Got cleared to go back to normal training again

[Bevo]

Coach,

Don't listen to these pussies.

Now that the docs cleared you get back in there and push your body to its limit and beyond.

Life is short so why not make it shorter.

Red line it, baby!

Live by the thong, die by the thong

[OneMoreRep]

Coach, did you consider astragalus as a kidney supplement? Not saying it's a panacea but it's interesting how it seems to help kidney markers in juicers.

Come on, man. There's no walking away from steroids completely, at least HRT is a must for old juiceheads. Most would rather die than go clean, just the way it is. Competing and maintaining natural? There is no maintaining off everything and absolutely no competing, unless you want to weigh 50lbs less with 10lbs more fat.

If you mean by way of them shutting down their pituitary glands to the point of needing some testosterone to counteract the excessive amounts of estrogen that will be produced leading to psychological and physical abnormalities, sure, I guess I can see what you mean by the idea of juiceheads being incapable of turning back from steroids completely.

Losing muscle mass and carrying a thin layer of fat isn't great, but it's good enough to have while staying healthy well into your 50s. The guy looks good enough if he just keeps lower body fat levels, why not adapt to that look?

Either way, nothing but respect for a guy like Coach for still getting serious and dieting down to shredded levels.

"1"

[D.O.A.]

Meaning, I can finally go back to training more often (back to a regular schedule) with the same intensity and weight as before. I can start upping my protein a little (like 200gr max for now) eGFR is up, Creatnine levels are within high-normal range, BUN is about normal and BP is stable and normal (average is like 130/68-71). Albumin is high but not alarming (still leaking protein).

We’ll see if I stupid enough to give this one more go next year

just ask yourself, what would President Trump do?

anyway, great news!

[Van_Bilderass]

If you mean by way of them shutting down their pituitary glands to the point of needing some testosterone to counteract the excessive amounts of estrogen that will be produced leading to psychological and physical abnormalities, sure, I guess I can see what you mean by the idea of juiceheads being incapable of turning back from steroids completely.

Losing muscle mass and carrying a thin layer of fat isn't great, but it's good enough to have while staying healthy well into your 50s. The guy looks good enough if he just keeps lower body fat levels, why not adapt to that look?

Either way, nothing but respect for a guy like Coach for still getting serious and dieting down to shredded levels.

"1"

Simply put, death is preferable to accepting a life with zero testosterone, which is essentially what would happen. 99% of long time juicers make this call even if they risk death if continuing with any amount of steroids. It's not just losing muscle and putting on fat, some would accept even this, but test is like the life force, without it you aren't a man. A few might be able to adapt to this state but it would be like changing religions I guess.

A small technical detail: going off steroids crashes your estrogen as well since basically all estrogen in males comes from conversion from testosterone. Estrogen is very important for males too, both psychologically and physically e.g. important for the cardiovascular system.

[Bevo]

Simply put, death is preferable to accepting a life with zero testosterone, which is essentially what would happen. 99% of long time juicers make this call even if they risk death if continuing with any amount of steroids. It's not just losing muscle and putting on fat, some would accept even this, but test is like the life force, without it you aren't a man. A few might be able to adapt to this state but it would be like changing religions I guess.

A small technical detail: going off steroids crashes your estrogen as well since basically all estrogen in males comes from conversion from testosterone. Estrogen is very important for males too, both psychologically and physically e.g. important for the cardiovascular system.

Looking at Shawn Ray these days I believe he’s completely off and enjoying life, he stated he’s not even on TRT, he’s 55 years old

[Straw Man]

Meaning, I can finally go back to training more often (back to a regular schedule) with the same intensity and weight as before. I can start upping my protein a little (like 200gr max for now) eGFR is up, Creatnine levels are within high-normal range, BUN is about normal and BP is stable and normal (average is like 130/68-71). Albumin is high but not alarming (still leaking protein).

We’ll see if I stupid enough to give this one more go next year

of course you're stupid enough

just that statement alone is proof that you're dumber than a box of rocks

[US MUSL]

Risk vs reward?

[Danny-Boy]

Risk vs reward?

CONSIDER THIS !

1 -2 more years of riding into the sunset (abusing your renal system to no longer being able to function properly) =

Dramatic shift to endless dark days.. and here are the consequences just to name a FEW..I HIGHLY DOUBT ANY OF YOU WOULD THINK IT'S WORTH IT ONCE YOU HAVE GONE PAST THE POINT OF NO RETURN and have to wake up every day feeling like this:

Kidney Failure:
* No longer able to filtrate electrolytes properly such as sodium, potassium, etc. = rebound effect of HIGH levels angiotensin production = bad bad days of severe water retention.. uncontrollable hypertension/BP (anti-hypertensive medication may no longer be effective at this point when kidneys are shutdown). THUS -->   Impending CARDIOVASCULAR doom! more strain on your heart

* Now dialysis dependent! = Extremely weaker immune system--opportunistic infections that normally won't do shit to you will now have a better shot at taking you out....  quality of life- you will live at a Dialysis center practically for hours on end!!  seeing the look on patients' faces is really depressing... 

* Kidneys are also a key component of EPO production.. yeah not anymore.. so Red blood cell production out of whack..and I cannot tell you the complications of uncontrolled blood production...

This is not a lifestyle that is worth the risk when you have already been warned.. many physicians do not have a clear picture of the true abuse a patient is putting their body's through.. and I'll be honest.. yes, steroids play a key factor.. BUT the lifestyle of breaking down consistent excessive pounds of red meat/protein to the extreme levels of retaining a certain level of lean body mass..  a younger person with fully functioning kidneys would be fine  .. but once you went down south with it's functioning (medical history of declining renal function)...   really consider changing diet plans..  a physician will give green light to encourage brighter insight for the patient.. but as a physician..I will be brutally honest... I know the lifestyle is probably the most difficult piece of you to change.. but the timing of change IS the key to ensuring longevity..   going balls to walls will shut your body back down in NO TIME... the consequences are NOT worth it if you have family, loved ones, etc. that would like to see you around being able to walk on your own two feet without feeling sick 24-7     

[French]

larger than Phil..

In 3-4 years, you will have the size of Tom Prince + medical bills for the end of your life. Smart decision.

you are a warrior, you are an american, so push all beyond the limits

there is no american dream, time to grow up, man

best

[Howard]

CONSIDER THIS !

1 -2 more years of riding into the sunset (abusing your renal system to no longer being able to function properly) =

Dramatic shift to endless dark days.. and here are the consequences just to name a FEW..I HIGHLY DOUBT ANY OF YOU WOULD THINK IT'S WORTH IT ONCE YOU HAVE GONE PAST THE POINT OF NO RETURN and have to wake up every day feeling like this:

Kidney Failure:
* No longer able to filtrate electrolytes properly such as sodium, potassium, etc. = rebound effect of HIGH levels angiotensin production = bad bad days of severe water retention.. uncontrollable hypertension/BP (anti-hypertensive medication may no longer be effective at this point when kidneys are shutdown). THUS -->   Impending CARDIOVASCULAR doom! more strain on your heart

* Now dialysis dependent! = Extremely weaker immune system--opportunistic infections that normally won't do shit to you will now have a better shot at taking you out....  quality of life- you will live at a Dialysis center practically for hours on end!!  seeing the look on patients' faces is really depressing... 

* Kidneys are also a key component of EPO production.. yeah not anymore.. so Red blood cell production out of whack..and I cannot tell you the complications of uncontrolled blood production...

This is not a lifestyle that is worth the risk when you have already been warned.. many physicians do not have a clear picture of the true abuse a patient is putting their body's through.. and I'll be honest.. yes, steroids play a key factor.. BUT the lifestyle of breaking down consistent excessive pounds of red meat/protein to the extreme levels of retaining a certain level of lean body mass..  a younger person with fully functioning kidneys would be fine  .. but once you went down south with it's functioning (medical history of declining renal function)...   really consider changing diet plans..  a physician will give green light to encourage brighter insight for the patient.. but as a physician..I will be brutally honest... I know the lifestyle is probably the most difficult piece of you to change.. but the timing of change IS the key to ensuring longevity..   going balls to walls will shut your body back down in NO TIME... the consequences are NOT worth it if you have family, loved ones, etc. that would like to see you around being able to walk on your own two feet without feeling sick 24-7     

THIS x 100 !

[joswift]

CONSIDER THIS !

1 -2 more years of riding into the sunset (abusing your renal system to no longer being able to function properly) =

Dramatic shift to endless dark days.. and here are the consequences just to name a FEW..I HIGHLY DOUBT ANY OF YOU WOULD THINK IT'S WORTH IT ONCE YOU HAVE GONE PAST THE POINT OF NO RETURN and have to wake up every day feeling like this:

Kidney Failure:
* No longer able to filtrate electrolytes properly such as sodium, potassium, etc. = rebound effect of HIGH levels angiotensin production = bad bad days of severe water retention.. uncontrollable hypertension/BP (anti-hypertensive medication may no longer be effective at this point when kidneys are shutdown). THUS -->   Impending CARDIOVASCULAR doom! more strain on your heart

* Now dialysis dependent! = Extremely weaker immune system--opportunistic infections that normally won't do shit to you will now have a better shot at taking you out....  quality of life- you will live at a Dialysis center practically for hours on end!!  seeing the look on patients' faces is really depressing... 

* Kidneys are also a key component of EPO production.. yeah not anymore.. so Red blood cell production out of whack..and I cannot tell you the complications of uncontrolled blood production...

This is not a lifestyle that is worth the risk when you have already been warned.. many physicians do not have a clear picture of the true abuse a patient is putting their body's through.. and I'll be honest.. yes, steroids play a key factor.. BUT the lifestyle of breaking down consistent excessive pounds of red meat/protein to the extreme levels of retaining a certain level of lean body mass..  a younger person with fully functioning kidneys would be fine  .. but once you went down south with it's functioning (medical history of declining renal function)...   really consider changing diet plans..  a physician will give green light to encourage brighter insight for the patient.. but as a physician..I will be brutally honest... I know the lifestyle is probably the most difficult piece of you to change.. but the timing of change IS the key to ensuring longevity..   going balls to walls will shut your body back down in NO TIME... the consequences are NOT worth it if you have family, loved ones, etc. that would like to see you around being able to walk on your own two feet without feeling sick 24-7     

or stop doing the things he loves and living an extra 20 years 10 of them spent in a nursing home getting slapped about by some shit head nurse, left lying in his own shit because he cant get out of bed, never seeing anyone because no one gives a fuck about elderly relatives after a few months of them being in a care home

Doing drugs may knock ten years off your life, but one things for certain, they are the worst ten

[Primemuscle]

Meaning, I can finally go back to training more often (back to a regular schedule) with the same intensity and weight as before. I can start upping my protein a little (like 200gr max for now) eGFR is up, Creatnine levels are within high-normal range, BUN is about normal and BP is stable and normal (average is like 130/68-71). Albumin is high but not alarming (still leaking protein).

We’ll see if Itstupid enough to give this one more go next year

I was not aware you were on a restricted regime. Glad to read that you are good to go now and that you've apparently been following your doctor's recommendations. Smart man. Looking good in that photo as well. Enjoy your 60's (28). Before you know it, you will be 76 like me.....well not exactly, since you'll undoubtedly be in better physical condition, from a bodybuilding standpoint, than I am.

[tom joad]

[Conservative Coach]

Brain is gone, kidneys close behind.

[OneMoreRep]

Ultimately, it doesn't matter what any one of us has to say.

Joe will pick his own destiny. His wife and children will certainly have an impact on the amount of risk he is willing to take in the name of competition. He knows there's nothing left to prove, but certainly years of his life to literally leave on the stage.

"1"

[Bevo]

or stop doing the things he loves and living an extra 20 years 10 of them spent in a nursing home getting slapped about by some shit head nurse, left lying in his own shit because he cant get out of bed, never seeing anyone because no one gives a fuck about elderly relatives after a few months of them being in a care home

Doing drugs may knock ten years off your life, but one things for certain, they are the worst ten

So keep doing the things he loves but don’t give a fuck about his wife, kids, when health issues and medical bills start piling up. Good mindset

No one said give up on working out or living a healthy lifestyle, but if you already have health issues and approaching 60, it makes more sense to really think it through and revaluate your priorities

But I get it, live by the thong, die by the thong

[Primemuscle]

Although creatinine numbers will be higher in individuals partaking in more than average exercise/weight training,  one cannot dismiss the higher # of creatinine, BUN, with simultaneous drop in GFR. (especially if there are symptomatic issues signaling drop in renal function)  Very high correlation to Renal function!!!  BUN will self regulate over time--just your body's way of maintaining proper pH levels.
  It is great news to hear that your renal GFR is getting better...  Just always remember the functioning of your kidneys far outweighs the potential musculature achieved through excessive amounts of byproducts that your kidney needs to filtrate at this point...  Once your renal system goes down... everything else follows-- liver...cardiovascular.. .etc.  Thus leading to more systemic complications... This is ALWAYS the same story..    Although it sucks to be extra cautious, it is good news that you have the ability to now see it from this perspective and can make adjustments..  but that is up to you brother...  keep your head up

It is amazing how little protein the body needs to be healthy. The idea that 1 gm of protein for each pound of body-weight is the ideal amount is wrong. Also, vegetable based protein is good protein too. 

[joswift]

It is amazing how little protein the body needs to be healthy. The idea that 1 gm of protein for each pound of body-weight is the ideal amount is wrong. Also, vegetable based protein is good protein too.

that was made up by Weiders to sell fart powder, its easier to drink your protein than eat it.

[kreator]

It is amazing how little protein the body needs to be healthy. The idea that 1 gm of protein for each pound of body-weight is the ideal amount is wrong. Also, vegetable based protein is good protein too.

Complete nonsense.

[CalvinH]

Ultimately, it doesn't matter what any one of us has to say.

Joe will pick his own destiny. His wife and children will certainly have an impact on the amount of risk he is willing to take in the name of competition. He knows there's nothing left to prove, but certainly years of his life to literally leave on the stage.

"1"

Maybe his wife will put his Roids on the top shelf so he can’t reach them

[OneMoreRep]

Maybe his wife will put his Roids on the top shelf so he can’t reach them

She's a Getbigger, I wouldn't be surprised if she had a touch of troll in her heart.

"1"

[irishdave]

Joe, it’s time to take the foot off the gas pedal. You have to stop living this lie. Trying to make up for your short stature and tiny penis all of your life but think of your family. Joe, you are an intelligent and learned man and you can make up for your diminutive height not by building fake muscles but by using your brain and charm. Hang up the thong, Joe.

[oldschoolfan]

Joe, it’s time to take the foot off the gas pedal. You have to stop living this lie. Trying to make up for your short stature and tiny penis all of your life but think of your family. Joe, you are an intelligent and learned man and you can make up for your diminutive height not by building fake muscles but by using your brain and charm. Hang up the thong, Joe.

irish coach is nothing but a self absorded  attention whore, he creates more topics about himself than anyone on getbig. constantly posts old pics of himself, coach would have a hard time out smarting a rock.

 

[Hypertrophy]

irish coach is nothing but a self absorded  attention whore, he creates more topics about himself than anyone on getbig. constantly posts old pics of himself, coach would have a hard time out smarting a rock.

Why the hate dude? He's a body builder posting on a body building site. You have some deep seated issues, just like strawman.

[oldschoolfan]

Why the hate dude? He's a body builder posting on a body building site. You have some deep seated issues, just like strawman.

Just pointing out a self absorbed asshole who needs attention all the time 58 and killing himself for a

5 dollar plastic trophy that is a rocket scientist for you.

Coach is so desperate for attention he had to start a thread on his used f-150 that’s pathetic no one

Gives a fuck about a f-150. The three cars sitting in walter whites garage are worth more than coach

Is. You don’t see him on here every day starting topics about himself