Did Dorian Yates out work everyone?

[IroNat]

Did Leroy's vocal chords develop excessively from shouting at Dorian?

[Dalnet]

Yep, Yates is letting these guys go too hard on their sets, they're going too heavy on some exercises where they are just grinding. The stress is going onto the joints and tendons snd not fully on the muscle. If they keep training like that an injury is bound to occur.

Similar thing happened to me when I first started under the wing of a hit fan who was older than me and juiced to the gills. He was clearly a dorisan fan being from the same city and pushed me way too hard on shoulder press. Have a lasting injury because of my listening to him on that one session. My fault but damn that prick for his sadism.

[oldtimer1]

Incorrect. Let's take his old back routine from a 1986 mag. It went like this

Weighted chin ups 3 work sets
Bent rows 3 work sets
Cable rows 3 work sets
Deadlifts 4 sets of 10 8 6 6 pyramiding up the weight.

He did chest and shoulders along with back so his workouts far exceeded that of the 45 minutes that he claims to have done.

Yates did conventional methods to build up. Not one set to failure hit guff.

When he switched to the one set method, not hit though, he also upped the dosage of his drugs. He was a hyper responder to the large cocktail of roids he was on that he probably could get way with just one top set.

The narrator in the blood and guts vid states that Yates did "a few warm up sets then does one set to failure and beyond" but in the vid he did anything but. First, he's using pyramid sets, nothing new there. Then he does his last set with a bit of assistance from Leeroy. But did he do any forced reps? Rest pause? Drop sets? To go beyond failure...no he did not. On some exercises he didn't even go to failure so how is that hit? It is not.

No. Yates trained conventionally for the most part. His method is no different than many of the pro's and amateur bodybuilders who have come and gone over the years,

Blood and guts is not a training manual. It is just for entertainment purposes and nothing more. You really think Yates trained like that day in, day out with leeroy shouting at him? It's all done for cameras. It's all for entertainment.

Yates is just another old former champion hyping himself up by telling stories and making out he took very few dosages of roids. Yeah, right.

He has to stay relevant because what else has he got? Nothing. He has no real qualifications  or other work experience. His life has been bodybuilding. He's going to keep selling the HIT kool aid until the day he dies and the hit clan are going to keep lapping it up. It's very misleading and very dishonest.

As for hit being good for those that claim they don't have time (they have time but make up excuses) it certainly is time efficient but it will not yield good results at all.

He trained with one set to failure from 1993 on.  Prior to 1993 he used two work sets per exercise. For the Night of the Champions, he used two sets per exercise and around six work sets per body part. His split for the Night of the Champions was chest and arms, leg then back/delts. No, he didn't use forced reps but he went to failure.

 I don't understand what is so confusing about warming up before doing that one set to failure? His last warm up set doing inclines prior to his work set was 315lbs then he loaded to the bar to about 410lbs to failure. Should he have walked into the gym then loaded the bar to 410lbs without warming up to prove to you he's doing one set to failure? When I do the leg press, I will do a light weight for 12 reps. I bet I could get 30 reps with it. The second warm up set is heavier, and I get 8 reps. I could get about 20 to failure. Then I load it up and come very close to failure at around 13 reps. I count that as one set to failure.

I have trained with limited sets for many decades. I want to say about 45 years. Having said that I will say with no hesitation that volume has value. A real HIT zealot wouldn't say that. Your contempt for Yates speaks of your volume zealotry.

[illuminati]

Incorrect. Let's take his old back routine from a 1986 mag. It went like this

Weighted chin ups 3 work sets
Bent rows 3 work sets
Cable rows 3 work sets
Deadlifts 4 sets of 10 8 6 6 pyramiding up the weight.

He did chest and shoulders along with back so his workouts far exceeded that of the 45 minutes that he claims to have done.

Yates did conventional methods to build up. Not one set to failure hit guff.

When he switched to the one set method, not hit though, he also upped the dosage of his drugs. He was a hyper responder to the large cocktail of roids he was on that he probably could get way with just one top set.

The narrator in the blood and guts vid states that Yates did "a few warm up sets then does one set to failure and beyond" but in the vid he did anything but. First, he's using pyramid sets, nothing new there. Then he does his last set with a bit of assistance from Leeroy. But did he do any forced reps? Rest pause? Drop sets? To go beyond failure...no he did not. On some exercises he didn't even go to failure so how is that hit? It is not.

No. Yates trained conventionally for the most part. His method is no different than many of the pro's and amateur bodybuilders who have come and gone over the years,

Blood and guts is not a training manual. It is just for entertainment purposes and nothing more. You really think Yates trained like that day in, day out with leeroy shouting at him? It's all done for cameras. It's all for entertainment.

Yates is just another old former champion hyping himself up by telling stories and making out he took very few dosages of roids. Yeah, right.

He has to stay relevant because what else has he got? Nothing. He has no real qualifications  or other work experience. His life has been bodybuilding. He's going to keep selling the HIT kool aid until the day he dies and the hit clan are going to keep lapping it up. It's very misleading and very dishonest.

As for hit being good for those that claim they don't have time (they have time but make up excuses) it certainly is time efficient but it will not yield good results at all.

"When he switched to the one set method, not hit though, he also upped the dosage of his drugs. He was a hyper responder to the large cocktail of roids he was on that he probably could get way with just one top set. "

We've been down this road before - Tell me how you know
exactly what & how much he was taking ??

You've Never even trained at his gym not once.

I get you dislike Dorian & Mike mentzer that's fine
just back up your statement.

[JackTheRipper]

"When he switched to the one set method, not hit though, he also upped the dosage of his drugs. He was a hyper responder to the large cocktail of roids he was on that he probably could get way with just one top set. "

We've been down this road before - Tell me how you know
exactly what & how much he was taking ??

You've Never even trained at his gym not once.

I get you dislike Dorian & Mike mentzer that's fine
just back up your statement.

Great post Bud

[Rmj11]

"When he switched to the one set method, not hit though, he also upped the dosage of his drugs. He was a hyper responder to the large cocktail of roids he was on that he probably could get way with just one top set. "

We've been down this road before - Tell me how you know
exactly what & how much he was taking ??

You've Never even trained at his gym not once.

I get you dislike Dorian & Mike mentzer that's fine
just back up your statement.

Oh dear. Another navies Yates fan. His old stack was published in an old issue of Musclar and Development a decade or so ago. If you really think it was his way of training that got him very big then you really are ignorant.

I dislike con men like Yates and methzer.

[Rmj11]

He trained with one set to failure from 1993 on.  Prior to 1993 he used two work sets per exercise. For the Night of the Champions, he used two sets per exercise and around six work sets per body part. His split for the Night of the Champions was chest and arms, leg then back/delts. No, he didn't use forced reps but he went to failure.

 I don't understand what is so confusing about warming up before doing that one set to failure? His last warm up set doing inclines prior to his work set was 315lbs then he loaded to the bar to about 410lbs to failure. Should he have walked into the gym then loaded the bar to 410lbs without warming up to prove to you he's doing one set to failure? When I do the leg press, I will do a light weight for 12 reps. I bet I could get 30 reps with it. The second warm up set is heavier, and I get 8 reps. I could get about 20 to failure. Then I load it up and come very close to failure at around 13 reps. I count that as one set to failure.

I have trained with limited sets for many decades. I want to say about 45 years. Having said that I will say with no hesitation that volume has value. A real HIT zealot wouldn't say that. Your contempt for Yates speaks of your volume zealotry.

Wrong. Yates did more work sets and some of those "warms ups" as he calls them are not warm ups. 325 on the incline is not a warm up. There is sufficent load and tension being put on the muscle on that set. He may not have gone all out but he's still getting some stimulation from that set. He used old pyramid sets scheme which is nothing radical and his training wasn't even that intense. Yes I have seen you have trained with limited sets and it shows. Should've done more volume.

[NarcissisticDeity]

 

[illuminati]

Oh dear. Another navies Yates fan. His old stack was published in an old issue of Musclar and Development a decade or so ago. If you really think it was his way of training that got him very big then you really are ignorant.

I dislike con men like Yates and methzer.

Are you a child ? or you just like to act like one.
You're always found out when asked to back up your claims.
Are you that stupid , gullible & dumb you believe what printed in muscle mags.

Also where have I stated Low sets made his physique- Thats in your deluded mind.
I've trained at Temple gym in the late 80's & 90s - You've never set foot inside.

Have you ever spoken to Dorian one to one ?  Do you know any of the pro's Dorian has advised ?
Do you even know who was a big adviser to Dorian?

Let's see your answers Boy.

Oh & I can't stand jumped up wannabe's who know Fuck all about anything
& post stupid crap.

[Rmj11]

Are you a child ? or you just like to act like one.
You're always found out when asked to back up your claims.
Are you that stupid , gullible & dumb you believe what printed in muscle mags.

Also where have I stated Low sets made his physique- Thats in your deluded mind.
I've trained at Temple gym in the late 80's & 90s - You've never set foot inside.

Have you ever spoken to Dorian one to one ?  Do you know any of the pro's Dorian has advised ?
Do you even know who was a big adviser to Dorian?

Let's see your answers Boy.

Oh & I can't stand jumped up wannabe's who know Fuck all about anything
& post stupid crap.

Again, a triggered Yates fan. You obviously have never read his books or training journals. Nothing low volume or hit about them. Sorry little fella but you have been duped.

[pamith]

Tbh no one can train harder than Dorian

[Palumboism]

Exactly. For if that were true the (s)hit warriors would be benching 500 pounds for reps by now. They don't realise that progression comes in many forms. Super sets, tri sets, giant sets, higher reps, lower reps, more sets, cluster sets, high frequency etc. They have no idea at all. They read all this methzer, John Little bs and then think they've found the answer. Bodybuilding is more of an art than a science. There is no one way to train and make progress. Even Yates did various training styles to build his body. Pyramiding sets, straight sets, reverse sets, drop sets etc he used a variation of training styles to build up.

Now he goes on about how his version of hit, but not really hit, was the way he made great gains. It wasn't. It was his drug stack.

Where do his career ending injuries factor into this.  Was the biceps injury that ended his career the result of HIT training?

[JackTheRipper]

regardless what people think about his training Dorian was Mr O 

[illuminati]

Again, a triggered Yates fan. You obviously have never read his books or training journals. Nothing low volume or hit about them. Sorry little fella but you have been duped.

Ha ha - you're totally unable to back up any of what you've stated.
Carry on with your hatred, lies & made up nonsense Boy.

FFS - you're so far out of your depth you're incapable of offering any reasonable
Answers.

[Van_Bilderass]

Many people say "Dorian trained just like everyone else." I don't think that is quite true, there is a difference between hard training and then trying to really go "HIT." If some longtime trainee with tons of experience was coached by Dorian for a workout, trying to do as Dorian said, they will always say there is pretty large difference. This difference is why they say, "yes it works, but it's too stressful" "I can see doing this periodically." If it was all the same, why all the qualifiers, just lift, who cares.

From what I saw and read I didn't think his training style was misrepresented by himself, it didn't seem like a trick to hide the true volume or whatever

[Humble Narcissist]

Many people say "Dorian trained just like everyone else." I don't think that is quite true, there is a difference between hard training and then trying to really go "HIT." If some longtime trainee with tons of experience was coached by Dorian for a workout, trying to do as Dorian said, they will always say there is pretty large difference. This difference is why they say, "yes it works, but it's too stressful" "I can see doing this periodically." If it was all the same, why all the qualifiers, just lift, who cares.

From what I saw and read I didn't think his training style was misrepresented by himself, it didn't seem like a trick to hide the true volume or whatever

He trained brutally hard.

[Rmj11]

He trained brutally hard.

Nope.

[Rmj11]

Where do his career ending injuries factor into this.  Was the biceps injury that ended his career the result of HIT training?

He tore his forearms, a quad, rotator cuff, bicep, tricep twice was a result of his training methods. If Yates had never listened to meth head in the first place he would be had a longer career in bpbodybuilding and look a lot better in his older years instead of looking like cr@p.

[Rmj11]

Ha ha - you're totally unable to back up any of what you've stated.
Carry on with your hatred, lies & made up nonsense Boy.

FFS - you're so far out of your depth you're incapable of offering any reasonable
Answers.

Well OK. Let's get confirmation from the guy himself, huh? This quote is back from 2014 on his twitter account.


"AdamB
@Adambloor1984
@Dorian_Yates
 had you incorporated your HIT style of training at that stage? Or did you use the more traditional volume style?
8:05 pm · 7 Dec 2014

Dorian Yates
@Dorian_Yates
·
7 Dec 2014
@Adambloor1984
 traditional"

https://twitter.com/Dorian_Yates/status/541669236985561089

Right from the horse's mouth. Best you do more research in the future, kid.

[illuminati]

Well OK. Let's get confirmation from the guy himself, huh? This quote is back from 2014 on his twitter account.


"AdamB
@Adambloor1984
@Dorian_Yates
 had you incorporated your HIT style of training at that stage? Or did you use the more traditional volume style?
8:05 pm · 7 Dec 2014

Dorian Yates
@Dorian_Yates
·
7 Dec 2014
@Adambloor1984
 traditional"

https://twitter.com/Dorian_Yates/status/541669236985561089

Right from the horse's mouth. Best you do more research in the future, kid.

"Also where have I stated Low sets made his physique- Thats in your deluded mind.
I've trained at Temple gym in the late 80's & 90s -
1,Had you ever set foot inside Dorian's gym in 80's/ 90's ??

2, Have you ever spoken to Dorian one to one ??
3, Do you personally know any of the pro's Dorian has advised ?
4, Do you even know who was a big adviser to Dorian??  & No not Bullshit Boresson

4 simple questions to answer ................

[Rmj11]

"Also where have I stated Low sets made his physique- Thats in your deluded mind.
I've trained at Temple gym in the late 80's & 90s -
1,Had you ever set foot inside Dorian's gym in 80's/ 90's ??

2, Have you ever spoken to Dorian one to one ??
3, Do you personally know any of the pro's Dorian has advised ?
4, Do you even know who was a big adviser to Dorian??  & No not Bullshit Boresson

4 simple questions to answer ................

Still deflecting I see. Facts are facts, little fella. Yates has admitted so.

[illuminati]

Still deflecting I see. Facts are facts, little fella. Yates has admitted so.

These question's to difficult for you??
As for deflection,  it is you how can't/ won't answer 4 simple question

[Arthur Nus]

i thought he didn't have a job

was this some undeclared work then?

[Rmj11]

These question's to difficult for you??
As for deflection,  it is you how can't/ won't answer 4 simple question

No deflection on my part. Just you since you can't accept that Dorian in his own words has admitted that he didn't do hit to build up. You got beat, little guy.

[Rmj11]

Not his actual workout.