Author Topic: Did Dorian Yates out work everyone?  (Read 25612 times)

joswift

  • Competitors
  • Getbig V
  • *****
  • Posts: 34955
Did Dorian Yates out work everyone?
« on: September 30, 2020, 07:57:59 AM »
Incline press worked up to 1 set of 4 plates a side for 6 reps, no forced reps

machine bench press 1 working set 3.5 plates 7 reps couple forced

in cline fly/press one working set 110lb dumbells 8 reps slight touch

1 set cable crossovers 8 reps




oldtimer1

  • Getbig V
  • *****
  • Posts: 18132
  • Getbig!
Re: Did Dorian out work everyone?
« Reply #1 on: September 30, 2020, 08:40:14 AM »
Dorian and Coleman were hard core trainers. None of this casual light weights workouts that are so common now.

joswift

  • Competitors
  • Getbig V
  • *****
  • Posts: 34955
Re: Did Dorian out work everyone?
« Reply #2 on: September 30, 2020, 08:45:32 AM »
Dorian and Coleman were hard core trainers. None of this casual light weights hand in the gym workouts.
No drop sets, super sets, giant sets?

Platz spent 5 minutes on a set sometimes..

Methyl m1ke

  • Getbig IV
  • ****
  • Posts: 1604
Re: Did Dorian out work everyone?
« Reply #3 on: September 30, 2020, 05:15:05 PM »
His chest routine is POF which i think is what makes low volume actually productive. The routine seems basic but its actually pretty scientific. Note the brief squeeze on each rep of crossovers. I dont like his execution on flyes but its good enough.

Scale of 1-10 his chest workout scores a 9.5

AbrahamG

  • Getbig V
  • *****
  • Posts: 19544
  • Affeman Is Numero Uno
Re: Did Dorian out work everyone?
« Reply #4 on: September 30, 2020, 05:16:19 PM »
No drop sets, super sets, giant sets?

Platz spent 5 minutes on a set sometimes..

Yes and Platz looks like a lesbian and Dorian is the fucking GOAT.

Royalty

  • Getbig V
  • *****
  • Posts: 33029
  • Nasser Endorses Trump 🇺🇸
Re: Did Dorian out work everyone?
« Reply #5 on: September 30, 2020, 05:28:53 PM »
I know that most of the board will disagree with me, but I think that Dorian had better genetics that most of his rivals

Methyl m1ke

  • Getbig IV
  • ****
  • Posts: 1604
Re: Did Dorian out work everyone?
« Reply #6 on: September 30, 2020, 05:32:08 PM »
Also it was Ronnie Coleman who outworked everyone else. Trust and believe that. His work ethic blows my mind still to this day. Incredible.

harmankardon1

  • Getbig IV
  • ****
  • Posts: 3097
Re: Did Dorian out work everyone?
« Reply #7 on: September 30, 2020, 05:33:51 PM »
I know that most of the board will disagree with me, but I think that Dorian had better genetics that most of his rivals

X2

Sure dorian didn't have the best shape compared to the very aesthetic physiques of the nineties, but he had a good frame with freaky body parts, got in awesome condition and had the ability to gain massive amounts of mass.... That's not all hard work there's a lot of genetics in that too.

Mr Anabolic

  • Getbig V
  • *****
  • Posts: 10647
  • Better to die on your feet than on your knees.
Re: Did Dorian out work everyone?
« Reply #8 on: September 30, 2020, 05:56:17 PM »
His training partner wasted a lot of energy screaming like that. 

The Scott

  • Getbig V
  • *****
  • Posts: 22552
  • I'm a victim of soicumcision!!
Re: Did Dorian out work everyone?
« Reply #9 on: September 30, 2020, 05:59:07 PM »
His chest routine is POF which i think is what makes low volume actually productive. The routine seems basic but its actually pretty scientific. Note the brief squeeze on each rep of crossovers. I dont like his execution on flyes but its good enough.

Scale of 1-10 his chest workout scores a 9.5

What does this mean, pof?  please!

pellius

  • Getbig V
  • *****
  • Posts: 22827
  • RIP Keith Jones aka OnlyMe/NoWorries. 1/10/2011
Re: Did Dorian out work everyone?
« Reply #10 on: September 30, 2020, 06:23:57 PM »
Dorain trained four days a week. He worked hard and he trained intensely. But I don't think he was the hardest worker if it is measured by time spent in the gym and other ancillary work. Jay Cutler trained twice a day six days a week. Countless across the world are in the gym six days a week in addition to hold a full time job.

I've seen many train more intensely. Platz for one. Look at some of the routines Milos does and puts his clients through?

But, unlike what we are told and what people like and want to believe, the hardest worker is rarely, if ever, the most successful. It's the smartest and most gifted. Dorian was very meticulous in his training and didn't just willy nilly go through a workout. He kept written records and charted his progress or lack thereof and constantly made adjustments. Same with hormones and diet. Dorian was genetically gifted like they all are at the pro level but I don't think he was the most gifted. One of the things that separated him from the pack wasn't just his size, their were guys like Dillet and Nasser that matched him there, it was his conditioning. And that requires not only supreme discipline by knowing your body to a T.

BossBoss

  • Getbig III
  • ***
  • Posts: 556
  • part-time IFBB-Professional
Re: Did Dorian out work everyone?
« Reply #11 on: September 30, 2020, 06:51:37 PM »
What would Ronnie Coleman look like with Dorians Training? the same? Different?
And what would Jay Cutler look like with Ronnie Colemans Training?

For Example
I think it would be pointless for Cutler to train like Coleman.
He was not strong enough to train with the same weights so he has to use more Volume.

Maybe Coleman would looked the same without heavy weights.

I think HIT training make sense, for People who are physical strong.
If you are weak and can’t use enough weight then this wouldn't be effective.

If you push 200lbs on your first day HIT is for you.

Otherwise most people would be better to train high volume with short breaks,
like Milos trains his Clients.

If you won the Genetic lottery you don’t need to care at all...

Coffeed

  • Getbig IV
  • ****
  • Posts: 2938
  • Athletes representative for Grifted Nutrition.
Re: Did Dorian out work everyone?
« Reply #12 on: September 30, 2020, 07:07:07 PM »
It probably all boiled down to legit kigs in the blood daily,,,

Methyl m1ke

  • Getbig IV
  • ****
  • Posts: 1604
Re: Did Dorian out work everyone?
« Reply #13 on: September 30, 2020, 07:36:35 PM »
What does this mean, pof?  please!

Positions of Flexion
Dorians chest routine fits POF, Arnolds biceps routine (barbell curls incline db curls concentration curks) is POF. however bbers rarely do certain things right like the squeeze on a peak contracted exercise or achieving the bounce needed to activate myotatic reflex. The training theory is very sound, steroids and GH seem to have become the cultures focus but thats not hiw things should be.

The Scott

  • Getbig V
  • *****
  • Posts: 22552
  • I'm a victim of soicumcision!!
Re: Did Dorian out work everyone?
« Reply #14 on: September 30, 2020, 07:38:39 PM »
Positions of Flexion
Dorians chest routine fits POF, Arnolds biceps routine (barbell curls incline db curls concentration curks) is POF. however bbers rarely do certain things right like the squeeze on a peak contracted exercise or achieving the bounce needed to activate myotatic reflex. The training theory is very sound, steroids and GH seem to have become the cultures focus but thats not hiw things should be.

Thank  you.  I had to ask as I want to understand.

Methyl m1ke

  • Getbig IV
  • ****
  • Posts: 1604
Re: Did Dorian out work everyone?
« Reply #15 on: September 30, 2020, 08:44:09 PM »
On my way to hit legs and im looking at either squats or leg press sissy squats extensions lying leg curls stiff deads single leg curls calf raises standing and seated. Very banal stuff if you want to know the truth.

Van_Bilderass

  • Getbig V
  • *****
  • Posts: 16921
  • "Don't Try"
Re: Did Dorian out work everyone?
« Reply #16 on: September 30, 2020, 09:02:55 PM »
Dorian had an extremely aesthetic structure and muscle shape imo.
Aesthetics may be somewhat subjective but there are also some universals there which many can't even put their finger on or articulate but instinctively recognise. For example leg length vs torso length, where Dorian was superb. There is very little that is off with Dorian until he tore the arm and slightly blew out the gut. Maybe he lacked a little quad separation.

Dorian's training was really low volume if you count only the working sets. Which means he felt everything had to happen in that one working set. If you do many working sets, even if at high intensity, you may not give 100% to every set. So the low volume approach can be really mentally taxing. Working at 100% is extremely taxing, you can really tax yourself in a fraction of a second. An extreme example of much more intense effort is a powerlifting max world record attempt. It doesn't take many seconds but can take weeks or months to recover from.

Methyl m1ke

  • Getbig IV
  • ****
  • Posts: 1604
Re: Did Dorian out work everyone?
« Reply #17 on: September 30, 2020, 11:47:24 PM »
Dorian had an extremely aesthetic structure and muscle shape imo.
Aesthetics may be somewhat subjective but there are also some universals there which many can't even put their finger on or articulate but instinctively recognise. For example leg length vs torso length, where Dorian was superb. There is very little that is off with Dorian until he tore the arm and slightly blew out the gut. Maybe he lacked a little quad separation.

Dorian's training was really low volume if you count only the working sets. Which means he felt everything had to happen in that one working set. If you do many working sets, even if at high intensity, you may not give 100% to every set. So the low volume approach can be really mentally taxing. Working at 100% is extremely taxing, you can really tax yourself in a fraction of a second. An extreme example of much more intense effort is a powerlifting max world record attempt. It doesn't take many seconds but can take weeks or months to recover from.

I recall Dorian pointing out that while his physique wasnt pretty it was complete and that you could turn him upside down left to right etc and not find weaknesses. The same was never true of his competitors levrone wheeler sonbaty you could make a case for shawn ray but shawn was too short and his legs were real short. So i would agree, Dorian had a very very favorable skeletal structure. I also believe he really should have retired in 94 after it was obvious his biceps tear was never going to look better than crap. If you look at the olympias he won 92 93 94 95 96 97 only 92 and 93 were respectable. After that he gassed and tore his left biceps. What improvements did he make after 93? Shawn ray arguably deserved at least one sandow same for Levrone and Wheeler. I dont understand why he kept going, if it was purely financial ok I get that but when he finally retired he said the reason was because he did not believe he could still make progress. Well holy fuck welcome to reality and you havent made progress in years! Time to let it go man, you made it you won the Mr Olympia twice now give it a rest and let the other would be legends fight it out. I think his decision was purely in his best interest and not for the good of the sport overall and Ill always hold that against him but regardless Dorian Yates will always be top 3 of all time in my mind and one of the few bodybuilding champio s whose pictures I put up on my walls to get me through. God bless him

honest

  • Competitors
  • Getbig IV
  • *****
  • Posts: 3365
Re: Did Dorian out work everyone?
« Reply #18 on: October 01, 2020, 12:01:16 AM »
Genetics and Bodybuilding IQ and most importantly consistency separated Dorian from everyone else including Ronnie.

Van_Bilderass

  • Getbig V
  • *****
  • Posts: 16921
  • "Don't Try"
Re: Did Dorian out work everyone?
« Reply #19 on: October 01, 2020, 12:39:35 AM »
...

I think his 95 showing was his best, if you overlook the one bicep.

You are right about Shawn's short legs, was what popped into my mind when I wrote my post. Most wouldn't even think about his leg length. It's relatively small things like that affect aesthetics.

AbrahamG

  • Getbig V
  • *****
  • Posts: 19544
  • Affeman Is Numero Uno
Re: Did Dorian out work everyone?
« Reply #20 on: October 01, 2020, 12:45:19 AM »
I think his 95 showing was his best, if you overlook the one bicep.

You are right about Shawn's short legs, was what popped into my mind when I wrote my post. Most wouldn't even think about his leg length. It's relatively small things like that affect aesthetics.

His 1996 German Grand Prix showing is the GOAT (IMO).

Taffin

  • Getbig V
  • *****
  • Posts: 17023
  • "From the pucha to the culo..."
Re: Did Dorian out work everyone?
« Reply #21 on: October 01, 2020, 01:04:08 AM »
Yes and Platz looks like a lesbian and Dorian is the fucking GOAT.

"The Lesbian and the Goat"...

Sounds like some kind of modern PC children's book  ;D
T

Taffin

  • Getbig V
  • *****
  • Posts: 17023
  • "From the pucha to the culo..."
Re: Did Dorian out work everyone?
« Reply #22 on: October 01, 2020, 01:06:32 AM »
Positions of Flexion
Dorians chest routine fits POF, Arnolds biceps routine (barbell curls incline db curls concentration curks) is POF. however bbers rarely do certain things right like the squeeze on a peak contracted exercise or achieving the bounce needed to activate myotatic reflex. The training theory is very sound, steroids and GH seem to have become the cultures focus but thats not hiw things should be.

Sheesh! - that blew the cobwebs away - I remember this being a 'thing' in the IronMan mag 30 years ago - pretty sure I gave it a try too
T

Humble Narcissist

  • Getbig V
  • *****
  • Posts: 32332
Re: Did Dorian out work everyone?
« Reply #23 on: October 01, 2020, 03:46:50 AM »
Genetics and Bodybuilding IQ and most importantly consistency separated Dorian from everyone else including Ronnie.
Agreed.

Fortress

  • Getbig V
  • *****
  • Posts: 20748
Re: Did Dorian out work everyone?
« Reply #24 on: October 01, 2020, 04:58:13 AM »
Dorian, while, as we say, is not “pretty”, is almost the perfect bodybuilder, all things in consideration.