Did Dorian Yates out work everyone?

[MAXX]

I recall Dorian pointing out that while his physique wasnt pretty it was complete and that you could turn him upside down left to right etc and not find weaknesses. The same was never true of his competitors levrone wheeler sonbaty you could make a case for shawn ray but shawn was too short and his legs were real short. So i would agree, Dorian had a very very favorable skeletal structure. I also believe he really should have retired in 94 after it was obvious his biceps tear was never going to look better than crap. If you look at the olympias he won 92 93 94 95 96 97 only 92 and 93 were respectable. After that he gassed and tore his left biceps. What improvements did he make after 93? Shawn ray arguably deserved at least one sandow same for Levrone and Wheeler. I dont understand why he kept going, if it was purely financial ok I get that but when he finally retired he said the reason was because he did not believe he could still make progress. Well holy fuck welcome to reality and you havent made progress in years! Time to let it go man, you made it you won the Mr Olympia twice now give it a rest and let the other would be legends fight it out. I think his decision was purely in his best interest and not for the good of the sport overall and Ill always hold that against him but regardless Dorian Yates will always be top 3 of all time in my mind and one of the few bodybuilding champio s whose pictures I put up on my walls to get me through. God bless him

It's pretty individual I think. Recoveryability. I for example am a "retard" when it comes to recoveryability. I have tried more frequent programs, like last time i tried the "wisconsin method" that Eric Bugenhagen has had great results from. Resulted in me almost tearing a pec. I tried to gradually get to that frequency but I just couldn't without eventually getting tendonitis or soreness that was inviting to injury. Maybe I did something wrong programming that.

[njflex]

I think his 95 showing was his best, if you overlook the one bicep.

You are right about Shawn's short legs, was what popped into my mind when I wrote my post. Most wouldn't even think about his leg length. It's relatively small things like that affect aesthetics.

yates structure and limbs were good,his legs while large weren't stumpy looking they were long and his calves made the appearance more dramatic 'they were insane'his shape wasnt great but like been stated million times his granite look made him the man to beat.

[_bruce_]

1995 Dorian looked amazing. I prefer his younger years though when he was lighter.

[Grape Ape]

1995 Dorian looked amazing. I prefer his younger years though when he was lighter.

This is another example of absolutely awful camera work by whoever shot the video.

It's almost as if they got a new zoom button and were figuring it out during the routine.

Most of the shots show jack shit, and the whole lower body is ignored.

All they had to do was shoot full body from the front, and it would be fine.

I wonder if that footage exists and it was just edited horribly.

[tres_taco_combo]

I think HIT training make sense, for People who are physical strong.
If you are weak and can’t use enough weight then this wouldn't be effective.

ding ding. HIT makes sense if you are just a stronger than normal guy

[joswift]

I have seen many people do harder longer workouts than Dorian.

I do however think Dorian did just enough to stimulate growth and then it was meticulous diet and rets and the right drug combination and of course incredible genetics.

But for him to claim that no one was training harder than him was just not true.

[tres_taco_combo]

But for him to claim that no one was training harder than him was just not true.

there is a saturation point with training... and others trained just as hard.

Dorian training maybe seemed harder due to his dungeon gym and personality, but yes there were other guys who trained just as hard as he did....

[robcguns]

His 1 all out set is bullshit.he did 2-3 sets prior to this “working set” so he did the normal amount of sets just claimed to only count the last one.

With that said DOZ was one of the best ever.

[tres_taco_combo]

With that said DOZ was one of the best ever.

for sure -

[AbrahamG]

"The Lesbian and the Goat"...

Sounds like some kind of modern PC children's book 

Yes, LOL cuz lesbians and goats go together like peanut butter and jelly.

[pellius]

ding ding. HIT makes sense if you are just a stronger than normal guy

Weak is a relative term. How is it different as far as stimulus is concern regardless of strength? Doesn't this mean that women categorically should ever train intensely. If someone takes a set to absolute failure and beyond what difference does it make what the weight is as long as it is heavy enough to take you failure at the 6-15 rep range.

[Methyl m1ke]

I have seen many people do harder longer workouts than Dorian.

I do however think Dorian did just enough to stimulate growth and then it was meticulous diet and rets and the right drug combination and of course incredible genetics.

But for him to claim that no one was training harder than him was just not true.

Well #1 he stated none of his competitors trained harder which is almost certainly true #2 what he also said was that he gave 110% all the time with the inflection being training eating sleeping etc.

[joswift]

Well #1 he stated none of his competitors trained harder which is almost certainly true #2 what he also said was that he gave 110% all the time with the inflection being training eating sleeping etc.

you cant by definition give 110% 100% is the maximum.

And other competitors did train harder, they pushed sets passed failure, they did drop sets super sets giant sets, all far more taxing than 1 set to failure.

[nzgs]

His 1 all out set is bullshit.he did 2-3 sets prior to this “working set” so he did the normal amount of sets just claimed to only count the last one.

With that said DOZ was one of the best ever.

Complete bullshit. 2 plates for 6 reps incline bench is not a working set for him, it's not remotely taxing. He only did one all-out set typically with forced reps, previous sets were not even close to working sets. I hesitate to even call them warm-ups, more a case of dialling in form and mental focus.

I recall Dorian pointing out that while his physique wasnt pretty it was complete and that you could turn him upside down left to right etc and not find weaknesses. The same was never true of his competitors levrone wheeler sonbaty you could make a case for shawn ray but shawn was too short and his legs were real short. So i would agree, Dorian had a very very favorable skeletal structure. I also believe he really should have retired in 94 after it was obvious his biceps tear was never going to look better than crap. If you look at the olympias he won 92 93 94 95 96 97 only 92 and 93 were respectable. After that he gassed and tore his left biceps. What improvements did he make after 93? Shawn ray arguably deserved at least one sandow same for Levrone and Wheeler. I dont understand why he kept going, if it was purely financial ok I get that but when he finally retired he said the reason was because he did not believe he could still make progress. Well holy fuck welcome to reality and you havent made progress in years! Time to let it go man, you made it you won the Mr Olympia twice now give it a rest and let the other would be legends fight it out. I think his decision was purely in his best interest and not for the good of the sport overall and Ill always hold that against him but regardless Dorian Yates will always be top 3 of all time in my mind and one of the few bodybuilding champio s whose pictures I put up on my walls to get me through. God bless him

95 wasn't respectable? People do post a lot of drivel on here. Even 96 and 94 he looked v good. Certainly better than most of Ronnie's or Jay's wins.

[joswift]

Complete bullshit. 2 plates for 6 reps incline bench is not a working set for him, it's not remotely taxing. He only did one all-out set typically with forced reps, previous sets were not even close to working sets. I hesitate to even call them warm-ups, more a case of dialling in form and mental focus.

95 wasn't respectable? People do post a lot of drivel on here. Even 96 and 94 he looked v good. Certainly better than most of Ronnie's or Jay's wins.

Watch the video, his working set on incline bench was 7 reps no forced.

his fly/press were not pushed to failure

in fact he didnt fail on any set, he completed the reps on his own

[njflex]

HE is massive in that video ,his stomach when he puts belt on is pushed out so hard looks painful.amazing when he is in contest form how he dials it in .80 and 90 s were real offseasons they got smooth /big or smaller /softer or smaller /but lean,todays guys are instagram big/lean all year mostly and then show up onstage different then there precontest pics.

[oldtimer1]

His 1 all out set is bullshit.he did 2-3 sets prior to this “working set” so he did the normal amount of sets just claimed to only count the last one.

With that said DOZ was one of the best ever.

He had to warm up. I don't get what you are saying. He did one work set. His warm ups were warm up sets that were no where near taxing. Now one can take 410lbs for inclines without a warm up sets. Many exercises he didn't use any warm up.

[pellius]

you cant by definition give 110% 100% is the maximum.

And other competitors did train harder, they pushed sets passed failure, they did drop sets super sets giant sets, all far more taxing than 1 set to failure.

HaHa. So true. Once you say 110% then you've just completely redefined the term and standard. Then I can just say, "Oh yeah, well, I gave a 120%!"

If I fill a glass with water until the very top. Anything more, it would spill over. The glass is a 100% full. There is no 110%.

Dorain said on the Joe Rogan show that he KNEW that he trained harder than everybody else because it just wasn't possible to train any harder. Really? Look at anyone of the "work" sets he does in his "Blood and Guts" video. Can anyone tell me with a straight face that it literally would have been impossible to do one more forced rep? Some partials? A drop set? Some rest pause reps? From what I've seen, I think I can do a Dorain type workout as I always do forced reps and negatives. The only difference is that I when I do a pre-exhaust set it's one right after another with no rest. So it's pullovers then right to the Hammer underhand pulldown. From what I've seen, I don't think I'd survive the leg workout posted that showed Milos put one of his clients through. Although I move pretty fast: leg extension, leg press, bodyweight squats all without a break A "tri-set" I guess it would be called. But I know my limits and I would be physically incapable, probably pass out halfway through, what Milos put that guy through.

If anybody still has that Milos clip please post it so one can compare that to Dorian's leg routine and determine who trains harder.

[pellius]

His 1 all out set is bullshit.he did 2-3 sets prior to this “working set” so he did the normal amount of sets just claimed to only count the last one.

With that said DOZ was one of the best ever.

"For quads, um, we're going to do three exercises: leg extensions, leg press and machine hack squats."

"And how many sets per exercise?"

"Ah, ahem, we're going to do, the first exercise we're going to do 3 sets. So we are going to do a light set to get the movement, get everything, get the blood in there. A medium set, to further, you know, get the body and the mind ready. Then the last set is going to be like... like somebody's got a gun to your little baby's head. Yeah. And he's going to pull the trigger unless you fucking give 100%. Life and death. One set. One "

-- Dorian Yates to Brian Rose, CEO and President of London Real, just before a leg workout.

[SGT BARNES]

He outworked everyone else on weinbergers dick

[galain]

I've never once heard him ever talk about his midsection routine. Does anyone know if this was also a 'one set to failure' type of thing? Which exercises did he prefer to do?

[pellius]

I've never once heard him ever talk about his midsection routine. Does anyone know if this was also a 'one set to failure' type of thing? Which exercises did he prefer to do?

You know, I might be wrong on this but I'm pretty sure I remember him saying that he didn't do any ab exercises at all. Exercise is to build muscle and he didn't want a bigger midsection. Maybe just crunches. I'm going to have to research it to be sure.

[FitnessFrenzy]

Dorian was very strict to make an ongoing training and food log (plan). How many of the top pros did that?

[_bruce_]

Dorian was very strict to make an ongoing training and food log (plan). How many of the top pros did that?

They had better genes and were lazier thus all their "logs" were deployed in the toilet.

[joswift]

"For quads, um, we're going to do three exercises: leg extensions, leg press and machine hack squats."

"And how many sets per exercise?"

"Ah, ahem, we're going to do, the first exercise we're going to do 3 sets. So we are going to do a light set to get the movement, get everything, get the blood in there. A medium set, to further, you know, get the body and the mind ready. Then the last set is going to be like... like somebody's got a gun to your little baby's head. Yeah. And he's going to pull the trigger unless you fucking give 100%. Life and death. One set. One "

-- Dorian Yates to Brian Rose, CEO and President of London Real, just before a leg workout.

anyone can do a set like that..