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Re: No knock warrants
« Reply #75 on: September 25, 2020, 06:27:51 AM »
What's funny? An entire houston family and the dogs were killed around a year ago in a no knock warrant on the wrong fucken house!

It has only been on houston news! Why you ask? Because every officer was black and the family was white!

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Re: No knock warrants
« Reply #76 on: September 25, 2020, 09:51:03 AM »
What's funny? An entire houston family and the dogs were killed around a year ago in a no knock warrant on the wrong fucken house!

It has only been on houston news! Why you ask? Because every officer was black and the family was white!

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Re: No knock warrants
« Reply #77 on: September 25, 2020, 10:03:58 AM »
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Re: No knock warrants
« Reply #78 on: September 25, 2020, 10:08:40 AM »
The element of surprise preserves evidence and increases officer safety. You want criminals to have a chance to load their guns and flush their stash and get organized what else should we do for them make sure all the lights are on so they can aim better?

It does but then so could a device placed in the drains that catches flushed drugs. Or a device that blocks the drains before the raid.

It's all about the greater good. People getting killed vs drug dealers flushing away some evidence.

Just needs to be figured out rationally.

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Re: No knock warrants
« Reply #79 on: September 25, 2020, 11:18:02 AM »
I have been in law enforcement since I was 19 years old in some capacity. Going to college I was admin records years before I could even obtain a police license.

I have had just about every experience, in damn near any capacity you can think of....including no knocks.

I can say without a shadow of a doubt that I have been 100% against no know warrants since I started! I have always been a person who can see shit objectively, and if someone barges into my house unannounced in the middle of the night? I’m leaving a pile of bodies and I’m probably dead too.

A lot of people don’t know this but even feds have rules about this shit! I’ve been part of federal task force in this country and the Middle East...feds do not do night time raids unless it’s a exigent hostage situation.

No knock warrants are bad news, and unless it’s a barricaded active shooter, or hostage situation in my opinion you should not do a no knock.

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There are two people who proposed, at least initially, that there should be never be no-knock warrants. One is the OP, which is what started this whole thread, and the other is you, an experienced person in LE. I disagreed and said that option should always be left open. You should not categorically take it off the table.

Here is what the OP said in his first post, "I think we HAVE to end the no-knock warrant." Then later he says, "First - I have to say that I WAS WRONG about the Taylor issue being a “no knock”...But - I will never agree for them in anything other than the rarest of circumstances.

The OP has not responded to question about the seeming contradiction.

You say, "I have been 100% against no know warrants since I started!" Then later in the same post you say, "No knock warrants are bad news, and unless it’s a barricaded active shooter, or hostage situation."

Again, there seems to be an inherent contradiction.

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Re: No knock warrants
« Reply #80 on: September 25, 2020, 11:36:02 AM »
What's funny? An entire houston family and the dogs were killed around a year ago in a no knock warrant on the wrong fucken house!

It has only been on houston news! Why you ask? Because every officer was black and the family was white!

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Yup, i remember it was only a big deal in Houston.

If my front/back door/window gets breached, i'm not asking questions and unloading my SKS down the hallway at anything that moves.  It's pretty rare for a no knock raid to be on the wrong house, but i'm not waiting around to find out.

I'm against no knock raids for this reason; unless it's some serious life or death shit with some VERY accurate intelligence, not happening.


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Re: No knock warrants
« Reply #81 on: September 25, 2020, 11:44:55 AM »
Yup, i remember it was only a big deal in Houston.

If my front/back door/window gets breached, i'm not asking questions and unloading my SKS down the hallway at anything that moves.  It's pretty rare for a no knock raid to be on the wrong house, but i'm not waiting around to find out.

I'm against no knock raids for this reason; unless it's some serious life or death shit with some VERY accurate intelligence, not happening.

SKS. I remember when the Soviet Union fell the market was flooded with those rifles. I got mine for about $50. Love just plinking with it in the mountains. I got pretty good loading it with stripper clips but couldn't imagine trying to do that in times of war. Thank god for the AK. The semi-auto version, they called it the MAK 9 when I bought it was only around $85. That would be my backup to the AR in times of riot though the Benelli semi-auto shotgun would be my first choice to protect home and property. Rifle bullets go far and I wouldn't want any innocents to get caught up in the cross fire.

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Re: No knock warrants
« Reply #82 on: September 25, 2020, 11:48:05 AM »
What's funny? An entire houston family and the dogs were killed around a year ago in a no knock warrant on the wrong fucken house!

It has only been on houston news! Why you ask? Because every officer was black and the family was white!

Bench

Then there's this case too, one of too many. The cops murdered an innocent couple, Dennis Tuttle -a US Navy veteran- and his wife Rhogena Nicholas inside their own home in Houston during a no knock raid. A cop lied to obtain the warrant, no drugs were found and the cops also tampered with evidence.

But of course there were no riots, no looting, no social media hashtags, no t-shirts or graffiti on walls. Why would that be? Possibly this:

The victims:


The cop:


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Re: No knock warrants
« Reply #83 on: September 25, 2020, 12:23:54 PM »
SKS. I remember when the Soviet Union fell the market was flooded with those rifles. I got mine for about $50. Love just plinking with it in the mountains. I got pretty good loading it with stripper clips but couldn't imagine trying to do that in times of war. Thank god for the AK. The semi-auto version, they called it the MAK 9 when I bought it was only around $85. That would be my backup to the AR in times of riot though the Benelli semi-auto shotgun would be my first choice to protect home and property. Rifle bullets go far and I wouldn't want any innocents to get caught up in the cross fire.

It's one of my favorites and i have a few to choose from.  I like AK's and AR's too, built a few AR's.

It sits near my bed on one side, 12 G on the other with 3" magnums 00 buckshot.  ;D

The way my house is laid out i know which directions i can use it; yes i'd defer to the 12g unless i felt i needed more.  Based on crime statics, the average number of people to rob a house is 4, so i don't want to leave any chances.

Where i live now i seriously doubt i'd ever need it, but i like guns so might as well have a few available to play with.

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Re: No knock warrants
« Reply #84 on: September 25, 2020, 12:25:19 PM »


You specified two things that you feel the police did wrong: that it should have been a no-knock warrant and that they should have worn bodycams. The implications is that if they had did those two things the outcome may have been different. Since we both agree that wearing bodycams would not have changed the outcome then the only other thing you think the police did wrong was not doing a no-knock entry. This may have changed the outcome but most believe, including an experience LE officer who has done this whole life, disagrees. This was considered a soft target and there was no evidence that she presented a threat. The police did nothing wrong by knocking and announcing themselves.

I never "insisted" that you didn't. You just made that up. I wanted to be crystal clear as to your stand on whether or not you believe the police announced themselves. It makes all the difference to what transpired.

Typical of a Liberal. Always making everything a matter of race. Never did I mention race nor do I believe it was pertinent to the case and never even implied it was a factor. There was a thread on here about Thomas Sowell in which I remarked that he is the most influential person in my life in forming my thinking and world view. His student, Walter Williams, whose articles I read weekly, is another one. Both happen to be Black. But I respect your honesty in admitting your bias against the police.

I never denied they had a no-knock warrant. Again you just made that up. In fact, I specified that it was later rescinded when it was determined that Taylor was a soft target. I answer all your questions point by point as I am doing now. I just thought it was so absurdly preposterous to even ask a question equating Bin Laden and Breanna Taylor. Some questions are so patently silly that it doesn't deserve a serious answer.

I read in the news, where I get all my information on this case just as you do, that Kenneth Walker was a drug dealer. I just read an article by the Washington Post
titled, Correcting the misinformation about Breanna Taylor; saying that is false. So I take back that accusation. I don't see how it changes anything.

Again, I wanted to establish beyond any doubt that you believe the police announce themselves as it makes all the difference in how you answer the second, more important question. I find it very, very odd that in regard to whether or not you believe Walker was justified in shooting at the police you replied, "I haven’t given thought to this question.". The one thing that cause this entire mess you haven't given any thought to. Your only focus was on the police. Now it is clear why in all of this back and forth you never once addressed Walker firing at the police. The one and only thing that caused all of this. Again, your bias against the police is put glaringly on display.

I cannot comment if I think Walker should have been allowed to carry a gun because I have no idea his past history. I believe that every law abiding citizen over 21 years old should be allow to own and carry a gun.

As I believe they were correct in issuing a knock first warrant, announcing themselves, and then were fired upon, I don't know what else they could have done other than being better shooters.

I made no comment or judgements regarding Taylor. I don't know why you bring this up. Only a precious few are Saints but my impression is given that she was working two jobs as an EMT and studying to be a nurse was that she was probably an above average decent and nice person.




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Re: No knock warrants
« Reply #85 on: September 25, 2020, 12:37:39 PM »
It's one of my favorites and i have a few to choose from.  I like AK's and AR's too, built a few AR's.

It sits near my bed on one side, 12 G on the other with 3" magnums 00 buckshot.  ;D

The way my house is laid out i know which directions i can use it; yes i'd defer to the 12g unless i felt i needed more.  Based on crime statics, the average number of people to rob a house is 4, so i don't want to leave any chances.

Where i live now i seriously doubt i'd ever need it, but i like guns so might as well have a few available to play with.

During the LA riots I was living in Inglewood, CA a primary Black neighborhood and they were out on the streets looking for trouble. I didn't have a Benelli at the time but did have a Remington 870. I intentionally loaded it with bird shot and planned to shoot low as a warning that I was armed, willing to shoot, but I didn't want to injure or kill anybody. I never want to shoot anybody because that's when the trouble in you life starts and it will follow you around for the rest of your life. I just wanted to protect myself and property. But I would warn warn them that a 7.62 rifle round would be coming next. I also had a Ruger P-89 as a side arm in case my rifle jammed.

They wisely bypassed my apartment complex where there were other neighbors that were also armed.

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Re: No knock warrants
« Reply #86 on: September 25, 2020, 12:46:34 PM »




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Re: No knock warrants
« Reply #87 on: September 25, 2020, 01:03:07 PM »
During the LA riots I was living in Inglewood, CA a primary Black neighborhood and they were out on the streets looking for trouble. I didn't have a Benelli at the time but did have a Remington 870. I intentionally loaded it with bird shot and planned to shoot low as a warning that I was armed, willing to shoot, but I didn't want to injure or kill anybody. I never want to shoot anybody because that's when the trouble in you life starts and it will follow you around for the rest of your life. I just wanted to protect myself and property. But I would warn warn them that a 7.62 rifle round would be coming next. I also had a Ruger P-89 as a side arm in case my rifle jammed.

They wisely bypassed my apartment complex where there were other neighbors that were also armed.

I have an 870 pump as well; i've had it for a long time. 

I would never fire at anyone unless it was life or death, but once you cross the threshold of my house i'd rather spend $40k on a attorney and a couple years in court than die.

My thoughts are once something like this happens everything would happen so fast and panic would set in, i'd have to have my mind made up already or i'd freeze up.  If someone is inside my house unannounced, well that sucks for them.

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Re: No knock warrants
« Reply #88 on: September 25, 2020, 01:18:17 PM »
You specified two things that you feel the police did wrong: that it should have been a no-knock warrant and that they should have worn bodycams. The implications is that if they had did those two things the outcome may have been different. Since we both agree that wearing bodycams would not have changed the outcome then the only other thing you think the police did wrong was not doing a no-knock entry. This may have changed the outcome but most believe, including an experience LE officer who has done this whole life, disagrees. This was considered a soft target and there was no evidence that she presented a threat. The police did nothing wrong by knocking and announcing themselves.

I never "insisted" that you didn't. You just made that up. I wanted to be crystal clear as to your stand on whether or not you believe the police announced themselves. It makes all the difference to what transpired.

Typical of a Liberal. Always making everything a matter of race. Never did I mention race nor do I believe it was pertinent to the case and never even implied it was a factor. There was a thread on here about Thomas Sowell in which I remarked that he is the most influential person in my life in forming my thinking and world view. His student, Walter Williams, whose articles I read weekly, is another one. Both happen to be Black. But I respect your honesty in admitting your bias against the police.

I never denied they had a no-knock warrant. Again you just made that up. In fact, I specified that it was later rescinded when it was determined that Taylor was a soft target. I answer all your questions point by point as I am doing now. I just thought it was so absurdly preposterous to even ask a question equating Bin Laden and Breanna Taylor. Some questions are so patently silly that it doesn't deserve a serious answer.

I read in the news, where I get all my information on this case just as you do, that Kenneth Walker was a drug dealer. I just read an article by the Washington Post
titled, Correcting the misinformation about Breanna Taylor; saying that is false. So I take back that accusation. I don't see how it changes anything.

Again, I wanted to establish beyond any doubt that you believe the police announce themselves as it makes all the difference in how you answer the second, more important question. I find it very, very odd that in regard to whether or not you believe Walker was justified in shooting at the police you replied, "I haven’t given thought to this question.". The one thing that cause this entire mess you haven't given any thought to. Your only focus was on the police. Now it is clear why in all of this back and forth you never once addressed Walker firing at the police. The one and only thing that caused all of this. Again, your bias against the police is put glaringly on display.

I cannot comment if I think Walker should have been allowed to carry a gun because I have no idea his past history. I believe that every law abiding citizen over 21 years old should be allow to own and carry a gun.

As I believe they were correct in issuing a knock first warrant, announcing themselves, and then were fired upon, I don't know what else they could have done other than being better shooters.

I made no comment or judgements regarding Taylor. I don't know why you bring this up. Only a precious few are Saints but my impression is given that she was working two jobs as an EMT and studying to be a nurse was that she was probably an above average decent and nice person.

You’re a joke. I can’t read your nonsense anymore. You called Taylor and walker drug dealers but then say you made no judgements towards them? Lol ok.

You make false accusations then try and turn the tables.

I’m a liberal cop hater who wants to defund the police and you’re a sexual deviant who hates blacks, engages in street fights with the mentally ill and homeless but then runs from police  hiding on the bus and thinks cops are above reproach in this case. Are you satisfied?


I’m sure you’re a fun guy to be around.


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Re: No knock warrants
« Reply #89 on: September 25, 2020, 01:29:10 PM »
You’re a joke. I can’t read your nonsense anymore. You called Taylor and walker drug dealers but then say you made no judgements towards them? Lol ok.

You make false accusations then try and turn the tables.

I’m a liberal cop hater who wants to defund the police and you’re a sexual deviant who hates blacks, engages in street fights with the mentally ill and homeless but then runs from police  hiding on the bus and thinks cops are above reproach in this case. Are you satisfied?


I’m sure you’re a fun guy to be around.

Calling yourself a liberal cop-hater is being redundant.

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Re: No knock warrants
« Reply #90 on: September 25, 2020, 01:29:33 PM »
What's funny? An entire houston family and the dogs were killed around a year ago in a no knock warrant on the wrong fucken house!

It has only been on houston news! Why you ask? Because every officer was black and the family was white!

Bench

Bench thanks for your service and your perspective.

Why would the police issue a warrant at midnight for a low risk target? I know the obvious answer is because they were issuing a high risk warrant at a known acquaintances residence but I ask because I’m not convinced these guys executed the warrant in the safest manner possible (this is based only on the public evidence I read). Am I off base with this opinion?

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Re: No knock warrants
« Reply #91 on: September 25, 2020, 01:31:23 PM »
Calling yourself a liberal cop-hater is being redundant.

Those are Pellius words not mine.

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Re: No knock warrants
« Reply #92 on: September 25, 2020, 03:54:03 PM »
You’re a joke. I can’t read your nonsense anymore. You called Taylor and walker drug dealers but then say you made no judgements towards them? Lol ok.

You make false accusations then try and turn the tables.

I’m a liberal cop hater who wants to defund the police and you’re a sexual deviant who hates blacks, engages in street fights with the mentally ill and homeless but then runs from police  hiding on the bus and thinks cops are above reproach in this case. Are you satisfied?


I’m sure you’re a fun guy to be around.

LOL! You Liberals are so predictable. I read you like a cheap comic book. You ask these long drawn out question, each of which I give you the courtesy of answering point by point. You can't answer them changing the subject to the personal character of Taylor and Walker. I called Walker a drug dealer but admitted I was wrong when I got further information. I said that Taylor received a package for her ex-boyfriend. I never commented about her personal decency until my last post. But this has nothing to do with the debate on hand.

Pointing out how astonishing and shallow you are not to even consider the intention and justification of Walker shooting at the police, the one act that change everything and brought us where we are today, exposed you as just not a very clear and honest thinker. Realizing that you are losing the argument and getting brutally owned you then resort to personal attacks and go on a tantrum.

Keeping with my policy in this post of answering all your questions, I will say that, yes, I am satisfied. Another Liberal exposed as foolish, naive, emotional, racist, and wrong.

It's been fun. I do expect you to come back and try to desperately save face like your kind always do. But I'll continue to verbally slap you around until you finally throw a final personal insult, give me a verbal middle finger, and then slink away -- defeated.

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Re: No knock warrants
« Reply #93 on: September 25, 2020, 03:57:02 PM »
Those are Pellius words not mine.

Those are base on your actions and statements. Not mine.

You, and your kind, are destroying this country. Me, and my kind, are trying to save it.
MAGA!

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Re: No knock warrants
« Reply #94 on: September 25, 2020, 07:30:48 PM »
Those are base on your actions and statements. Not mine.

You, and your kind, are destroying this country. Me, and my kind, are trying to save it.
MAGA!

Pellius the conservative who wants drugs legal and sex with minor teens, 

Your words not mine.

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Re: No knock warrants
« Reply #95 on: September 25, 2020, 07:38:15 PM »
Pellius the conservative who wants drugs legal and sex with minor teens, 

Your words not mine.

Ah, I knew you would be back. Yes, I do want drugs legalize for adults. I specifically stated many times that I don't believe sex with minors should be legal. Again you just made that up and can't prove it. I can prove where I said many times that I am against adults having sex with minors. But that's what Liberals do, that's what your kind does, they just tell blatant lies and resort to personal attacks because they always lose in an honest debate.

You act like you are talking to the board and think anyone agrees with you regarding the latter charge. That has already been summarily dismissed. The only time it is brought up is when I am destroying someone in an argument and they have nothing left.

Your tacit admission of your defeat is clearly evident.

I look forward to your future whining and meltdowns.

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Re: No knock warrants
« Reply #96 on: September 25, 2020, 07:43:19 PM »
Ah, I knew you would be back. Yes, I do want drugs legalize for adults. I specifically stated many times that I don't believe sex with minors should be legal. Again you just made that up and can't prove it. I can prove where I said many times that I am against adults having sex with minors. But that's what Liberals do, that's what your kind does, they just tell blatant lies and resort to personal attacks because they always lose in an honest debate.

You act like you are talking to the board and think anyone agrees with you regarding the latter charge. That has already been summarily dismissed. The only time it is brought up is when I am destroying someone in an argument and they have nothing left.

Your tacit admission of your defeat is clearly evident.

I look forward to your future whining and meltdowns.

Tldr.

MELTDOWN

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Re: No knock warrants
« Reply #97 on: September 25, 2020, 07:47:27 PM »
Tldr.

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Translation: "Getting owned. Rendered speechless. Follows every word I say."

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Re: No knock warrants
« Reply #98 on: September 25, 2020, 07:55:06 PM »
Translation: "Getting owned. Rendered speechless. Follows every word I say."

Im Pellius. I think Im an intellectual, I think im owning people when they respond to my posts directed to them!

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Re: No knock warrants
« Reply #99 on: September 25, 2020, 08:18:05 PM »
LOL! You Liberals are so predictable. I read you like a cheap comic book. You ask these long drawn out question, each of which I give you the courtesy of answering point by point. You can't answer them changing the subject to the personal character of Taylor and Walker. I called Walker a drug dealer but admitted I was wrong when I got further information.wron, you continually called him a drug dealer. Please show me where you said you were wrong I said that Taylor received a package for her ex-boyfriend. I never commented about her personal decency until my last post. But this has nothing to do with the debate on hand.a package from her ex, remind me of what crime that is?

Pointing out how astonishing and shallow you are not to even consider the intention and justification of Walker shooting at the police, the one act that change everything and brought us where we are today, exposed you as just not a very clear and honest thinker. Realizing that you are losing the argument and getting brutally owned you then resort to personal attacks and go on a tantrum.wrong you did the personal attack I responded in kind. I gave an honest opinion, I'm sorry you didn't like it. I hope when you're in a situation where door is kicked in you make it out alive

Keeping with my policy in this post of answering all your questions, I will say that, yes, I am satisfied. Another Liberal exposed as foolish, naive, emotional, racist, and wrong.wrong. You're the racist liberal.  And a gaslighter. Childish behavior indeed

It's been fun. I do expect you to come back and try to desperately save face like your kind always do. But I'll continue to verbally slap you around until you finally throw a final personal insult, give me a verbal middle finger, and then slink away -- defeated.Pellius i gave honest thoughful answers, with credible links to why I  formed my opinions.  You countered my every point without doing the same. You try to recant what you say and imply that I said something different or you corrected a statement.  Your posts are here for all to read. I did not insult you until you insulted me multiple times. You want to discredit my opinions with slander and not facts. And because I tire of this worthless interaction you say you owned me..... congratulations.  Continue with your  delusional autistic posts.