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Re: Debate Night #1 - Trumpvs. Biden - Cleveland Ohio 09-29-20
« Reply #200 on: September 30, 2020, 03:40:11 AM »
I don’t know that we can really opine on Biden, short of saying that he didn’t come across as a complete imbecile which, based on Trump’s incessant attacks on his competence, was a win.

We wanted a debate and instead we got a farting contest. Does it really matter whose farts were wetter?

For your president, yes.

When a candidate enters a debate and flatly refuses to answer questions (as in verbally refuses), that should be a massive disqualification. Biden was given many passes which is insane. He cannot be trusted.

It seems utterly backwards to me that because a candidate was expected to be incompetent, proved.to be incompetent that somehow he wins........  fuck me do you give last place podium prizes?

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Re: Debate Night #1 - Trumpvs. Biden - Cleveland Ohio 09-29-20
« Reply #201 on: September 30, 2020, 04:17:51 AM »
trumps had bad luck with the covid bs

libtards are taking advantage of it like they could have done a better job stopping the spread of a bug in a massive land mass like america.

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Re: Debate Night #1 - Trumpvs. Biden - Cleveland Ohio 09-29-20
« Reply #202 on: September 30, 2020, 04:18:58 AM »

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Re: Debate Night #1 - Trumpvs. Biden - Cleveland Ohio 09-29-20
« Reply #203 on: September 30, 2020, 04:20:12 AM »
trumps had bad luck with the covid bs

libtards are taking advantage of it like they could have done a better job stopping the spread of a bug in a massive land mass like america.


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Re: Debate Night #1 - Trumpvs. Biden - Cleveland Ohio 09-29-20
« Reply #204 on: September 30, 2020, 04:33:40 AM »
VERDICT: President Trump WINS ‼️

CSPAN: ✅ Trump (53% Trump; 29% Biden)

Telemundo: ✅ Trump (66% Trump; 34% Biden)

CNN: ✅ Trump (3 votes Trump; 1 vote Biden of decided voters) https://api.parler.com/l/6kQse https://api.parler.com/l/EDMq4
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Re: Debate Night #1 - Trumpvs. Biden - Cleveland Ohio 09-29-20
« Reply #205 on: September 30, 2020, 04:36:51 AM »


I'm not a conspiracy theorist, but China looks suspicious with the whole China disease stuff

An alpha american president might have caused the chinks to get PTSD from Hiroshima and Nagasaki

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Re: Debate Night #1 - Trumpvs. Biden - Cleveland Ohio 09-29-20
« Reply #206 on: September 30, 2020, 04:54:43 AM »
stand back.... but stand by.  ;) ;) ;)
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Re: Debate Night #1 - Trumpvs. Biden - Cleveland Ohio 09-29-20
« Reply #207 on: September 30, 2020, 04:57:00 AM »
The debate was awful.

Both candidates had opportunities to hit home runs, but they whiffed.
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Re: Debate Night #1 - Trumpvs. Biden - Cleveland Ohio 09-29-20
« Reply #208 on: September 30, 2020, 05:14:37 AM »
The debate was awful.

Both candidates had opportunities to hit home runs, but they whiffed.

Pretty much.  Trump hit a couple doubles, but that's it.  He interrupted Biden way too much.  All Biden did was lie and repeat the same things over and over.

If you think the 1st debate was a shit-show, what happens in November is going to be 100x that. 

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Re: Debate Night #1 - Trumpvs. Biden - Cleveland Ohio 09-29-20
« Reply #209 on: September 30, 2020, 05:16:13 AM »


Love how he weasels out of that one, slippery Joe doing OK when it comes to normal scumbag politics.

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Re: Debate Night #1 - Trumpvs. Biden - Cleveland Ohio 09-29-20
« Reply #210 on: September 30, 2020, 05:23:54 AM »
Pretty much.  Trump hit a couple doubles, but that's it.  He interrupted Biden way too much.  All Biden did was lie and repeat the same things over and over.

If you think the 1st debate was a shit-show, what happens in November is going to be 100x that.

When Wallace brought up the "very fine people", all Trump had to do was say "Chris, that comment was directed at the people on the statue debate, and I specifically condemned racists afterwards. We need to end this lie".......instead he just said "read the whole transcript".

He could have countered Biden on law enforcement saying "you had a whole convention, and didn't mention the violence happening in our country once, and only spoke on it when the polls shifted".

Easy layups like that.
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Re: Debate Night #1 - Trumpvs. Biden - Cleveland Ohio 09-29-20
« Reply #211 on: September 30, 2020, 05:28:39 AM »
When Wallace brought up the "very fine people", all Trump had to do was say "Chris, that comment was directed at the people on the statue debate, and I specifically condemned racists afterwards. We need to end this lie".......instead he just said "read the whole transcript".

He could have countered Biden on law enforcement saying "you had a whole convention, and didn't mention the violence happening in our country once, and only spoke on it when the polls shifted".

Easy layups like that.
So many missed opportunities. Biden brought up Putin.  I would have brought up Uranium One and Crimea being annexed under the Obama/Biden Admin.  Biden Brought up fake stories like the loser sucker story and the bounty story but denied a senate report about his son receiving money.  Trump needed to hammer him on those.

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Re: Debate Night #1 - Trumpvs. Biden - Cleveland Ohio 09-29-20
« Reply #212 on: September 30, 2020, 05:33:06 AM »
When Wallace brought up the "very fine people", all Trump had to do was say "Chris, that comment was directed at the people on the statue debate, and I specifically condemned racists afterwards. We need to end this lie".......instead he just said "read the whole transcript".

He could have countered Biden on law enforcement saying "you had a whole convention, and didn't mention the violence happening in our country once, and only spoke on it when the polls shifted".

Easy layups like that.
         
         good points, two senile old codgers going at it. kind of like the dinero stallone movie grudge match.
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Re: Debate Night #1 - Trumpvs. Biden - Cleveland Ohio 09-29-20
« Reply #213 on: September 30, 2020, 05:40:06 AM »
The debate was awful.

Both candidates had opportunities to hit home runs, but they whiffed.

This.  The moderator lost control of the debate right from the start.  He should have told both men to shut up and stop interrupting each other.

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Re: Debate Night #1 - Trumpvs. Biden - Cleveland Ohio 09-29-20
« Reply #214 on: September 30, 2020, 06:07:45 AM »
Trump for a narrow win.  Biden came across as weak, looked very pale, not sharp mentally, failed to back law & order, lacked substance on issues, came off as ignorant on issues, was very negative about country, a weak beta male. Trump was himself, pulled no punches, landed more punches, typical alpha male Trump.  Strong alpha vs. weak beta. 

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Re: Debate Night #1 - Trumpvs. Biden - Cleveland Ohio 09-29-20
« Reply #215 on: September 30, 2020, 06:15:47 AM »
Biden looked like he has aged 10 years in 6 months.  He spoke very slowly, had no energy, had a weak tired look in his face, no more threats to fist fight Trump, no more push up challenges.  Very sad and disappointing.  I expected more from Biden.

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Re: Debate Night #1 - Trumpvs. Biden - Cleveland Ohio 09-29-20
« Reply #216 on: September 30, 2020, 06:21:09 AM »
Biden looked like his facial muscles no longer work.  Like he had a stroke and it's been hidden from the public.

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Re: Debate Night #1 - Trumpvs. Biden - Cleveland Ohio 09-29-20
« Reply #217 on: September 30, 2020, 06:28:49 AM »
If that is true then it means Americans don't understand that in a debate you have to answer the questions. Also a party cannot refuse to answer.

It was a shit debate no doubt but Biden came off overwhelmed, unprepared, scripted.



Hard for Biden to answer a question when Trump wouldn't shut the fuck up.  I absolutely loved when Biden told him to Shut up and called him a Clown.  Trump had no response. Although Biden looks like he's 30 minutes from retiring, he started off slow but then caught up and called Trump's bluff.

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Re: Debate Night #1 - Trumpvs. Biden - Cleveland Ohio 09-29-20
« Reply #218 on: September 30, 2020, 06:33:25 AM »
Trump for a narrow win.  Biden came across as weak, looked very pale, not sharp mentally, failed to back law & order, lacked substance on issues, came off as ignorant on issues, was very negative about country, a weak beta male. Trump was himself, pulled no punches, landed more punches, typical alpha male Trump.  Strong alpha vs. weak beta.

I spoke last night with one of my younger brothers and he said pretty much exactly what you did.  My family on my mother's side is liberal.  My mom not only broke with their religion by becoming Catholic (while honoring both sides of the coin of her faith) but she also became very Conservative and all her children and grandchildren have followed suit.

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Re: Debate Night #1 - Trumpvs. Biden - Cleveland Ohio 09-29-20
« Reply #219 on: September 30, 2020, 06:33:56 AM »
VERDICT: President Trump WINS ‼️

CSPAN: ✅ Trump (53% Trump; 29% Biden)

Telemundo: ✅ Trump (66% Trump; 34% Biden)

CNN: ✅ Trump (3 votes Trump; 1 vote Biden of decided voters) https://api.parler.com/l/6kQse https://api.parler.com/l/EDMq4



Coach, you've obviously never watched any of Telemundo shows...every show they have is a bunch of shouting and yelling.  Besides, its a Spanish channel...not an American one
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Re: Debate Night #1 - Trumpvs. Biden - Cleveland Ohio 09-29-20
« Reply #220 on: September 30, 2020, 06:34:03 AM »
This.  The moderator lost control of the debate right from the start.  He should have told both men to shut up and stop interrupting each other.

Yeah, Wallace was awful on multiple fronts, from catering to Trump "you'll like this next one", from actually debating Trump, to ignoring BLM violence, to losing control.

Huge fail.
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Re: Debate Night #1 - Trumpvs. Biden - Cleveland Ohio 09-29-20
« Reply #221 on: September 30, 2020, 06:50:39 AM »
trumps had bad luck with the covid bs

libtards are taking advantage of it like they could have done a better job stopping the spread of a bug in a massive land mass like america.

Trump won on the China flu last night, showed Biden would shut it down and keep it shut down.  Game over

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Re: Debate Night #1 - Trumpvs. Biden - Cleveland Ohio 09-29-20
« Reply #222 on: September 30, 2020, 06:51:05 AM »
What the Democraps and Biden seek is a variation of "Harrison Bergeron" by Kurt Vonnegut.  At least on the surface it appears so and I understand that this supposition is a work in progress.  But still, they would make us all the same by hook or by crook.  They of course would be above us and that by design.

Fuck That Noise.

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Re: Debate Night #1 - Trumpvs. Biden - Cleveland Ohio 09-29-20
« Reply #223 on: September 30, 2020, 06:53:52 AM »
So many missed opportunities. Biden brought up Putin.  I would have brought up Uranium One and Crimea being annexed under the Obama/Biden Admin.  Biden Brought up fake stories like the loser sucker story and the bounty story but denied a senate report about his son receiving money.  Trump needed to hammer him on those.
  Trump and Military Service: A 100 Year Family History (June 6, 2016)
Frederick Trump (1869-1918) m. 1902; Age (1898) 29
Fred Trump (1905-1999) m. 1936 c 1937, 1938; Age (1940) 35
Donald Trump (6/14/1046-present) m. 1977; Age (1964) 18
Military Service: Frederick (None), Fred (None), Donald (None)
We have just celebrated Memorial Day for 2016, so military service to our country is freshly relevant.* In honoring America’s war dead on Memorial Day, we also honor the service of recent veterans and our family members who served to ensure freedom and liberty for all of us. Sort of a family investment in America. Trump has continued to make support for veteran’s a prime topic in the political debate.

Grandfather Frederick, though an immigrant from Germany, was an American citizen in 1898. There was no draft imposed for the Spanish American War, but we have some guidance from the Civil War draft and World War I draft standards to judge his eligibility for service, if not a strict obligation. In 1898 he was 29 years old, single, unmarried, with no dependents, not engaged in any critical war related occupation, and with no religious objections. Thus, he was a prime candidate for service, or induction had there been a draft.

In the spring of 1898 he moved to Canada (until 1901), when he returned briefly to Germany and married in 1902, and then returned to NY. When he attempted to return to Germany on a permanent basis again in 1904, he was expelled from the country because of an official finding that he had evaded his military service obligation (active to age 35) when he originally left the country in 1885. He did not serve in the military in either country. He had no legal military service obligation in the US, but was found to be in violation of his mandatory German 3-year military service duty.

Father Fred was born in 1905. At the time of World War II and the imposition of a draft in 1940, at age 35 he was married and had 2 small children. He was subject to the draft. He was not engaged in any occupation subject to service exemption, such as war related production, public health and safety jobs, or agricultural employment. In truth, even with the expansive induction criteria in 1942, he still would have been lower on the priority list of men to be drafted because of his marriage and 3 dependent children. By 1943 he would have aged out of the high risk draft pool. He was subject to the draft in World War II, but was never called to serve.

In 1964 Donald turned 18 and had to register. He was unmarried, with no dependents, and not engaged in any employment which carried occupational exemptions (war related work, health and safety occupations, farm work). He was prime draft material during the years from 1964-1972. He had typical college student deferments from 1964-1968, but they expired on graduation. He was then classified as 1-A, then 1-Y, and finally 4-F. His high lottery number (.350) was for 1970. So, from June1968 until January 1970 (18 months) he was at high risk to be drafted. He obtained a medical deferment (1-Y) for a minor condition (except in wartime), which was later converted to a permanently disqualifying illness in 1971.

There is another special feature in Donald’s draft history. He graduated high school from the New York Military Academy in 1964, and while a cadet there was an officer in an official established junior R.O.T.C. command. As such, he would have received special considerations had he volunteered for military service (choice of military specialty, officer training school). He declined to take advantage.

For three generations, Trump’s paternal line has not offered or performed any military service for America, voluntary or through the draft. His father and grandfather played by the rules in America, but Donald bent them to advantage.

The Trump men were all eligible for military service to America. Millions of their fellow Americans volunteered or were drafted into service for their country during wartime. The Trumps all chose not to contribute in the most personal way one can to defend America’s freedom of speech, and to preserve the bounties of our economic and political system. They didn’t think the discounted value of their American citizenship, and the bounties our country provides, were worth enough to merit Trump military service.

What they did is not illegal, but it is not admirable or generous. Not even once in 100 years (1885-1980). Through five major military conflicts: Spanish American, World War I, World War II, the Korean War, and Viet Nam (which were contested for 30 years of that time period).

Why does this family history (or, rather lack thereof) matter? Because it means that Trump has no personal experience to learn from and appreciate military sacrifice, and no authentic family history stories to share with the tens of millions of family members of proud Veterans, living and dead who served their country honorably in times of war during the past century.                                                                                         biden should have brought up the trump family's lack of military service.
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Re: Debate Night #1 - Trumpvs. Biden - Cleveland Ohio 09-29-20
« Reply #224 on: September 30, 2020, 07:00:54 AM »
When Wallace brought up the "very fine people", all Trump had to do was say "Chris, that comment was directed at the people on the statue debate, and I specifically condemned racists afterwards. We need to end this lie".......instead he just said "read the whole transcript".

He could have countered Biden on law enforcement saying "you had a whole convention, and didn't mention the violence happening in our country once, and only spoke on it when the polls shifted".

Easy layups like that.

You hit the nail on the head. These kind of remarks would be perfect, simple and effective but Trump went off on weird tangents. He under-estimated Biden, hope he learns and makes changes for the next one.