1min passed before they belted the front door and this allowed the boyfriend to obtain a gun and shoot a cop which resulted in return fire and the girl shot.

Had they not knocked, the element of surprise would have prevented gun fire and it would have been fine.

it's ironic for people to call out no-knock warrants as a problem when in this scenario a no-knock would have prevented the firing of guns.


No normal person goes and grabs a gun to shoot cops who entered by mistake because you would recognise them as Police before firing. Firing a gun blindly into Police results in your death because you can't shoot at cops. Life isn't GTA or a Hollywood blockbuster. You become proper dead if you start to act like it is.

Oh I actually read there are witness statements that they did not identify themselves, so it’s good they have that but still body cameras would provide concrete evidence. We know they knocked because the boyfriend said they asked who’s there, and he said there was no response back.

 I’m with you on this, it’s highly unlikely they knocked and didn’t identify them selves but my point stands they’ve handled this incorrectly.

The department has let the media dictate the “facts” of the case, even though they were mostly wrong, instead of clarifying it immediately.  Why let this escalate, given the current climate? It continues to paint a picture that law enforcement is above the law.

Again they had a no knock and didn’t use it. Why are no knocks allowed or distributed? To go after dangerous criminals. So they set the parameters that this apartment was a dangerous spot and because they didn’t act as such they were wounded and someone lost their life.

Regardless of how you look at it the police did a poor job.

[Walter Sobchak]

I understand your point but Bin Laden was never an American, so the police wouldn’t need a no knock.

The bigger question is what type of criminal needs a no knock? What would be the parameters? A Jeffery Epstein type would be an ideal candidate as opposed to a low level drug dealer.

The problem with the Taylor issue is the police thought she was receiving drug shipments via USPS, that is an easy claim to verify.

The cops screwed up, I don’t think anyone can dispute that, this is why body cams should be used at all times. We have a he said she said situation with the police saying the announced themselves. Why ever leave the fact that this can be argued up to chance?

For me this is less a race issue as it is having the police do their job correctly.

I mean seriously they have a no knock warrant because they want a leg up on the criminal, a suspect they should then assume is armed and dangerous; and two of these guys still get shot?



It’s a hot mess.

Dave,

I’m from Chicago. I will make you a deal. The next time CPD raids a gang drug house on the south side of the City, you offer to walk up to the front door in broad daylight and knock on the door to serve a warrant.

I’ll stand 100 feet back and hold your wallet.

[Dave D]

Dave,

I’m from Chicago. I will make you a deal. The next time CPD raids a gang drug house on the south side of the City, you offer to walk up to the front door in broad daylight and knock on the door to serve a warrant.

I’ll stand 100 feet back and hold your wallet.

Walt,

If you think you’ll be safe in that environment holding my wallet I’ll take you up on it.



You think these cops did a good job? They had a no knock warrant so they could have the element of surprise in a dangerous environment at midnight and then they knock, announce who they are, wait a minute to kick in the door and then get shot? These guys might be better working behind a desk.

[chaos]

If you aren't willing to pay the price, don't commit the crime.

[Dave D]

If you aren't willing to pay the price, don't commit the crime.

Chaos what crime was committed by B. Taylor? Did the cops at least kill the shooter?