Debate Night #1 - Trumpvs. Biden - Cleveland Ohio 09-29-20

[The Scott]

  Trump and Military Service: A 100 Year Family History (June 6, 2016)
Frederick Trump (1869-1918) m. 1902; Age (1898) 29
Fred Trump (1905-1999) m. 1936 c 1937, 1938; Age (1940) 35
Donald Trump (6/14/1046-present) m. 1977; Age (1964) 18
Military Service: Frederick (None), Fred (None), Donald (None)
We have just celebrated Memorial Day for 2016, so military service to our country is freshly relevant.* In honoring America’s war dead on Memorial Day, we also honor the service of recent veterans and our family members who served to ensure freedom and liberty for all of us. Sort of a family investment in America. Trump has continued to make support for veteran’s a prime topic in the political debate.

Grandfather Frederick, though an immigrant from Germany, was an American citizen in 1898. There was no draft imposed for the Spanish American War, but we have some guidance from the Civil War draft and World War I draft standards to judge his eligibility for service, if not a strict obligation. In 1898 he was 29 years old, single, unmarried, with no dependents, not engaged in any critical war related occupation, and with no religious objections. Thus, he was a prime candidate for service, or induction had there been a draft.

In the spring of 1898 he moved to Canada (until 1901), when he returned briefly to Germany and married in 1902, and then returned to NY. When he attempted to return to Germany on a permanent basis again in 1904, he was expelled from the country because of an official finding that he had evaded his military service obligation (active to age 35) when he originally left the country in 1885. He did not serve in the military in either country. He had no legal military service obligation in the US, but was found to be in violation of his mandatory German 3-year military service duty.

Father Fred was born in 1905. At the time of World War II and the imposition of a draft in 1940, at age 35 he was married and had 2 small children. He was subject to the draft. He was not engaged in any occupation subject to service exemption, such as war related production, public health and safety jobs, or agricultural employment. In truth, even with the expansive induction criteria in 1942, he still would have been lower on the priority list of men to be drafted because of his marriage and 3 dependent children. By 1943 he would have aged out of the high risk draft pool. He was subject to the draft in World War II, but was never called to serve.

In 1964 Donald turned 18 and had to register. He was unmarried, with no dependents, and not engaged in any employment which carried occupational exemptions (war related work, health and safety occupations, farm work). He was prime draft material during the years from 1964-1972. He had typical college student deferments from 1964-1968, but they expired on graduation. He was then classified as 1-A, then 1-Y, and finally 4-F. His high lottery number (.350) was for 1970. So, from June1968 until January 1970 (18 months) he was at high risk to be drafted. He obtained a medical deferment (1-Y) for a minor condition (except in wartime), which was later converted to a permanently disqualifying illness in 1971.

There is another special feature in Donald’s draft history. He graduated high school from the New York Military Academy in 1964, and while a cadet there was an officer in an official established junior R.O.T.C. command. As such, he would have received special considerations had he volunteered for military service (choice of military specialty, officer training school). He declined to take advantage.

For three generations, Trump’s paternal line has not offered or performed any military service for America, voluntary or through the draft. His father and grandfather played by the rules in America, but Donald bent them to advantage.

The Trump men were all eligible for military service to America. Millions of their fellow Americans volunteered or were drafted into service for their country during wartime. The Trumps all chose not to contribute in the most personal way one can to defend America’s freedom of speech, and to preserve the bounties of our economic and political system. They didn’t think the discounted value of their American citizenship, and the bounties our country provides, were worth enough to merit Trump military service.

What they did is not illegal, but it is not admirable or generous. Not even once in 100 years (1885-1980). Through five major military conflicts: Spanish American, World War I, World War II, the Korean War, and Viet Nam (which were contested for 30 years of that time period).

Why does this family history (or, rather lack thereof) matter? Because it means that Trump has no personal experience to learn from and appreciate military sacrifice, and no authentic family history stories to share with the tens of millions of family members of proud Veterans, living and dead who served their country honorably in times of war during the past century.                                                                                         biden should have brought up the trump family's lack of military service.

To be both direct and honest, this is of little concern to many on both sides of this debate.  Few men are Patton.  No...Not Oswalt Patton,  General George Patton.  Even among generals, few are  as great as he.

In speaking with the maternal side of my family over the decades of my life I have come to understand that many of them tend to view the military as a necessary "retarded" child.  It is there to protect them from the Nazis, both real as in WWII and imaginary, i.e., those they choose to label such, primarily to belittle, neutralize, etc.  It is also there to keep the lower classes in line should we rise up against our betters.   A male relative, looking at me with disdain in his face and hatred in his eyes said that "people" such as I serve two things:  Their master and his purpose.  Of course if he were in a bad area of town he would wish the Goylem were there to protect him from harm.

[loco]

I'm not a conspiracy theorist, but China looks suspicious with the whole China disease stuff

An alpha american president might have caused the chinks to get PTSD from Hiroshima and Nagasaki

I agree, but it's simpler than the Chinese getting PTSD from Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

The US economy under Trump was booming before the virus, while China's economy was going down the toilet in big part because of the trade war Trump started with them.

Trump is winning the game of economic chicken with China
https://finance.yahoo.com/m/06d535ab-511b-39e5-b4f3-fce315a14fc7/trump-is-winning-the-game-of.html

Trump will win the trade war with China, says Gary Shilling
https://www.cnbc.com/video/2019/01/05/trump-will-win-the-trade-war-with-china-says-gary-shilling.html

kinda like selling ice to an eskimo 

Asia markets sink as the Chinese yuan tumbles



Asian markets plummeted Monday as the Chinese yuan fell sharply, days after US President Donald Trump's vow to impose fresh tariffs on goods from China sent trade war fears soaring.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/asia-markets-sink-chinese-yuan-tumbles-035245712--finance.html

China will lower import tariffs on over 850 products from January 1, finance ministry says
PUBLISHED SUN, DEC 22 2019
https://www.cnbc.com/2019/12/23/china-will-lower-import-tariffs-on-over-850-products-from-january-1.html

Trump signs ‘phase one’ trade deal with China in push to stop economic conflict
PUBLISHED WED, JAN 15 2020
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/01/15/trump-and-china-sign-phase-one-trade-agreement.html

[El Diablo Blanco]

I hate the fucking Chinese.  Bunch of soulless pricks

[Rascal full]

Good points Loco. Funny how this virus has benefitted the chinks so much and turned what was happening on its head into their favor.

Everything was improving, Trump was sticking up for Americas interest on the world stage. Biden doesn't have the sack for that.

[The Scott]

I hate the fucking Chinese.  Bunch of soulless pricks

Nothing but a bunch of pricks is right, brother! They murdered countless female babies and now they're a shitload of roosters without any hens to peck. 

Trump 2020 and beyond!

[Primemuscle]

Holy shit! Never have I agreed with so many of you all. Only a couple of  diehard Trump puppets remain delusional. Not naming any names.

[Royalty]

BIDEN WAS WEARING A WIRE


https://www.instagram.com/p/CFwrMKZggVZ/?igshid=d3jotp1oapoo

[Royalty]

BIDEN was HIDEN’ something up his sleeve too


https://mobile.twitter.com/chiiium/status/1311275761807101952?s=10

[deadz]

They both failed but its TRUMP 2020 for me.

[The Scott]

Holy shit! Never have I agreed with so many of you all. Only a couple of  diehard Trump puppets remain delusional. Not naming any names.

Merde alors, eh?  Reality does not feed your ego, trust me.

Your party and mind are naught but a whited sepulcher. Oh wait...You would call it a "privileged sepulcher".

[deadz]

Holy shit! Never have I agreed with so many of you all. Only a couple of  diehard Trump puppets remain delusional. Not naming any names.

You're a FOOL if you think Sleepy Joe will win, delusional.

[loco]

Holy shit! Never have I agreed with so many of you all. Only a couple of  diehard Trump puppets remain delusional. Not naming any names.

You've been the puppet to your many gay ventriloquists.

[Kahn.N.Singh]

Biden's a daft, atrophied, old codger. He didn't pass the eye test, was incoherent, and looked like an impotent, smelly sack of dying bacteria. Here's a test: watch the "debate" again with the sound off – who looks like he has command and presence?

[Army of One]

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[The Scott]

Biden's a daft, atrophied, old codger. He didn't pass the eye test, was incoherent, and looked like an impotent, smelly sack of dying bacteria. Here's a test: watch the "debate" again with the sound off – who looks like he has command and presence?

The finest writer we have here!  Good to see you, sir!

[Kahn.N.Singh]

The finest writer we have here!  Good to see you, sir!

My friend (and to my other friends), always a pleasure!

Stay well,
Kahn

[Grape Ape]

Biden's a daft, atrophied, old codger. He didn't pass the eye test, was incoherent, and looked like an impotent, smelly sack of dying bacteria. Here's a test: watch the "debate" again with the sound off – who looks like he has command and presence?

That's a pretty cool lens/perspective.

[loco]

No mask.  No social distancing.  Sickly old man spit on Wallace's face.   

Democratic presidential candidate former Vice President Joe Biden and Jill Biden, lean in to talk to moderator Chris Wallace of Fox News at the conclusion of the first presidential debate

[loco]

President Trump was asked to condemn white supremacists and militia groups, but Biden was never asked to condemn Antifa and BLM.

[Grape Ape]

President Trump was asked to condemn white supremacists and militia groups, but Biden was never asked to condemn Antifa and BLM.

Trump already had condemned them in the famous "very fine people" lie.

That's all he had to say.

[Royalty]

President Trump was asked to condemn white supremacists and militia groups, but Biden was never asked to condemn Antifa and BLM.

Trump asked which group to condemn. He said “ok, what shall we call them?” I think he said it twice. And the moderator didn’t name a group to condemn.

Biden was not asked to condemn anyone because he was given easy questions

[The Scott]

When someone screams that I am a racist (and this happens in public by sign wielding cretins) I simply tell them I am human and therefor I am for humans.  They behave as dangerous, unreasoning, wild animals and I will choose civilized humans over them any day.

One slob recently threatened to drag me from my car while I waited to turn left at an intersection he was screaming from.  I had my windows down and showed him my handicapable placard and my polio cane and assured him that his ass would be in jail after he was released from the ICU.

I will NOT be harmed by these cretins.   He was the only black guy at a BLM DEF2YT "meet and beat".  The world hasn't gone mad, the media makes it seem so for their advantage but as I said to another person here, crazy will NOT fuck with crazier.  And if crazier is bigger and stronger it will really stear clear.  And if that doesn't work it's time to go Josey Wales on them.

The cucktards here will ultimately eat one another because they don't celebrate differences, they despise them. Everyone must not just toe their line but snort it as well.

Fuck That Noise.

[residue]

none of these mongrels are fit to be president, here's hoping America burns to the ground. Hit the fucking reset button

[Rascal full]

When someone screams that I am a racist (and this happens in public by sign wielding cretins) I simply tell them I am human and therefor I am for humans.  They behave as dangerous, unreasoning, wild animals and I will choose civilized humans over them any day.

One slob recently threatened to drag me from my car while I waited to turn left at an intersection he was screaming from.  I had my windows down and showed him my handicapable placard and my polio cane and assured him that his ass would be in jail after he was released from the ICU.

I will NOT be harmed by these cretins.   He was the only black guy at a BLM DEF2YT "meet and beat".  The world hasn't gone mad, the media makes it seem so for their advantage but as I said to another person here, crazy will NOT fuck with crazier.  And if crazier is bigger and stronger it will really stear clear.  And if that doesn't work it's time to go Josey Wales on them.

The cucktards here will ultimately eat one another because they don't celebrate differences, they despise them. Everyone must not just toe their line but snort it as well.

Fuck That Noise.

You carry a fire arm Scott? Some punk tries to drag you from your car you can legally light him up I believe? One of the joys of America, your access to guns and sensible rights to protect yourself if under attack.

[El Diablo Blanco]

Trying to argue about who won this is like having the Kentucky Derby with just two 3-legged horses showing up and running the race in 45 minutes and calling it a winner.