Author Topic: Did Dorian Yates out work everyone?  (Read 25780 times)

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Re: Did Dorian out work everyone?
« Reply #125 on: April 18, 2023, 07:02:45 PM »
Everyone trains with some level of intensity.
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Re: Did Dorian out work everyone?
« Reply #126 on: April 18, 2023, 07:08:39 PM »
I think he out smarted everybody, he thought about bodybuilding logically, in terms of actual work, all the other guys it was monkey see monkey do, lots of cardio/lots of training, not taking rest days, not taking the off-season seriously and meticulously. The other dudes were actually working more, but that doesn't yeld more results. Dorian was able to realize this and capitalize on it. He didn't listen to gurus/coaches, he studied pharmacology, nutrition, training...tested various theories and approaches and found through his own analysis what worked best for him. He worked smarter, not harder.
Yes, also Yates developed insane legs and back, the rest of his physique was great too but he had an enormous amount of mass in those 2 body parts, plus he came in dry, shredded, the combination was insane, I feel Dorian was literally as massive as Markus Ruhl, but just came in dryer than Markus, although Dorian never had the arm size of Markus though (Markus reached 24'' I think, Dorian 22'')

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Re: Did Dorian out work everyone?
« Reply #127 on: April 18, 2023, 08:20:51 PM »
He is better than all of them, and looked nothing like them.
Right. What a ridiculous post

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Re: Did Dorian out work everyone?
« Reply #128 on: April 18, 2023, 09:02:24 PM »
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Re: Did Dorian out work everyone?
« Reply #129 on: April 18, 2023, 10:24:29 PM »


How about I post a pic and you post a pic and we can compare  :D

You refused last time I asked, why is that?


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Re: Did Dorian out work everyone?
« Reply #130 on: April 18, 2023, 11:16:44 PM »

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Re: Did Dorian out work everyone?
« Reply #131 on: April 19, 2023, 12:00:10 AM »

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Re: Did Dorian out work everyone?
« Reply #132 on: April 19, 2023, 02:13:28 AM »


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Re: Did Dorian out work everyone?
« Reply #133 on: July 20, 2023, 12:03:12 PM »
Yates training was nothing radical. It was just pyramid sets with some assisted reps at the end of the last set. No forced reps. No real negatives. No drop sets. No rest pause. He just worked up to a top set. Most pro's have done that in their training at times.

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Re: Did Dorian out work everyone?
« Reply #134 on: July 20, 2023, 12:22:28 PM »
Yates training was nothing radical. It was just pyramid sets with some assisted reps at the end of the last set. No forced reps. No real negatives. No drop sets. No rest pause. He just worked up to a top set. Most pro's have done that in their training at times.

Dorian trains other people way harder than he trained,



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Re: Did Dorian out work everyone?
« Reply #135 on: July 20, 2023, 12:27:14 PM »
Yates training was nothing radical. It was just pyramid sets with some assisted reps at the end of the last set. No forced reps. No real negatives. No drop sets. No rest pause. He just worked up to a top set. Most pro's have done that in their training at times.

This must be the Rapture or something, because here I am *agreeing* with RMJ!

:)  LOL.

Yates did do some forced reps (you called them "assisted") in his training tape, but I agree with you:  his intensity on a set per set, workout by workout basis wasn't like he was doing anything crazy a'la Plata.

Where I might respectfully differ with you and Jeff is that I think the notion that Yates "outworked his competitors" was probably true.  Maybe not Ray...he trained very hard.  But Levrone?  Taking off many months at a time might be smart but if you're playing in your band, routinely getting smashed and not training for 3-4 months out of the year?  Sorry:  Doz wasn't taking breaks.  He wasn't going out and swimming in vodka.

Wheeler?  LOL.  He and Dillet were known for being pussy trainers.

Who does that leave?  Nasser?  We've seen his training footage.  Back day:  ooh, 585 rack deads high above the knee!  Our own Fortress trained with Nasser and, I quote, Rob "...marvelled at Nasser struggling with 315" on incline barbell presses.

It was the consistency of effort Dorian applied that cemented him as a guy who "outworked" his competition. 

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Re: Did Dorian out work everyone?
« Reply #136 on: July 23, 2023, 08:08:18 AM »
Dorian trains other people way harder than he trained,



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Yep, Yates is letting these guys go too hard on their sets, they're going too heavy on some exercises where they are just grinding. The stress is going onto the joints and tendons snd not fully on the muscle. If they keep training like that an injury is bound to occur.

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Re: Did Dorian out work everyone?
« Reply #137 on: July 23, 2023, 08:11:52 AM »
Yep, Yates is letting these guys go too hard on their sets, they're going too heavy on some exercises where they are just grinding. The stress is going onto the joints and tendons snd not fully on the muscle. If they keep training like that an injury is bound to occur.
he mustnt like seeing people with a tendon attached to both ends of a muscle.

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Re: Did Dorian out work everyone?
« Reply #138 on: July 23, 2023, 08:13:15 AM »
This must be the Rapture or something, because here I am *agreeing* with RMJ!

:)  LOL.

Yates did do some forced reps (you called them "assisted") in his training tape, but I agree with you:  his intensity on a set per set, workout by workout basis wasn't like he was doing anything crazy a'la Plata.

Where I might respectfully differ with you and Jeff is that I think the notion that Yates "outworked his competitors" was probably true.  Maybe not Ray...he trained very hard.  But Levrone?  Taking off many months at a time might be smart but if you're playing in your band, routinely getting smashed and not training for 3-4 months out of the year?  Sorry:  Doz wasn't taking breaks.  He wasn't going out and swimming in vodka.

Wheeler?  LOL.  He and Dillet were known for being pussy trainers.

Who does that leave?  Nasser?  We've seen his training footage.  Back day:  ooh, 585 rack deads high above the knee!  Our own Fortress trained with Nasser and, I quote, Rob "...marvelled at Nasser struggling with 315" on incline barbell presses.

It was the consistency of effort Dorian applied that cemented him as a guy who "outworked" his competition.

I don't believe Levrone did not work out at all in those 5 months. He was seen in the gym at times in his offseason but wasn't training as hard as he would for a contest. He did the same push, pull, legs split but only did 2 exercises per bodypart for r or 5 sets each. More of a maintence routine.

As for Yates, he did more volume in the offseason so it was the opposite of Levrone. He'd do a warm up set, then a prep set, a top set, a back off set followed by a drop set. So 4 to 5 sets per exercise in the offseadon. When contest came Yates switch to his blood and guts training with Leeroy.

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Re: Did Dorian out work everyone?
« Reply #139 on: July 23, 2023, 08:15:03 AM »
I don't believe Levrone did not work out at all in those 5 months. He was seen in the gym at times in his offseason but wasn't training as hard as he would for a contest. He did the same push, pull, legs split but only did 2 exercises per bodypart for r or 5 sets each. More of a maintence routine.

As for Yates, he did more volume in the offseason so it was the opposite of Levrone. He'd do a warm up set, then a prep set, a top set, a back off set followed by a drop set. So 4 to 5 sets per exercise in the offseadon. When contest csme Yates switch to his blood and guts trainjng with Leeroy.

and as such shortned his career
Pushing balls to the wall when in a deficit isnt going to be that beneficial

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Re: Did Dorian out work everyone?
« Reply #140 on: July 23, 2023, 08:16:05 AM »
Dorian trains other people way harder than he trained,



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Did you train with him?

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Re: Did Dorian out work everyone?
« Reply #141 on: July 23, 2023, 08:17:51 AM »
Did you train with him?
No

I train by myself

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Re: Did Dorian out work everyone?
« Reply #142 on: July 23, 2023, 08:19:10 AM »
No

I train by myself
Think outside the Box bro  ::)

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Re: Did Dorian out work everyone?
« Reply #143 on: July 23, 2023, 08:20:11 AM »
Think outside the Box bro  ::)

That is outside the box
Most people train with someone

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Re: Did Dorian out work everyone?
« Reply #144 on: July 23, 2023, 08:21:48 AM »
That is outside the box
Most people train with someone
Your Guru is dead

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Re: Did Dorian out work everyone?
« Reply #145 on: July 23, 2023, 08:22:53 AM »
Your Guru is dead
I learned enough before he passed.

Muscles pull in a straight line
therein lies the key to atrophy.

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Re: Did Dorian out work everyone?
« Reply #146 on: July 23, 2023, 08:32:11 AM »
I learned enough before he passed.

Muscles pull in a straight line
therein lies the key to atrophy.
you have short-muscle belly syndrome

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Re: Did Dorian out work everyone?
« Reply #147 on: July 23, 2023, 08:33:01 AM »
you have short-muscle belly syndrome
Im 5'10  ;D

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Re: Did Dorian out work everyone?
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Re: Did Dorian out work everyone?
« Reply #149 on: July 23, 2023, 08:57:34 AM »
Dorian was frank in his autobiography, mentioning his naturally high workout capacity. He was naturally strong and highly conditioned. If you are built that way naturally and juice to the gills, it is difficult for others to surpass your level of work.

I had seen a documentary on Rocky Marciano, who worked maniacally all year round. His success was significantly due to his obsessiveness and extreme competitiveness, but he was also built to last. You can't run 10-15 miles in heavy boots all year round, and regularly punch 300-pound heavy bags without destroying your tendons, unless you are built that way.

Most of the iconic Iron Age champions seem to have been blessed with a robust constitution. Those who weren't built to withstand such intense pressures and high workloads often ended up burning out.

Reg Park was another exceptional individual. He could eat 3-pound steaks without hardly chewing and was capable of working out with heavy weights even well into his 40s.

Genetics isn't a magical muscle structure that blow with some pills, it plays a significant role in an individual's capacity to work hard, take Arnold, he was relatively strong but his extreme aerobic capacity was the key for his superb conditioning, not many did 50 sets squats in their teens.
It is hard to say, whether he succeed because he worked hard, or he was built in a way to withstand such sick routine, this is common factor on other sports as well.